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Every week, the Electrifying.com meet online to discuss all the important matters at hand. Such as the weather, what we’re all having for our tea and who dumped who in last night’s Love Island. Between these heavyweight subjects, we also talk about electric cars. A lot. Probably an unhealthy amount to be honest.
And when we do discuss cars, we find out a lot. From industry gossip to the more mundane practicalities of electric car ownership, it’s the place where we dish the dirt on the cars we’ve been driving and deliver our own verdicts on the latest electric car news. We also like to have a good laugh at the daftest bits of anti-electric news that we’ve seen in the press.
We can’t promise that you’ll learn much. You probably won’t. But if you fancy 30 minutes of idle chat and gossip about the world of electric cars, we’re here for you. If you like it / hate it / think it’s too long or too short, let us know.
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Wait for the new Merc Cla to come out for the efficiency test, then run a test comparing it to the Model 3, VW ID7, lucid air and Hyundai Ioniq 6
Surely it would be a collective term, like an efficiency of Nissan leafs
Wasn't LEAF supposed to be an acronym (or backronym)? If so then I'd think it's LEAFs. As for the collective noun – a rapidgate of LEAFs?!
Drum roll for the VW ID7 (witing for my Tourer to be delivered in the spring).
I loved the Enyaq but just found the ID7 to be more refined, not an SUV, excellent equipment levels and a bit more comfortable.
They should state efficiency at:
30 degrees – urban and extra urban
5 degrees – urban and extra urban
I do reckon miles per kW winter Vs summer is a better stated figure as it's a single digit that will let people easily compare one car to another and electrics super easy miles per kW multiplied by battery size there's your range plus lets the user work out so no manufacturer lying and if you want to check the miles per kW claim, check the dash of the test car simples.
Also, Nissan "Leafs" would be most grammatically correct since brand names more often retain their original form in plural and the word Leaf in this case is the brand name of the Nissan vehicle ❤
Finally, in keeping with the chat today, I really, really hope Renault finds success with their EVs since they are properly focused on efficiency by making vehicles as light as possible to achieve better range rather than stuffing a massive battery in, using materials and manufacturers from Europe so far as they possibly can and having production between 3 factories in France that sit in close proximity to limit distance of their supply chain. For a brand who has won so many accolades this year they are often overlooked in favour of other bigger more expensive vehicles that don't prioritise efficiency and reduction of materials in production
Leafs, as it is name not a definition.
Enough! Enough!! Guys, can we please have a moratorium on any further chat about Jaguar for a while – preferably until we can actually see a (pre-)production version, assuming we even get that far!
Winter EV efficiency vs economy.
The wife drives a 73 Niro 4 + heat pump. Average summer efficiency 4.5 miles per kwh. However in the recent cold spell, this has dropped to 2.2 mpkwh. This 50% loss of efficiency would seem to be worrying, does it not?
But, all is not as bad as it may first appear. She has a 10 mile round trip commute to work, and back. Across a city, with bumper to bumper traffic all the way. Average speed under 10mph. Using the car pre heat/defrost function via the app. along with lights, wipers, and heating all adding to the drain on the battery. Even with max regen. she doesn't get fast enough for it to be of much benefit to her. So pretty much the worst case scenario for efficient driving of an EV.
This figure of 2.2 was jokingly mentioned in the pub. Where it was jumped upon with much glee, and gusto by a few anti EV sceptics in our company. "You've lost half your range, we told you EVs are rubbish" etc. etc. Oh, how they laughed.
Economy.
When asked what mpg they were getting on average, the replies were 30-40 ish mpg depending upon driving.
Time for some maths.
We are lucky to be able to charge from home, and have a cheap rate electricity tariff.
So, with us paying roughly 8p per KWH and averaging 2.2 miles for said 8p. Against an average cost of £6.20 per gallon of petrol, we were getting the equivalent of approx. 170mpg. As a worse case scenario.
The smile upon the sceptics faces was removed with mathematical facts. Although their overall thinking still had a ways to go.
Efficiency and economy. Often used in conjuncture with each other but, often mis-understood.
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Re: “Leaf” collective nouns. Might I suggest, for the secondhand market at least, “a mulch of old leaves”.
Has Nikki got a leak in her roof just noted the bucket! Oh and ladies lets not forget Jaguar won the constructors world Championship and only lost the drivers championship to Porsche on the last race by a tiny margin having not been able to complete the test laps prior to race due to brake failure. It was a great privilege to be asked into the Jaguar pits and have discussions with team organisers when they were under so much pressure at London Excel being the last race of the season with it all hanging on a thread,. Amazing generosity. You wouldn't get that in F1.
The Jaguar issue is that at every other car show/launch the concept car is next to at least one car that is for sale for the brand so you can see the evolution etc. In this case all cars have been removed from sale! Of course the inside and doors of concept cars can be ignored. In this case the huge bonnet will surely make for a frunk big enough to sleep in!
Jag’s concept – designers’ been watching too many reruns of the intro of 2001: A Space Odyssey and have taken the ending to heart. You can choose any car but this one. Attempt no buying here.
Not sure why the guy with the iPace is worried as he got it on a PCP. Must have been happy with the payments when he took it on so just pay it off. Then if he does want one buy one or that one and take the cheap cost. Its the leasing company that has taken the huge hit.
No one could predict that Jaguar would just leave the iPace to fester and then bin it. World leading to zero in 3 years, brilliant management.
I nearly went that route too but did not in the end. Phew. The car still looks brilliant.
The ‘EV database’ is a good source of real world range data at different temperatures.
09:30 they stop talking about Formula E and start talking about Jaguar. You're welcome.
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Formula E is going to have a perception problem until they start racing on some proper race courses.
Congratulations, Nikki. We get Formula E for free on Roku in the USA, I believe.
It's so comforting having what's just about always been a bloke's domain hosted entirely by women. It just feels nice to have the world opened up more and I wish things were like this sooner.
Plural of Leaf is Leafs as it is a brand name.
Could you add an efficiency converter to the website to help people?
Over almost three years and 20,000 miles I'm averaging 4.4 miles per kWh.
I think governments will have to start mandating fleet average efficiency with staged increases of 0.2 every couple of years.
I think it would be hilarious if Nikki did a test drive of one of the racecars, reviewing it as if it were just a normal Electrifying review: “There are no cupholders or frunk, but the naught to 60 is insane.”
Also, “The range was very limited: we could only get around the city.”
Request for Nikki. Can we have a Podcast giving a run down of Formula e. I watched some of the first two season races, when the drivers had to come into the pits at the halfway stage to change cars, but I totally lost touch when coverage ceased on terrestrial TV. What are the rules now? Is there better opportunities to overtake? Are the circuits wider? I always thought it was a bit of a procession before. Is the series attracting new young talent as initially it seemed to be the series for failed and retired F1 drivers. What does Formula e offer to F1 followers? Thanks
Request for Nikki. Can we have a Podcast giving a run down of Formula e. I watched some of the first two season races, when the drivers had to come into the pits at the halfway stage to change cars, but I totally lost touch when coverage ceased on terrestrial TV. What are the rules now? Is there better opportunities to overtake? Are the circuits wider? I always thought it was a bit of a procession before. Is the series attracting new young talent as initially it seemed to be the series for failed and retired F1 drivers. What does Formula e offer to F1 followers? Thanks
LEAF is an acronym for Leading Environmentally-friendly Affordable Family car so the plural must be LEAFs.
Efficiency talk would make a welcome change from the misleading use of drag coefficient.
The level of depreciation was always going to happen, because the list price of EVs has been far too high.
An EV's efficiency is so good, and the battery in energy terms is so low, that even small changes in energy consumption, makes a large difference to total range.
An ICE vehicle will suffice range reduction in winter too, but as an engine is so inefficient, but as there's so much energy available in a tank of fuel, the ICE vehicle doesn't really notice a large reduction in range.
There are many factors that effect EV range, like the temperature of the battery, which when cold suffers energy loss. This isn't actually a loss as such, more that all the energy isn't available until the battery has warmed up.
Also lots of short trips effect range, as the cabin needs to be warmed up every drive. A long drive on the other hand only needs to maintain the cabin temperature, once the initial warm up cycle is complete.
Driving on wet roads increases energy consumption, as the water under the tyres needs to be moved out the way, and water is heavy stuff, particularly the quantities that need moving over a long journey.
Rapidly accelerating away uses a great deal more energy than pulling away slowly, so try accelerate no faster than an ICE car to save energy.
Keeping the cabin temp at a sensible level also saves energy.
Of course if you're lucky enough to have a cheap home charging rate, a bit of extra energy consumption over the winter isn't really an issue.
The answer is Leaf's, but that's from someone who only got a 'O' level English language so I'm open to correction.
On the other subject, well done Ginny great improvement, I can see you where trying, I'm always here to act as your style guru. 😜
p.s. Why can I hear swearing.
Congratulations Nicki, I thought you might be up to something else as you were not with the Formula 1 Academy presentation team today. Oh and congratulations to Abbi for winning the championship. As always a great (over) 1/2 hour video but I'm not complaining. The EV range v efficiency discussion has been a moving target. Years ago with fewer charging points range was a priority, as time moved on with more EV's and more chargers availability and time to charge moved things. Different charger speeds along with home v public charge costs is also a factor. However as we know physics plays a part in efficiency, extra capacity = greater mass that not only effects efficiency but with higher mass causes extra stress on the rolling chassis including tyres, suspension and handling in poor weather conditions. Hopefully if/when the cost delta narrows between home and public charging and availability improves smaller capacity cars that focus on efficiency will become bigger sellers. We aren't there yet but hopefully we are on the way to getting there.
The obvious 550l car under 50k over 250m would be the model Y. I assume that would not be comfy enough for the viewer, maybe next year's model? The 98kwh Grandland would do the job when it is available. There are a couple of Chinese cars on the way too, G6 or 7X but I think the latter will be too expensive.
Good point Vicky said about harsh rides and delivery tyre pressures. I took delivery of a new Ioniq 5 and thought it was bumpy. looking into the tyre pressure monitoring it said mine were all at 46psi. Book states 36psi all round. Rob
You are talking of efficiency with the batteries and how they drop in cold weather , I would be very interested in how this effects the like of cars like the Dacia Spring and other small battery cars
I would suggest " A sweep of Leafs " as a collective noun (?) for a group of Nissans, or perhaps " A shrubbery of Leafs" for Monty Python fans. Thanks for the podcast.
Pretty sure I know someone with a Model X that got the free charging
Nissan Leafs I'd say. Technically Leaf is a model name rather than a noun pertaining to things on trees.
Hello electrifying team, we discussed a couple weeks ago the prospect of my dad replacing his Skoda Karoq choosing between the Skoda Enyaq and Renault scenic, despite on the surface, the Scenic seems much better value, he decided to go for the Enyaq in the end, he went for a smaller battery (50 edition), but is paying £520 per month with a £2.5k deposit over 4 years. I think this is a really poor deal and have urged him many times to look elsewhere but he won’t budge, he has a really good relationship with the dealer and they are claiming to give him really good discounts and offers even though they aren’t. Even though it’s not the best deal, at least he’s made the jump to electric and he’s getting a free charger so that should soften the blow. Thank you for all your help.
I used to love the EV motorcycles blasting around the Isle of Man TT course.Then they stopped it because everyone thought it was shit.e.
Hey Nikki, Steve Matchett used to color the F1 coverage with a tech segment where a team would explain anything about the car they felt comfortable discussing in a short segment. It was a fun way to expand everyone's knowledge about things like diffusers, fuel cells, and all the stuff hardcore racers understand but the public rarely does. It was short and sweet but made you come away feeling like you learned something. Apologies if you're already doing that.
Another great podcast episode Electrifying team, really can't wait to see production Alpine A110 EV ❤❤.
Any new updates on when Porsche 718 Cayman EV is coming, and when are you test driving Doge Charger Daytona EV 😂?
Tesla ceased free supercharging in January 2017, so in theory there aren’t any model 3s with free supercharging as the first cars were delivered in July 2017 (2019 for RHD cars). The reason I say it is in theory is there may be a very small number of model 3 and Y cars where free supercharging was allowed to transfer to a new car as part of a promotion or was offered as a federal bonus. Even if this perk exists on a model 3 or Y, unfortunately it isn’t transferable to a new owner.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. That jaGuar concept car looks like what you’d get if Lady Penelope and Cruella DeVille collaborated on an XJS restomod.