Dive into the world of SpaceX’s Starship and its many variants! We unpack the vision and promise behind the world’s most adaptable space vehicle. From its early intentions as a Mars-bound human transport, to its recent pitch as a space station to NASA, Starship is shaping up to be a game-changer. But can SpaceX deliver on its many promises? Join us as we delve deep into the details, ask the tough questions, and look forward to the future of space exploration!
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Point to Point is the idea ever. Change my mind.
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But Point to Point is still the best thing ever.
starship is where the stolen russians designes falls flat on its face… flop flop flop
Another variant is the Starship-Hubble telescope variant
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Starship is a huge metal tube. Its internals are a platform for any number of missions, and its internal structures can easily be built on earth.
Starship can be used in space for anything that can be done on earth.
The word you are thinking of is prototypes. Many variations means many prototypes, with many filling the rocket garden
It’s a lot more feasible than making one-mission designs as we’ve done from the start of the rocket age.
Let's not forget it has NEVER reached orbit nor proven the upper stage can survive re-entry. How many years have they been working on this?? I'm not holding my breath. Armageddon will be upon us before this hoax of a rocket fulfills the most meager expectations.
Great video guys! I appreciate the thorough breakdown – and as usual I learned something new. NSF does not disappoint!
Don't forget the propellant tanks can be used for a Starship based space station.
Heat tiles and flaps wouldn't be needed, reducing the Starship weight and thus increasing the weight lift capacity.
The header tanks would be relocated to the bottom of the oxygen tank just like in the booster. This would reduce the strength requirement on the walls of the cargo section, allowing for the installation of openings for both a crew docking port and a larger cargo docking port. The oxygen and methane tanks already have external service ports that are used by workers to get inside the tanks when the Starship is on the ground. If larger opening for cargo hatches, that are sealed like the service access ports, can be added without compromising the strength of the rocket they should also be added. Docking ports could replace these access ports either prior to launce or once in orbit.
If service ports can be installed in the exterior of the propellant tanks then pre-installed ports in the header between the cargo area and the methane tank as well as in the common dome would be possible, which would allow access to both empty propellant tanks. One or more Starship launches could be done to remove the Raptor engines for return to Earth and to seal the engine outlets of the repellent tanks so that they become air tight.
Attachment points for solar panels, etc. could be pre-installed outside the Starship. Attachment points for walls, hardware, equipment, etc. could be pre-installed inside the propellant tanks and on the methane downcomer pipe. The repositioned header tanks could be re purposed for water, oxygen, or air storage once in orbit.
A number of cargo launches would be requited to bring the station equipment to the Starship, but still the cost of a fully equipped approximately 7000 m² Starship space station would be far less per m² than any other option.
I wonder if starship need thermal control help? The space shuttle was another craft about this big. It needed to get the payload bay doors open in order to get the radiators out or they would have to return IIRC.
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Awesome report Ryan, thank you!
what about the "2,0" variant? 18m wide 240 meter tall. the 2,0 is my favorite. Perfect for Mars cargo and supplies missions
But for the starship tanker why do they not put 100t fuel tanks in the cargo bay it would be better ?
The Space Shuttle ran into the same problem… trying to be everything for everyone. In reality, Starship will mostly be a cargo barge and Starlink maintainer. It's cost effectiveness is questionable, requiring multiple flights just to go anywhere outside of LEO. I have serious doubts that it will ever go to Mars, well with people anyway. It has such a long way to go before it's remotely mature enough to know anything at this point anyway. It does have some outstanding marketing though.
Also Elon tweeted about a using starship as structure for giant space telescope!
Great vid, like the 3D models used
The real market for starship is to place large payloads in GTO while being fully reusable. Even the timelines only make sense in that context. By the time the ship makes it’s extended elliptical orbit, the chopsticks will have had time to move the booster out of the way.
Frankly, the only missions starship seems purpose built for is building a Space Elevator and/or completely cornering the satellite communications market. All the other variants are kinda shoe horned in there, despite any altruistic thoughts of making humanity “multi planetary.”
When looking at cost/profit/logistical issues of multiple versions of Starship your airline analogy was good but you could extend it further than just looking at passenger and cargo versions of essentially the same plane. When considering whether it is manageable for SpaceX as a commercial operation I would zoom out a step on your analogy and observe that not only are there different versions of the same plane but as commercial operators many airlines have multiple airline types in their fleet and for some, e.g. Emirates, they're not even from the same manufacturer with a pretty even representation of both Boeing and Airbus planes of various types. Qatar is also a split Airbus/Boeing operator as are many other airlines to varying degrees.
If airlines can run and maintain such very diverse fleets and heavily utilised fleets on a daily basis then I am pretty confident that SpaceX could manage multiple versions of the upper stage.
Another variant could be added as stated by Elon is the 'Telescope version' of which features a huge telescope as a payload or having the whole ship as a telescope.
And the renders of this video are just amazing. Loved it.
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Is this a high school project for you?
The Space Shuttle functioned as a:
1. manned orbital laboratory
2. satellite launcher
3. space telescope launcher (since you mentioned 'scopes in particular)
4. cargo delivery 'truck'
5. construction material delivery 'truck'
6. satellite repair vehicle
7. ?
All with one basic configuration.
While I am certain there will be SS variations, many of the functions described in this episode can be accomplished with simple payload changes. Seems likely SS with have a "standard payload spec," enabling many customers to easily and cheaply optimize specialized functions.
Never stop trusting
Why not make fuel on orbit? Seems like an opportunity for another company and not SpaceX. We need to move beyond just SpaceX as the monopoly.
When all you have is a hammer.. Every problem looks like a nail. This is how SpaceX will die.
The challenge is whether SpaceX can even get routine Starship launches. Musk has proven to be a vaporware salesman. He appears to be the weak link within the SpaceX ecosystem.
Ablut havin different versions makes upkeep more difficult, thats not really a consideration for Tesla, they were being panned for NOT having variants. His experiences with car varieties informs his work with keeping several rocket variants around at a time, IMO
I want to see a disposable version specifically designed to boost a large 3rd stage to carry deep space missions farther and faster. Imagine being able to comfortably double your mass to Jupiter or Saturn, and get there faster, yes please.
Starlink provide already 1 billion dollars in revenue. And will double by the end of this year. With the 2.0 version , It will go easily to 5 billion dollars if revenue!
You really need to wake up from your musk cult
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I think this very simple "grain silo approach" won't work. Nearly everything in Boca Chica looks cheap and improvisational. The Raptor engines are high-tech, the rest is scrap.
BRUH. Starship is too simple for full reusable super high weight rocket, that can deliver crew to Mars. And Raptor costs ≈1 million $, is very very cheap. Record costs for 1kN.
I think spaceX just wasted money and time built that shit
If and when the Starship becomes operational, the different iterations will be a major game changer. We can explore the solar system. We can mine the asteroid belt. We can send ships Earth to Earth in minutes. Lunar bases become simplified. Also, I’ve never heard it discussed but a military version becomes possible.
You know, dude, you look like you're always on the port tack.
The Giant Space Telescope Launch Foundation needs a fleet. We will need 7 cargo 'ships for our mirrors, 1 crew version for our scientists, engineers, patrons, and tourists. We will need to design one for our construction astronauts and their EVA tugs, with suit porches. Maybe an infirmary.
they should get it flying — great rockets aren't announced just after years of use it turns out they were great
Why would lunar lander be painted white? Paint weighs and i would imagine white paint absorbs more sunlight than shiny metal which reflects more away – avoiding boiloff
I want to see a “shuttle” version with crew and cargo. If they have the shuttle style doors that open into the barrel section, then make the nose cone a crew compartment so that missions like the Hubble service mission can happen. I wonder if there is enough DV to do a JWST service mission.
SpaceX is already a huge game changer. First time they landed a rocket, the whole game changed.