Phoenix VS Raven (Marvel VS DC) | DEATH BATTLE! ► https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjc1FhpLLrY
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0:00 Introduction
4:45 Reaction (Analyses)
18:42 Prediction
31:47 Reaction (Battle + Conclusion)
37:37 Post-reaction discussion
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VS Battle Wiki tends to be…questionable at the best of times. Their Tier system is quite flawed in itself, they have far too hard-set of rules that means certain universes get completely shafted, and you'll constantly (and I mean CONSTANTLY) find scaling through circular reasoning. Character 1 is City Level because they scale to Character 2, and then you click on Character 2 and find that they're City Level because they scale to Character 1, with no feats between either of them. Or Character 1 defeating someone who defeated a stronger version of Character 1, therefore putting Character 1 base at the same level as their stronger version. It's a big, hot mess.
Which is an absolute shame, because the community is lovely. They really try hard to be professional in their debates, scalings, and feats, and the moderators who determine what feats do and dont make it mostly tend to be highly dedicated and well-meaning. It's just that the intention of the website is far too big a task for the community, leading to ten thousand cracks in every page and statblock.
Basically, don't rely on VS Battle Wiki, but do accept their community. Mostly.
I KNEW you would have such a thumbnail.😂😂
Good lord, Ris.😂
That shit called death battle is the worst brainless and delusional fanboi thing I've ever seen in my whole life 🤦
To the extend that they say that raven can lay a single finger to Phoenix 😂😂🤣🤣
She even come back home and leave in Creation which is Phoenix. 🤣
From the Death Battle cast, they were talking more about Guts vs Clare (she’s from Claymore) than Guts vs Dimitri, but I guess this was confirmed for the next fight. I think I had a hunch that Guts is winning cuz he fought stronger opponent in the anime, including Nightmare from the Soul Calibur series. I’m going to feel heart broken if Dimitri loses and he is the first Fire Emblem character in years. 🥲
You are correct I go to vs wiki but it's hella confusing to me with the 4-b stuff,I just use it to maybe learn more about a character or see match ups the community has put.
I like to think that robo ris transformerd into a virus & took over DB hosts.
Hahahaha robo ris virus Dark phoenix sounds hilarious.
We can agree that a Raven looks more cool then the Phonenix.
Which super bird in your thumbnail would you like to have as a pet?
EDIT:Okay finished video now,oh sweet gonna get more gameplay Ris.
From the people I've talked to that are comic fans of both characters Phoenix should have stomped and they flat out lied about certain feats
Okay I searched up the comic panel for Fate helmet moving the velocity of god & it actually answers the reader regarding what that even means
"WHAT'S THAT, YOU ASK? IT'S THE SPEED AT WHICH THE UNIVERSE CONTEMPLATES ITSELF."
Yeah doesn't make any more sense, probably even more confusing.
About Dimitri, He is actually one of the fan favorites and from Three Houses, the most popular game in the series, thought i could clear stuff up rq
It's kinda surreal hearing the voices without the music. Like… this is what it sounds like in-universe.
Ya can't rely on those vs scaling sites, Ris.
Dang, if I had to say anything this is one of the longest reactions that I have seen from you but yeah this was a nail biter but yeah this one was a pretty big one but I have to wonder on why did they pit Raven against Twilight Sparkle again, but that is a question for another day.
Next time, so three returning combatants in a row since Guts last fought against Nightmare from Soulcalibur but like you, I was surprised that Dimitri is the first rep from Fire Emblem since I was expecting our first FE rep to be someone who was already in Smash Bros as a playable character but hey, Dimitri is a good surprise since we just only need to look at Three Houses and I guess Three Hopes since those are the two Fire Emblem games that Dimitri is from.
Hate to break it to you but VSBW is pretty well known for being really poorly researched, especially for DC characters.
Love you too Ris ❤
18:29 the turmoil in your voice 😹
21:15 you predicted the reason for the winner right here gg
Great reaction and I love your thumbnails
VS wiki is highly unrelatable for anything comics, a side with anti bias for it.
Why do you mute the track’s music during the fight, but not during the post-fight analysis?
VS Battle is good for getting a bunch of information in one place, but ranking/scaling isn’t trustworthy since they usually like making mismatch matches and have different rules from Death Battle (this includes the info needing to be cross referenced, since some info wouldn’t be used in DB due to a conflict with a rule.) As for next time, Dimitri is both a fan favorite and similar to Guts in a lot of ways (he was also in Smash, but as a color alt, Spirit, and in the background of the Three Houses map.) It depends on what DB will scale/give for Dimitri (the creators of FE consider Engage and Heroes as mainline games, contrary to how many fans believe and can get pretty crazy), because he appears in Three Houses, Three Hopes, Heroes, and Engage and in a couple Death Battle Casts, they gave FE characters light speed reactions (Edelgard was one of those and Dimitri is a rival to her) due to Light Magic dodging in FE.
Where is the music??
BIRBS
Aw yay <3 I'm more than happy to support!
Dang, nice analysis and guess!
Guts, interesting.
Not the spicy room
You had to throw out gaming stuff??
Omg
Yay, Final Fantasy!
Love you, too! <3
As someone who collects comics of both Jean had no chance
White Raven is actually something the cartoon invented, not a "real" thing, at least comics wise. Wouldn't surprise me if it was inspired by the White Phoenix of the Crown though, funnily enough. The state Raven ended the fight in was with the Rings of Azar mentioned in the analysis, which they said bonded the spirits of the other Azarathians to her Soul Self bird, which for reasons beyond me was what let her defeat Trigon the first time, before later doing it on her own
"Only one planet though", that's a yikes
Vs wiki is trash and incredibly inaccurate when it comes to scaling how powerful certain characters are. Putting Raven at solar system level is a great example of that as Raven is powerful enough to casually destroy a universe and destroy all of creation. Also post and pre flashpoint and post crisis and pre crisis don't matter anymore since after Convergence and Death metal all of that was undone and everything is canon. Creation would usually refer to all of DC itself, which would include the entirety of the multiverse(now an omniverse) and the sphere of the gods, an archetypal outerversal realm.
I have just one word:
C-caw!!!
Bird is the word!
Ris: I checked the Versus Wiki and. . . . . . .
Also Ris: What the actual heck, Versus Wiki?!?
To be fair to you when you tried doing your research also, on top of the question ability of the s battle wiki, Death Battle does get some context wrong. For instance, the Spectre fight was where he was weakened and Raven had help. On Phoenixes end, they use the “Big Green Cat” as an example of the Phoenix being overpowered. The issue with that is that it wasn’t overpowered. It was stalemated and that “Big Green Cat” is supposed to be its opposite counterpart. Not to mention we literally heard them admit Jean had soul manipulation and resistance, but do not reference it in the analysis for how Raven wins.
TL;DR you got their conclusion without much help and it’s commendable.