Yes in Halo the game series with genocidal aliens who are bent on the accidental destruction of the entire galaxy and purpose ful Extinction of an entire race of people are not the bad guys the humans are
Bro, humanity is not the bad guys. Yes the Spartan programs is basically a war crime. But yknow what’s a bigger war crime, genocide. Because some religious guy told you it was right.
As with all groups one isnt evil or good based on total actions…just on recent ones, everyone has skeletons and its only the corpse thats still smelling that sells it out
FYI the spartans were 100% necessary even before the covenant because the way humanity was warring with each other we would have blasted ourselves back to the stone age. The reason: it was civil war, but everyones car doubles as a nuke. Near the end of the UNSC/Insurrection war the Insurrection where weaponizing the slipspace drives of their commercial ships to wipe out entire cities in the name of freedom. This level of escalation was calculated to eventually lead to the end of humanity by Dr Halsey and her peers.
So strange to me that there was never a spin-off title where insurrectionists were the main antagonists for the first half of the game, or even the whole game itself.
ONI's constant shady actions make the universe that much more interesting, and it's barely brought up in the games that during the events of most titles, there's ongoing combat with this other human faction. Would have been a great way to expand the games.
Calling them after the Ancient Spartans was a massive red flag…. The Ancient Spartans were extreme slavers with the majority of Spartas population bieng Slaves.. and Spartan trainees would randomly raid Slave homes and murder them to instill fear in the poulation. And the fact that they had a proto-eugenic programs and trained thier soldiers young… yeah not ominous. 😂
Spartans where made to deal with the insurrection, then when the human covenant war started, humanity with the unsc where trying to survive and oni took advantage of their desperation to survive
to keep doing more of their experiments with new technologies and new samples of the flood they collected when they collected it
i see it as humanity is good, and oni are that bad that took every advantage they could during the war, but its kind of like a necessary bad in a way
Without oni, there wouldn’t be any Spartan for example
Am i losing my mind or is it just mixed information? Now i know video game cannon supersedes anything else then, as long as it doesnt contradict the game, the books are cannon. I remember them choosing 300 candidates that fit genetically, but could only house about half (150), so they studied and tested their mentality to chose their 150. Of the 150 taken roughly half made it through training and augmentation, leaving somewhere around 75 functioning spartan II's. I may just be remembering wrong, but where does it state only 75 were taken?
Humanity is never wrong in sci-fi. There has yet to be a single time a work of sci-fi has produced an "evil" humanity. Humanity #1 fuckers you're just mad you're an ugly alien that has toes for fingers or something idk
"I feel I must remind you that it is undeniable, and may I say a fundamental quality of man, that when faced with extinction, every alternative is preferable." The Director, RvB
Although humanity used "questionable" ways with the spartan program, they are not the most evil in the universe. Oni did indeed do pretty goofy things, but compared to the genocidal war, the covenant waged on humanity i would take spartans over the billions and billions of people glassed off the face of the colonies.
Humanity isn’t evil but the people behind ONI certainly are. Mfs took kids and forced them to be super-soldiers and a lot of them didn’t even survive reaching that point
Glassing a city is also generally seen as bad
Yes in Halo the game series with genocidal aliens who are bent on the accidental destruction of the entire galaxy and purpose ful Extinction of an entire race of people are not the bad guys the humans are
I just blame the shadow government.
Bro, humanity is not the bad guys. Yes the Spartan programs is basically a war crime. But yknow what’s a bigger war crime, genocide. Because some religious guy told you it was right.
also like 6 more spartan IIs killed themselves
As with all groups one isnt evil or good based on total actions…just on recent ones, everyone has skeletons and its only the corpse thats still smelling that sells it out
Humanity isint evil, shut your elite preferred species mouth up
FYI the spartans were 100% necessary even before the covenant because the way humanity was warring with each other we would have blasted ourselves back to the stone age.
The reason: it was civil war, but everyones car doubles as a nuke.
Near the end of the UNSC/Insurrection war the Insurrection where weaponizing the slipspace drives of their commercial ships to wipe out entire cities in the name of freedom. This level of escalation was calculated to eventually lead to the end of humanity by Dr Halsey and her peers.
Evil? No. Morally questionable? Yes
So strange to me that there was never a spin-off title where insurrectionists were the main antagonists for the first half of the game, or even the whole game itself.
ONI's constant shady actions make the universe that much more interesting, and it's barely brought up in the games that during the events of most titles, there's ongoing combat with this other human faction. Would have been a great way to expand the games.
Calling them after the Ancient Spartans was a massive red flag….
The Ancient Spartans were extreme slavers with the majority of Spartas population bieng Slaves.. and Spartan trainees would randomly raid Slave homes and murder them to instill fear in the poulation.
And the fact that they had a proto-eugenic programs and trained thier soldiers young… yeah not ominous. 😂
And The movie 300 was spartan properganda. 😂
Spartans where made to deal with the insurrection, then when the human covenant war started, humanity with the unsc where trying to survive and oni took advantage of their desperation to survive
to keep doing more of their experiments with new technologies and new samples of the flood they collected when they collected it
i see it as humanity is good, and oni are that bad that took every advantage they could during the war, but its kind of like a necessary bad in a way
Without oni, there wouldn’t be any Spartan for example
O no we had to kidnap kids to save all of humanity what a tragedy
I now realize halo is kinda bad for normalizing this stuff.
I… don't think there ARE good guys in Halo when you break it down. Just Survival, Duty, Faith and the victims born for those
Wait till people actually learn about the type of stuff organizations like the CIA and FBI are actually up to behind those closed doors 😂
Am i losing my mind or is it just mixed information? Now i know video game cannon supersedes anything else then, as long as it doesnt contradict the game, the books are cannon. I remember them choosing 300 candidates that fit genetically, but could only house about half (150), so they studied and tested their mentality to chose their 150. Of the 150 taken roughly half made it through training and augmentation, leaving somewhere around 75 functioning spartan II's. I may just be remembering wrong, but where does it state only 75 were taken?
What about spartan 3? They were made for the covenant war in mind.
Humanity is never wrong in sci-fi. There has yet to be a single time a work of sci-fi has produced an "evil" humanity. Humanity #1 fuckers you're just mad you're an ugly alien that has toes for fingers or something idk
"I feel I must remind you that it is undeniable, and may I say a fundamental quality of man, that when faced with extinction, every alternative is preferable."
The Director, RvB
No cry
Evil? no
Desperate? yes
Morally questionable? definitely
Necessary? Also yes
"flash clones that will likely die"
Oh my friend, it was guaranteed trauma 😂😂😂
Although humanity used "questionable" ways with the spartan program, they are not the most evil in the universe. Oni did indeed do pretty goofy things, but compared to the genocidal war, the covenant waged on humanity i would take spartans over the billions and billions of people glassed off the face of the colonies.
Humanity isn’t evil but the people behind ONI certainly are. Mfs took kids and forced them to be super-soldiers and a lot of them didn’t even survive reaching that point