36 thoughts on “Let's Discuss Wheel of Time Season 2 (non reader thoughts)”
And the problem about the seanchan Collars is, that now they are wearing them over their clothes, where in the books, they CANNOT take the collar off. NEVER. So they have to dress with the collar on and all, just the wristband from the Sul'dam will betaken off, but in the show, they wear their dresses below the collar with their arms through it, so how do they change dresses without setting them free every time?
Dude. Dont start the book. It's……………………… unrecognisable. It IS a better TV show. As an adaptation, it is, offensive at best. Take that as you will lol.
my problem with the dialogue between, morianne and lan, is that they're not acknowledging Lans loss of the warder bond, a warder who looses his aes sedai tend to go to the blight on a mission to destroy as many shadowspawn as possible till they die, now morianne isn't dead but their bond is severed and they're just acknowledging that a thing that's been part of their lives for 20 years. They made matt a coward who runs away from things and needs a woman to lead him 😐 taking away his reluctant hero path. Each Ajah has a different outlook on life, Red are after men who can channel for breaking the world they train to aprehend such channellers they believe they are dangerous and need to be stopped. Green are the Battle Ajah they prepare for the Last Battle, as such they train for battle and in battle they need a warder or more to protect them whilst they're drawing on the power which is why they generally have at least 1 warder sometimes upto 3 or 4 of them. They are known for marrying their warders if they choose just one, and generally speaking all greens have a warder unless something happens to their warder. Including them dying from old age, which is 1 thing the bond breaking affects the warders far more than it effects the Aes Sedia and ends out with warders going off into the blight to fight the shadowspawn till they die. Blues are more the spies and politicians of the Ajahs they get more information from the world. you met Eladia in Book 1 as she's Queen Morgasse's Aes Sedai Advisor, who has a prophecy apon meeting Rand during the Elayne scenes. Modern Aes sedai live to about 350 years whom are in the tower there are some exceptions who live longer, in the past they could live upto about 800 years old dependant on their power, Moriane is about 42 in the books some of the other characters like Verin are 150ish years old that you've met in the show The other thing that is bad with the Seanchan pointing out the channelers is that they all missed Nynayeves ability until she actually channeled in the aes sedai camp The biggest problem with Nyneve and a block in season 2 is that she didn't have it in season 1 she was able to channel every time that she was needed too in season 1, to revive Lan from the dead and heal multiple Aes Sedai in the camp, she was able to beat machinchin in 'the ways' first attempt too, and she was able to channel down a link to destroy a horde of Trollocs, she had no trouble any time she's been needed to channel so where did this block come from ? On Fashion, each region is sposed to be fairly distinct on the clothing styles both with he nobles and the peasantry, ie Rands clothes and speech depicted him as a 2 rivers folk to Eladia despite him looking like an Aiel in physical features so she bough that he was from there to an extent, When Moiraine entered the 2 rivers they all immediately thought she was some noble as even her travelling dress was so fine but in the show she didn't seem to stand out at all as there was so much finery in 2 rivers, they've failed to make each nation seperate enough, the exeption is the faldaran military looks a bit different. Whilst Nyneyeve is stronger than Egwene , it's not 10 times stronger, she's not even double egwenes strength , it is a noticeable difference but not out of the ball park difference
As for the ranks link, there are a couple of discrepincies between the books and the rankings because the books say 1 thing and then the companions guide to WoT says something slightly different
Men can sense when other men 'ARE'channeling and can see other mens weaves they also can see when men are Embracing Saidar, but rand sitting round on a wall doing nothing from the distance he was in the show shouldn't of registered to logain in the slightest. except for his Ta'veren seeing ability which should of included matt as having the glow too
Regarding the age thing, it's weird that they never say to the novices 'Look, I'm three hundred, and it wasn't until I was sixty that I mastered this aspect of magic'. They also don't seem to teach them any lessons at wizard school, which seems weird. There's one bad herbology class. Maybe they should have watched Team America? Gotta have a montage, montage!
Nynaeve’s Accepted test was fairly accurate to the book, from the dialogue to what happened during the 3rd test. The 1st test was changed from the book, but this is a change that I think the show did better.
I have a theory as to Perrin’s wolf vision. I think his mind is seeing what happens based on what he sees and smells. Which is based on how wolfs communicate in the books, but hopefully they explain it, I’m not holding my breath on that one though.
Ishmael was an Avatar of the Dark One in the first book, so this isn’t a change.
think me as a book reader has given up on good adaptation its a better show so far def ! some directions show or not dont agree with but overall i prefer season 2 so far
Ishamael has been released, if the Dark One was released it would be game over and he is lying to Perrin. As a complete book nerd i had some issues with S1, i do think S2 was a lot better and E3 was my favourite. The accepted test was very similar to the books but generally i am ok with changes, it is 4.5 million words and there are 64 hours to tell the story. I also think Lan/Moiraine interaction is the weakest plot, for me Zoe (Nynaeve) is the stand out performance. Thanks for the reaction it is good to hear non-reader views!
Take some of the comments made by others with a pinch of salt. "Nynaeve abhors violence" for example doesn't really ring true considering she falls in love with a martial warrior like Lan and fantasized about doing violence upon Moiraine. She probably abhors violence the way a normal person does but will not shrink from it if necessary or flirt with it in her imagination.
Actually Liandrin just straight up tells Nynaeve she's hundreds of years old in the show (I think in episode 2), but it's in the middle of one of her power mad ramblings when she's trying to convince Nynaeve to be her pupil, that's why it's easy to miss
The oldest known Aes Sedai alive in the books is 293 years old (born in 705 NE, Rand is born in 978 NE, and he's supposed to be 20 at the start of 'The Wheel of Time') and has been reported dead multiple times.
Women can sense saidar in each other, and judge their strength, but men can only sense saidin other men when the other is holding saidin, and can only compare each other's strength when the other is holding all that he can. It's one of the major differences between men and women in the books.
About the "Wolf Brother" Power: A Wolf Brother's nose is supernaturally strong, Perrin can smell changes in emotions and track people and what they've done. The show is trying to convey that by giving Perrin "visions". Honestly, I don't think there's a better way to convey that for now. It's an old magic that's reemerging, not something from the Dark One – but Ishamael, the "Betrayer of Hope" doesn't mind Perrin thinking that a fundamental part of his being is from the Shadow. By undermining his confidence in himself, it makes it easier to corrupt him.
Potential spoilers but alviarin, siuan, moraine, sheriam, liandrin where all accepted together during the battle of the blood snow before the shining walls.
Moraine and siuan where raised first before the other 3. Theya re also all within about 5 years of each other.
Which means in currebt era they are all between roughly 40 and 50.
So the scene with liandrin 80 year old "son" while being a complete destruction of her charqcter also ruins her relative age.
What makes it worse is when you realize that if liandrin is 100 and looks 40 than verin mathwin who looks 90 must be a 1000 years old and there fore experienced the breaking of the world
This is due to the fact that white hair on an aes sedai is incredibly rare.
The reason I refer2nce verin is because she is considered one of the oldest aes sedai
The show ruined the seanchan. They arent out to kill common folk and only require theyvtake the osth than let them go. They are actually very benevolent and fair rulers.
Users of the One Power (like Aes Sedai) live longer lives, somewhat proportionate to their power level. Liandrin has already told us in the TV show that she's much older than she looks (departure from the books where she's in her 30s or maybe early 40s). I think Liandrin was raped as a teenager (my theory, not in the books) before she went to the WT and that explains why she has a son and her opinion about men in general and that the WT doesn't know anything about that. Moiraine is mid-40s in the books. Unknown in the show.
Elayne from Ep 2 S 2 is the princess Rand falls over the wall and meets in Caemlyn. He met Elaida (and Elayne's brother Gawyn and half-brother Galad) after he fell over the wall.
If they're doing what I strongly think they're doing with Liandrin/Min and Mat, they're circling around to the same place that the books get to in S3 (and book 4) and I think it's going to be a better plot when they get there. A lot of the stuff people are criticizing in S2 for not being book accurate, kind of is.
Combining Books 2 & 3 just makes sense. There is the same structure and a lot of the same fights happen 2-3 times. We're not going to get a couple locations that happened in Book 3 (I think they're coming back up in S4 or S5). Book 4 (my favorite) and S3 are going to line up pretty well.
Ep 8 S 1 was a disaster. I think it was because of A) Covid, B) Barney Harris leaving threw the writing into chaos and C) Amazon interference. I see some of the same issues in the writing for WoT S1 as were in Rings of Power and I think that's the studio's fault.
The Seanchan are a relatively "successful fascist" society. They enslave up to 15% of their people and treat them completely subhumanly and terrible. Their military and nobility are insane. But the other 70% if they take their oath to the nobility and stick by it, they give them a lot of freedom to be craftspeople and farmers and merchants, etc… that middle class just has to turn a blind eye to the slavery, which is an evil choice, it's kind of like living in Nazi Germany and just not complaining about a bunch of people being periodically taken off to concentration camps – but at least you can understand why many people would make that immoral choice.
Cairhein culture is a combination of French and Japanese, with more French. Andor is more English. Ghealdan (where Logain is from) is more Latin. Borderlands are more East Asian (more Japanese and Korean than Chinese). When you get to the far west it starts to get more Middle Eastern.
Ok, so they're not messing up the powers the way you guys say. Logain was using Saidin. When they show Taim, he'll use Saidin. Honestly, a lot of the criticisms the show is getting on S2 are from people who haven't read far enough in the books to understand where the show is going.
Look at the guys closer to the Dais in the shot of the Seanchan at Atuan's Mill. Those are the Deathwatch guards. They have helmets that look like a little more sinister, less alien version of the Seanchan helmet you were looking at. The run of the mill soldiers are a rounded version of that, I think that was just cheaper to make a couple hundred helmets like that, particularly if they're for people getting thrown around for stunts.
Ishamael is called "the Father of Lies" for a reason (re: Perrins abilities and Ba'alzamon = Ishamael). Also, they do define Perrins abilities in the book as the wolves communicating to him through images and feelings more than 'words' as such. Super challenging to translate that on screen… I'm ok with how they're handling the visuals. I also believe they might be combining wolfbrother talents with sniffer talents, and Sniffers can 'paint a picture' of what happened in an event via their sense of smell IIRC.
I think that it is important to remember that this series of books/tv show is set 6000 years in OUR future…earth's…and the society at the time of the books has recovered from the Breaking of the World to approximately 1800 AD without guns and cannons. So late Georgian/Jane Austenesque styles being popular in Cairhien is not surprising as this is not supposed to be set in a medieval or even Renaissance setting.
I actually wish they would go back and re-shoot S01-EP08 and fix the blunders and poor cgi. For goodness sake, there was two years between the seasons and S02 was wrapping filming just as EP08 aired. They could've even done it with a separate team while doing post on S02. The problem is now it's kinda set in stone. That episode will be there for all time and it's truly incompetent. How hard would it be to go back and make a "director's cut", so to speak, and fix that episode. I feel like you could fix all of it's errors without breaking, or even improving, it's continuity with the next season.
Literally all you'd need to do is re-shoot the scene where Loial, Ingtar and Uno were killed, by maybe sending in a couple Fades to distract them while Padan Fain makes off with the Horn of Valere. Heck, maybe even explain to the non-book readers what the Horn is and why it's important to go after Fain to get it back. That would be novel!
Then re-shoot the scene where the women burn out. You could still have Amelisa burn out fully, killing herself because it was too much power for her, but the remainder of the women could just drop from exhaustion. And of course, fix the Trolloc CGI and make their army bigger. Oh, and Lord Agelmar shouldn't die either, they could re-shoot that scene by having them overrun by the Trollocs and barely escaping past the channeling women, back into the city. In fact that would heighten the urgency by having them barely get past the women before they unleashed their power!
Every other problem with that episode is trivial and not "show/story breaking". Might be lore and source material breaking, but at least you'd restore the show to something coherent.
I missed your live stream, unfortunately, but I just want to mention that you really need to be careful of what questions you ask, because you're still reading the books. Too many people won't think that the answer might be a spoiler for the books or not because you've asked the question directly. I suggest in the future you speculate about what you're wondering about, but ask before hand if it's a spoiler and for chat to not answer if it will be a spoiler for the books.
Uno, the man who's head was shoved onto the spike by the Seanchan, is a much longer running character in the books, plus he's a major fan favorite. Elayne has a goofy hobby later on and Uno provides much fodder for her. Many, many book fans will be reeling from the death of Uno, I'll guarantee you that!!!!
Just to be clear, because you were discussing it, most Aes Sedai don't live 100s of years. There's only a few rare ones that are that old. This also becomes a major topic later in the books and there's at possibility that the Aes Sedai don't actually live as long as they could. Also, pretty sure Kris Saunders in the chat is wrong, the strongest channelers don't live to 800 or 900 years old. Not sure where they came up with that info.
In the books, the Sul'dam have a wrist band that is connected to a collar on the Damane's neck. Not having the physical leash actually negates an important plot point in the books. Not sure how they'll handle it now, but it sure seems like they like shooting themselves in the foot in this show!
Another correction: Women can see a glow around other women, but only once they hold the Power. If a woman is close enough, another woman can feel that she can use the Power. If a woman holds the Power, another woman can feel how strong she is in the Power. Men get goosebumps when women near them grab the Power, but can't see a glow. Men cannot see a glow around another man, but if a man holds the Power and stands close enough, the other man can sense how powerful he is. When a man channels, the other man can feel it and where it originates.
************** Talking about Nynaeve; She is a strong, obstinate character, both in the show, and in the books, (they actually got that accurate, as you probably know already), but she's like this because she was prematurely raised to Wisdom. The woman she was training under passed away and, giving Nynaeve a chance, instead of sending off to another town for another Wisdom, the Women's Circle made her the Wisdom. However, not all of the Emonds Field people agreed with that decision because she was still awfully young. I'd hazard a guess that she was only about 21 years old, or so, when she became Wisdom. Book Nynaeve is about 25 years old at the time they leave Emonds Field, while the rest of them are around 16 to 18 years old.
Anyway, because she was so young she met major resistance from many of the towns people, and because of her strong sense of duty to fill the roll, and also because of her stubbornness, she had to become strong and obstinate to overcome the villagers dismissiveness of her. She had to bully her way through the villager's stubbornness to get them to cooperate most of the time.
This is one of her core traits and it is prevalent every time she goes up against someone older or of higher authority than her, because she immediately believes she has to bulldoze her way over them in order for them to respect her. It often comes across as immature, but it's the only thing she's done in the past that worked for her, so she accidentally creates conflict with most people, especially Aes Sedai, that she comes in contact with because of this.
I havent read any of it, but season 2 is definitely better than season 1 as a fantasy television show, and I'm glad you could acknowledge that. Obviously season 1 has the show setup to be the next rings of power pisstake by all of youtube. It's still not perfect so theres plenty of scope for that, but it has improved, and so far it was very watchable this season in a way that it wasn't last season.
I don't konw if it counts as expliained rxactly, it's all still pretty opaque, but someone in the show did say the Ai Sedai can use the magic to extend their life.
Apologies but whomever said Nynaeve was 7.5?…….There are two women and one man in the books and across the ages that can go toe to toe with Lews Therrin, Nynaeve happens to be one of them….and if you read b/w the lines may be even stronger than him……..7.5 pffft callin' 95/5 ground chuck…shame
And the problem about the seanchan Collars is, that now they are wearing them over their clothes, where in the books, they CANNOT take the collar off. NEVER. So they have to dress with the collar on and all, just the wristband from the Sul'dam will betaken off, but in the show, they wear their dresses below the collar with their arms through it, so how do they change dresses without setting them free every time?
Dude. Dont start the book. It's……………………… unrecognisable. It IS a better TV show. As an adaptation, it is, offensive at best. Take that as you will lol.
my problem with the dialogue between, morianne and lan, is that they're not acknowledging Lans loss of the warder bond, a warder who looses his aes sedai tend to go to the blight on a mission to destroy as many shadowspawn as possible till they die, now morianne isn't dead but their bond is severed and they're just acknowledging that a thing that's been part of their lives for 20 years. They made matt a coward who runs away from things and needs a woman to lead him 😐 taking away his reluctant hero path.
Each Ajah has a different outlook on life, Red are after men who can channel for breaking the world they train to aprehend such channellers they believe they are dangerous and need to be stopped.
Green are the Battle Ajah they prepare for the Last Battle, as such they train for battle and in battle they need a warder or more to protect them whilst they're drawing on the power which is why they generally have at least 1 warder sometimes upto 3 or 4 of them. They are known for marrying their warders if they choose just one, and generally speaking all greens have a warder unless something happens to their warder. Including them dying from old age, which is 1 thing the bond breaking affects the warders far more than it effects the Aes Sedia and ends out with warders going off into the blight to fight the shadowspawn till they die.
Blues are more the spies and politicians of the Ajahs they get more information from the world.
you met Eladia in Book 1 as she's Queen Morgasse's Aes Sedai Advisor, who has a prophecy apon meeting Rand during the Elayne scenes. Modern Aes sedai live to about 350 years whom are in the tower there are some exceptions who live longer, in the past they could live upto about 800 years old dependant on their power, Moriane is about 42 in the books some of the other characters like Verin are 150ish years old that you've met in the show
The other thing that is bad with the Seanchan pointing out the channelers is that they all missed Nynayeves ability until she actually channeled in the aes sedai camp
The biggest problem with Nyneve and a block in season 2 is that she didn't have it in season 1 she was able to channel every time that she was needed too in season 1, to revive Lan from the dead and heal multiple Aes Sedai in the camp, she was able to beat machinchin in 'the ways' first attempt too, and she was able to channel down a link to destroy a horde of Trollocs, she had no trouble any time she's been needed to channel so where did this block come from ?
On Fashion, each region is sposed to be fairly distinct on the clothing styles both with he nobles and the peasantry, ie Rands clothes and speech depicted him as a 2 rivers folk to Eladia despite him looking like an Aiel in physical features so she bough that he was from there to an extent, When Moiraine entered the 2 rivers they all immediately thought she was some noble as even her travelling dress was so fine but in the show she didn't seem to stand out at all as there was so much finery in 2 rivers, they've failed to make each nation seperate enough, the exeption is the faldaran military looks a bit different.
Whilst Nyneyeve is stronger than Egwene , it's not 10 times stronger, she's not even double egwenes strength , it is a noticeable difference but not out of the ball park difference
As for the ranks link, there are a couple of discrepincies between the books and the rankings because the books say 1 thing and then the companions guide to WoT says something slightly different
Men can sense when other men 'ARE'channeling and can see other mens weaves they also can see when men are Embracing Saidar, but rand sitting round on a wall doing nothing from the distance he was in the show shouldn't of registered to logain in the slightest. except for his Ta'veren seeing ability which should of included matt as having the glow too
I'm not planning on watching it but I would still love to hear your thoughts of it.
I think you should read the book first, then watch the show.
It's just Liandrin's son. Aes Sedai live for centuries, they even said it in one of those episodes.
Regarding the age thing, it's weird that they never say to the novices 'Look, I'm three hundred, and it wasn't until I was sixty that I mastered this aspect of magic'. They also don't seem to teach them any lessons at wizard school, which seems weird. There's one bad herbology class. Maybe they should have watched Team America? Gotta have a montage, montage!
Nynaeve’s Accepted test was fairly accurate to the book, from the dialogue to what happened during the 3rd test.
The 1st test was changed from the book, but this is a change that I think the show did better.
I have a theory as to Perrin’s wolf vision. I think his mind is seeing what happens based on what he sees and smells.
Which is based on how wolfs communicate in the books, but hopefully they explain it, I’m not holding my breath on that one though.
Ishmael was an Avatar of the Dark One in the first book, so this isn’t a change.
think me as a book reader has given up on good adaptation its a better show so far def ! some directions show or not dont agree with but overall i prefer season 2 so far
Ishamael has been released, if the Dark One was released it would be game over and he is lying to Perrin. As a complete book nerd i had some issues with S1, i do think S2 was a lot better and E3 was my favourite. The accepted test was very similar to the books but generally i am ok with changes, it is 4.5 million words and there are 64 hours to tell the story. I also think Lan/Moiraine interaction is the weakest plot, for me Zoe (Nynaeve) is the stand out performance. Thanks for the reaction it is good to hear non-reader views!
Take some of the comments made by others with a pinch of salt. "Nynaeve abhors violence" for example doesn't really ring true considering she falls in love with a martial warrior like Lan and fantasized about doing violence upon Moiraine. She probably abhors violence the way a normal person does but will not shrink from it if necessary or flirt with it in her imagination.
Actually Liandrin just straight up tells Nynaeve she's hundreds of years old in the show (I think in episode 2), but it's in the middle of one of her power mad ramblings when she's trying to convince Nynaeve to be her pupil, that's why it's easy to miss
The oldest known Aes Sedai alive in the books is 293 years old (born in 705 NE, Rand is born in 978 NE, and he's supposed to be 20 at the start of 'The Wheel of Time') and has been reported dead multiple times.
Women can sense saidar in each other, and judge their strength, but men can only sense saidin other men when the other is holding saidin, and can only compare each other's strength when the other is holding all that he can. It's one of the major differences between men and women in the books.
It's amazing how much the quality goes up when they aren't trying to film during a pandemic.
About the "Wolf Brother" Power: A Wolf Brother's nose is supernaturally strong, Perrin can smell changes in emotions and track people and what they've done. The show is trying to convey that by giving Perrin "visions". Honestly, I don't think there's a better way to convey that for now. It's an old magic that's reemerging, not something from the Dark One – but Ishamael, the "Betrayer of Hope" doesn't mind Perrin thinking that a fundamental part of his being is from the Shadow. By undermining his confidence in himself, it makes it easier to corrupt him.
Idk how people can like these 3 episodes when the main character rand al thor gets 15 seconds screen time in episode 1.
The first 3 books are all rand and he gets 15 fucking seconds
Also they threw the books out in episode 1 of season 1 and ifnoted them
You could generously say that it might have been episode 4 though because thats when the whole sale changes to the story start.
Potential spoilers but alviarin, siuan, moraine, sheriam, liandrin where all accepted together during the battle of the blood snow before the shining walls.
Moraine and siuan where raised first before the other 3. Theya re also all within about 5 years of each other.
Which means in currebt era they are all between roughly 40 and 50.
So the scene with liandrin 80 year old "son" while being a complete destruction of her charqcter also ruins her relative age.
What makes it worse is when you realize that if liandrin is 100 and looks 40 than verin mathwin who looks 90 must be a 1000 years old and there fore experienced the breaking of the world
This is due to the fact that white hair on an aes sedai is incredibly rare.
The reason I refer2nce verin is because she is considered one of the oldest aes sedai
The show ruined the seanchan. They arent out to kill common folk and only require theyvtake the osth than let them go. They are actually very benevolent and fair rulers.
The show just portrays thrm as tyrants
Users of the One Power (like Aes Sedai) live longer lives, somewhat proportionate to their power level. Liandrin has already told us in the TV show that she's much older than she looks (departure from the books where she's in her 30s or maybe early 40s). I think Liandrin was raped as a teenager (my theory, not in the books) before she went to the WT and that explains why she has a son and her opinion about men in general and that the WT doesn't know anything about that. Moiraine is mid-40s in the books. Unknown in the show.
Elayne from Ep 2 S 2 is the princess Rand falls over the wall and meets in Caemlyn. He met Elaida (and Elayne's brother Gawyn and half-brother Galad) after he fell over the wall.
If they're doing what I strongly think they're doing with Liandrin/Min and Mat, they're circling around to the same place that the books get to in S3 (and book 4) and I think it's going to be a better plot when they get there. A lot of the stuff people are criticizing in S2 for not being book accurate, kind of is.
Combining Books 2 & 3 just makes sense. There is the same structure and a lot of the same fights happen 2-3 times. We're not going to get a couple locations that happened in Book 3 (I think they're coming back up in S4 or S5). Book 4 (my favorite) and S3 are going to line up pretty well.
Ep 8 S 1 was a disaster. I think it was because of A) Covid, B) Barney Harris leaving threw the writing into chaos and C) Amazon interference. I see some of the same issues in the writing for WoT S1 as were in Rings of Power and I think that's the studio's fault.
The Seanchan are a relatively "successful fascist" society. They enslave up to 15% of their people and treat them completely subhumanly and terrible. Their military and nobility are insane. But the other 70% if they take their oath to the nobility and stick by it, they give them a lot of freedom to be craftspeople and farmers and merchants, etc… that middle class just has to turn a blind eye to the slavery, which is an evil choice, it's kind of like living in Nazi Germany and just not complaining about a bunch of people being periodically taken off to concentration camps – but at least you can understand why many people would make that immoral choice.
Dont join twitter of time its a bunch of degenerate sex addled confused ingividuals that lap up the show as a perfect adaptation.
If you have read 1984 they partake in a phenomenon called double think
Cairhein culture is a combination of French and Japanese, with more French. Andor is more English. Ghealdan (where Logain is from) is more Latin. Borderlands are more East Asian (more Japanese and Korean than Chinese). When you get to the far west it starts to get more Middle Eastern.
Ok, so they're not messing up the powers the way you guys say. Logain was using Saidin. When they show Taim, he'll use Saidin. Honestly, a lot of the criticisms the show is getting on S2 are from people who haven't read far enough in the books to understand where the show is going.
Look at the guys closer to the Dais in the shot of the Seanchan at Atuan's Mill. Those are the Deathwatch guards. They have helmets that look like a little more sinister, less alien version of the Seanchan helmet you were looking at. The run of the mill soldiers are a rounded version of that, I think that was just cheaper to make a couple hundred helmets like that, particularly if they're for people getting thrown around for stunts.
Ishamael is called "the Father of Lies" for a reason (re: Perrins abilities and Ba'alzamon = Ishamael). Also, they do define Perrins abilities in the book as the wolves communicating to him through images and feelings more than 'words' as such. Super challenging to translate that on screen… I'm ok with how they're handling the visuals. I also believe they might be combining wolfbrother talents with sniffer talents, and Sniffers can 'paint a picture' of what happened in an event via their sense of smell IIRC.
I think that it is important to remember that this series of books/tv show is set 6000 years in OUR future…earth's…and the society at the time of the books has recovered from the Breaking of the World to approximately 1800 AD without guns and cannons. So late Georgian/Jane Austenesque styles being popular in Cairhien is not surprising as this is not supposed to be set in a medieval or even Renaissance setting.
I actually wish they would go back and re-shoot S01-EP08 and fix the blunders and poor cgi. For goodness sake, there was two years between the seasons and S02 was wrapping filming just as EP08 aired. They could've even done it with a separate team while doing post on S02. The problem is now it's kinda set in stone. That episode will be there for all time and it's truly incompetent. How hard would it be to go back and make a "director's cut", so to speak, and fix that episode. I feel like you could fix all of it's errors without breaking, or even improving, it's continuity with the next season.
Literally all you'd need to do is re-shoot the scene where Loial, Ingtar and Uno were killed, by maybe sending in a couple Fades to distract them while Padan Fain makes off with the Horn of Valere. Heck, maybe even explain to the non-book readers what the Horn is and why it's important to go after Fain to get it back. That would be novel!
Then re-shoot the scene where the women burn out. You could still have Amelisa burn out fully, killing herself because it was too much power for her, but the remainder of the women could just drop from exhaustion. And of course, fix the Trolloc CGI and make their army bigger. Oh, and Lord Agelmar shouldn't die either, they could re-shoot that scene by having them overrun by the Trollocs and barely escaping past the channeling women, back into the city. In fact that would heighten the urgency by having them barely get past the women before they unleashed their power!
Every other problem with that episode is trivial and not "show/story breaking". Might be lore and source material breaking, but at least you'd restore the show to something coherent.
I missed your live stream, unfortunately, but I just want to mention that you really need to be careful of what questions you ask, because you're still reading the books. Too many people won't think that the answer might be a spoiler for the books or not because you've asked the question directly. I suggest in the future you speculate about what you're wondering about, but ask before hand if it's a spoiler and for chat to not answer if it will be a spoiler for the books.
Uno, the man who's head was shoved onto the spike by the Seanchan, is a much longer running character in the books, plus he's a major fan favorite. Elayne has a goofy hobby later on and Uno provides much fodder for her. Many, many book fans will be reeling from the death of Uno, I'll guarantee you that!!!!
Just to be clear, because you were discussing it, most Aes Sedai don't live 100s of years. There's only a few rare ones that are that old. This also becomes a major topic later in the books and there's at possibility that the Aes Sedai don't actually live as long as they could. Also, pretty sure Kris Saunders in the chat is wrong, the strongest channelers don't live to 800 or 900 years old. Not sure where they came up with that info.
In the books, the Sul'dam have a wrist band that is connected to a collar on the Damane's neck. Not having the physical leash actually negates an important plot point in the books. Not sure how they'll handle it now, but it sure seems like they like shooting themselves in the foot in this show!
Another correction: Women can see a glow around other women, but only once they hold the Power. If a woman is close enough, another woman can feel that she can use the Power. If a woman holds the Power, another woman can feel how strong she is in the Power. Men get goosebumps when women near them grab the Power, but can't see a glow. Men cannot see a glow around another man, but if a man holds the Power and stands close enough, the other man can sense how powerful he is. When a man channels, the other man can feel it and where it originates.
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Talking about Nynaeve; She is a strong, obstinate character, both in the show, and in the books, (they actually got that accurate, as you probably know already), but she's like this because she was prematurely raised to Wisdom. The woman she was training under passed away and, giving Nynaeve a chance, instead of sending off to another town for another Wisdom, the Women's Circle made her the Wisdom. However, not all of the Emonds Field people agreed with that decision because she was still awfully young. I'd hazard a guess that she was only about 21 years old, or so, when she became Wisdom. Book Nynaeve is about 25 years old at the time they leave Emonds Field, while the rest of them are around 16 to 18 years old.
Anyway, because she was so young she met major resistance from many of the towns people, and because of her strong sense of duty to fill the roll, and also because of her stubbornness, she had to become strong and obstinate to overcome the villagers dismissiveness of her. She had to bully her way through the villager's stubbornness to get them to cooperate most of the time.
This is one of her core traits and it is prevalent every time she goes up against someone older or of higher authority than her, because she immediately believes she has to bulldoze her way over them in order for them to respect her. It often comes across as immature, but it's the only thing she's done in the past that worked for her, so she accidentally creates conflict with most people, especially Aes Sedai, that she comes in contact with because of this.
Regards the leash over the pacifier, I see it as the leash was the ethernet connection between the Suldam and Domane, the pacifiers gone all wifi 6
I havent read any of it, but season 2 is definitely better than season 1 as a fantasy television show, and I'm glad you could acknowledge that. Obviously season 1 has the show setup to be the next rings of power pisstake by all of youtube. It's still not perfect so theres plenty of scope for that, but it has improved, and so far it was very watchable this season in a way that it wasn't last season.
I don't konw if it counts as expliained rxactly, it's all still pretty opaque, but someone in the show did say the Ai Sedai can use the magic to extend their life.
Aes Sedai can be over 100 years old and their looks change slowly so it can be her son
Unfortunately the show doesn't capture the ridiculous hodge podge of cultures that is the world of the wheel of time.
The show is just ditching them, no persians with texan accents, no short french people eating chinese food, no viking samurai….
Apologies but whomever said Nynaeve was 7.5?…….There are two women and one man in the books and across the ages that can go toe to toe with Lews Therrin, Nynaeve happens to be one of them….and if you read b/w the lines may be even stronger than him……..7.5 pffft callin' 95/5 ground chuck…shame