I feel like RIIZE debut was absolutely clouded by Memories, they already perfomed on music shows and even on kcon. It makes me feel like memories is their debut
nah it's not that deep, i'm still excited whenever there's a new group coming, if anything pre-release just makes it more exciting and i get to see soo much mv and content from them in such a short wait span not once every full moon mv
This is EXACTLY why I think KARD didn’t take off. They had THREE pre-releases spread across several months before their official debut. And the risk with this, which I think is what happened with KARD, is that their official debut track wasn’t distinctly better than their pre-releases. So, the debut was therefore seen as lackluster AND was already seen as “bland” because the sound wasn’t fresh.
Like, imagine a pre-release getting more traction than your debut…already seeing interest fade before you’re even officially active.
i call this the loona effect. companies saw the bajillion predebut songs and how they created a doting fanbase and decided to mimic it. i’m sure it’s just the norm now, but loona definitely had a hand in it.
Naa I miss the time where people used to debut looking like absolute losers(in the most cute way) now they are all so… idk the standards are so high even when they debut… like y’all saw TXT in their Cat&dog outfits 😂😂
Okay but it definitely worked in their favour though? I remember when it came out and everyone said it wasn’t like other groups. No teasers, they just dropped Attention out of nowhere. It was a clever move that sets New Jeans apart. They clearly aren’t set out to be your typical kpop group. That’s the point. There’s still many groups out there like IVE that posted teasers and eventually led up to Eleven coming out.
Last time i was hyped for some group's debut was in 2018,and that was for straykids because their music was dope,3racha predebut stuff on SoundCloud and hellevator .
Groups have been doing this for a long time though. Exo and Mamamoo both had a long-winded pre-debut full of pre-releases. But despite aaaall of the teasers (so many), What is Love? and History releasing before Exo properly debuted, there is no doubt in anyone's mind that MAMA was the debut song because it was so bombastic and high-budget compared to the pre-releases 😂. Same with Mamamoo- Peppermint Chocolate MV is low budget, Don't Be Happy only got half an MV and HiHiHaHeHo didn't get one at all. Plus all their pre-releases were collabs so their proper debut felt special. Nowadays there is less distinction between the pre-releases and debut song so it's harder to tell. I really enjoy Newjeans' music but every single comeback I have no idea which song is meant to be the title track 😂. I just pick the one I like best and decide in my head that's it haha. To be fair, 2NE1 did this too, but they spaced out the singles, promoted ALL OF THEM on music shows then released the album at the end
New Jeans was very exciting!! Their music is different. Love their music!! Debut’s are different now but no less exciting. Things change as they must in order for there to be growth.
So I was also confused about NewJeans debut but I understand know so read more if you wanna know!: (Skip to the explanations if ydc about the dates)
So, 'Attention' Official MV came out, out of nowhere (Hyein's unintentional idea) on the 21st of July last year.
The next day, the 22nd of July, 'Hype Boy' Official MV (intro) comes out followed by (the next day, 23rd of July) 'Hype Boy' Official MV all versions (MINJI, DANIELLE&HAERIN, HYEIN and HANNI ver.s)
On the 24th of July, 'Hurt' Official MV comes out.
And finally, 'Cookie' Official MV premieres on the 1st of August which is also when NewJeans 1st EP 'New Jeans' was released.
v EXPLAINATION/CONCLUSION v '''"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" So technically all 3 songs 'Attention', 'Hype Boy' and 'Cookie' are their debut since all 3 of them are the title tracks of their debut album and were all Officially released on streaming platforms the same day.
BUT many people say … id their debut song dor different reasons that I'll explain.
-Some say Cookie is the title track since it was released as the same time as the album and Attention and Hype Boy are pre-releases. (Yes Hype Boy and Attention were pre-releases but they are also title tracks so I think they're also their debut)
-Some think Hype Boy was their debut song (for no specific reasons just because Hype Boy was more popular so they always thought Hype Biy was their debut single)
-And some (including Hybe, not Ador tho) say Attention was their debut song since that's when they first made their appearance and 'debuted' (honestly it makes sense they debuted with Attention, that's a fact but they have 3 title tracks I their debut album so technically the 3 are debut songs)
Tell me what you guys think, if you think I'm wrong or if you agree! 🙂
People in Kpop are so used to being spoon fed everything.
using your example, i'm failing to see what is confusing about what new jeans' debut is?? like obviously its the first song/video that came out?? why does a company need to tell you "this is their debut" like it should be fairly obvious We should be excited about kpop doing things differently, instead of sticking to the same old formula
Attention really was the official debut … It's not pre-release and also newjeans debut was so unexpected but new like refreshing so i didn't get why newjeans was the example in this video…
Also new jeans have more mvs than many 4th gen groups, mvs for each song and they were released and pomoted as singles, that's basically like lot of "comebacks" for them, and ppl wonder how new jeans catchup to other 4th gen grous in one year,
Why would cookie have been the debut? Attention came out first, and they just dropped it, there was nothing leading up to it.
I feel like RIIZE debut was absolutely clouded by Memories, they already perfomed on music shows and even on kcon. It makes me feel like memories is their debut
nah it's not that deep, i'm still excited whenever there's a new group coming, if anything pre-release just makes it more exciting and i get to see soo much mv and content from them in such a short wait span not once every full moon mv
This is EXACTLY why I think KARD didn’t take off. They had THREE pre-releases spread across several months before their official debut. And the risk with this, which I think is what happened with KARD, is that their official debut track wasn’t distinctly better than their pre-releases. So, the debut was therefore seen as lackluster AND was already seen as “bland” because the sound wasn’t fresh.
Like, imagine a pre-release getting more traction than your debut…already seeing interest fade before you’re even officially active.
If you don’t know the debut song of Newjeans then you are the problem.
i call this the loona effect. companies saw the bajillion predebut songs and how they created a doting fanbase and decided to mimic it. i’m sure it’s just the norm now, but loona definitely had a hand in it.
Naa I miss the time where people used to debut looking like absolute losers(in the most cute way) now they are all so… idk the standards are so high even when they debut… like y’all saw TXT in their Cat&dog outfits 😂😂
Okay but it definitely worked in their favour though? I remember when it came out and everyone said it wasn’t like other groups. No teasers, they just dropped Attention out of nowhere. It was a clever move that sets New Jeans apart. They clearly aren’t set out to be your typical kpop group. That’s the point. There’s still many groups out there like IVE that posted teasers and eventually led up to Eleven coming out.
I think it’s great it adds hype and more things to dig into if you like it. I like watching a video then having other content to watch.
Girl pre releases is nothing new 😭
girl this isn’t new in kpop
I thought hype boy was the title track 🫢
Why is Attention a pre release track when it's also their title track? They have multiple titles tracks so for me Attention is their debut
BLACKPINK is the only right debut for this generation
Ye budhi mere bich me bhot bolti hai
NO ONE and i mean NO ONE will do it like loona. they can try, but it always fails when they do. Loona 4th gen it group ‼️
For me, it's not about the pre-release tracks but debuts from well-known agencies are just becoming bland.
Unless it’s a song for their survival show, I consider the first thing they put out as the debut no matter what.
Last time i was hyped for some group's debut was in 2018,and that was for straykids because their music was dope,3racha predebut stuff on SoundCloud and hellevator .
Nah their debut is hype boy
Groups have been doing this for a long time though. Exo and Mamamoo both had a long-winded pre-debut full of pre-releases.
But despite aaaall of the teasers (so many), What is Love? and History releasing before Exo properly debuted, there is no doubt in anyone's mind that MAMA was the debut song because it was so bombastic and high-budget compared to the pre-releases 😂.
Same with Mamamoo- Peppermint Chocolate MV is low budget, Don't Be Happy only got half an MV and HiHiHaHeHo didn't get one at all. Plus all their pre-releases were collabs so their proper debut felt special.
Nowadays there is less distinction between the pre-releases and debut song so it's harder to tell. I really enjoy Newjeans' music but every single comeback I have no idea which song is meant to be the title track 😂. I just pick the one I like best and decide in my head that's it haha. To be fair, 2NE1 did this too, but they spaced out the singles, promoted ALL OF THEM on music shows then released the album at the end
New Jeans was very exciting!! Their music is different. Love their music!! Debut’s are different now but no less exciting. Things change as they must in order for there to be growth.
So I was also confused about NewJeans debut but I understand know so read more if you wanna know!:
(Skip to the explanations if ydc about the dates)
So, 'Attention' Official MV came out, out of nowhere (Hyein's unintentional idea) on the 21st of July last year.
The next day, the 22nd of July, 'Hype Boy' Official MV (intro) comes out followed by (the next day, 23rd of July) 'Hype Boy' Official MV all versions (MINJI, DANIELLE&HAERIN, HYEIN and HANNI ver.s)
On the 24th of July, 'Hurt' Official MV comes out.
And finally, 'Cookie' Official MV premieres on the 1st of August which is also when NewJeans 1st EP 'New Jeans' was released.
v EXPLAINATION/CONCLUSION v
'''""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
So technically all 3 songs 'Attention', 'Hype Boy' and 'Cookie' are their debut since all 3 of them are the title tracks of their debut album and were all Officially released on streaming platforms the same day.
BUT many people say … id their debut song dor different reasons that I'll explain.
-Some say Cookie is the title track since it was released as the same time as the album and Attention and Hype Boy are pre-releases. (Yes Hype Boy and Attention were pre-releases but they are also title tracks so I think they're also their debut)
-Some think Hype Boy was their debut song (for no specific reasons just because Hype Boy was more popular so they always thought Hype Biy was their debut single)
-And some (including Hybe, not Ador tho) say Attention was their debut song since that's when they first made their appearance and 'debuted' (honestly it makes sense they debuted with Attention, that's a fact but they have 3 title tracks I their debut album so technically the 3 are debut songs)
Tell me what you guys think, if you think I'm wrong or if you agree! 🙂
this girl always finds a problem. she could really just look at herself
That weird ass sexuelle song is supposed to be thier debut?
People in Kpop are so used to being spoon fed everything.
using your example, i'm failing to see what is confusing about what new jeans' debut is?? like obviously its the first song/video that came out?? why does a company need to tell you "this is their debut" like it should be fairly obvious
We should be excited about kpop doing things differently, instead of sticking to the same old formula
Attention really was the official debut … It's not pre-release and also newjeans debut was so unexpected but new like refreshing so i didn't get why newjeans was the example in this video…
There's no mystery or storylines. Only about 20% based on what I've seen.
I don't see what's the real problem, things change! If you can't keep up with the new groups it's not our fault 🤭
NewJeans was the worst example you could've picked. Literally no teasers, nobody knew the members. One of the best debuts in awhile.
What about survival shows groups then?
It’s because of money duh…
They profit way more on releasing a ton of songs, since K-pop has become an international sensation.
Dalla dalla by ITZY and O.O by Nmixx, change my mind, both are iconic in their own ways so impossible for people to mix up. Change my mind
whos the group shes talking about in the beginning?
I have no problem with groups having pre-debut releases, they feel like debuts because a debut for me is the first song someone releases.
Wasn't hype boy the title track of NJ's debut album
I thought that it was ditto 😂
Also new jeans have more mvs than many 4th gen groups, mvs for each song and they were released and pomoted as singles, that's basically like lot of "comebacks" for them, and ppl wonder how new jeans catchup to other 4th gen grous in one year,