See the original video here –https://youtu.be/02GLtie62tE
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Wasn’t it KINDA about states rights? – https://youtu.be/oGry_aCTeuo
Tariffs and Taxes – the REAL Cause of the War? – https://youtu.be/7Oc33_91Ssk
Did the Confederacy Really Have Better Generals? – https://youtu.be/4CvcOUw0j5E
Was it Really the War of Northern Aggression? – https://youtu.be/rTQzXG15QsU
Was Sherman a War Criminal? – https://youtu.be/CTVr4YgB5VI
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Chris i still see people on civil war forums online that still to this day believe Longstreet has the attack at dawn order and no amount of evidence sways them. They generally are older and southern so they can’t consider that what they learned 50 years ago isn’t true
As a former Lost Cause proponent I appreciate these perspectives. I love atuns videos but I feel he exudes a liberal snobbery that hurts the conversation more than helps it. As well as the generalizations that accompany such attitudes. The conversation deserves more nuance than a reactionary spat. Appreciation of one's heritage doesn't make one an asshole. I appreciate you for making that distinction.
One big issue I have with "re-writing" of history is people fail to look at things from the perspective of people at the time.
I'm not sure that history is written by the victors; in addition to the Lost Cause, consider Japan's continued rewriting of Nanking and their atrocities in World War II, and Turkey's denial of the Armenian Genocide. History's first draft is written by those who experience it, and its later drafts are revised by those who have a political interest in it. When we're lucky, we get a later draft that removes the bias from the previous drafts and tries to present a complete, unjudgmental picture, but there's no such thing as a "final draft" of history – or if there is, I don't want to be around for when that draft is handed in.
Honoring confederate ancestors is still honoring people who were open traitors against the United States. There is no way around it
It was like 2 percent about states rights
the states rights to do slavery is best way to put it really. that is alll it is. and like lets not pretend the american independence was all that much better, it was just a we dont want to be treated as a colony fuck you for trying to take our money type thing.
I've also been recovering from sickness. Godspeed with your recovery (if you are still sick). With that said, I just picked up a biography of Salmon P. Chase. I'm looking forward to getting into it! Videos on specific people involved in American politics at that time like Charles Sumner, William Seward, Fred Douglass, etc. Seems like an interesting project!
He is talking about Alex Jones at 08:08 He is a conspiracy theorist. Lot of people hate him, but I love listening to that dude.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet, but I saw your confusion when he brought up "The Gay Frog Guy". He's referring to Alex Jones who claimed that the government was adding estrogen or other chemicals to the water to make all of us less masculine and easier to subject. The water would get into the waterways and ponds and was turning the frogs gay (or something along those lines).
It came from a study that found that a pesticide (Atrezine) was turning male frogs into female frogs. The study has since been disputed and it turns out frogs are naturally hermaphroditic.
Oh no here we go again.
Tied with Wales
I respectfully disagree with honoring ones ancestors as waving the Confederate and Nazi flag is not how one honors there ancestors. You can have photos of your ancestors in the military uniforms, but know that you send the message that you don't care what there cause was. They still support a horrible system and we need to acknowledge that. Also why do we want to respect our great great grandparents it's not like they know who you were. The message I see is your endorsement of these government. Plus are we just going to ignore the victims of your ancestors. For those who support the confederate ancestors know I too have confederate ancestors but my family chooses to remember there later years not there traitors actions against the usa.
American history about the civil war during the late 19th and early 20th century was propaganda pushed by the daughters of the confederacy
I will simply say this: *ALL* historical events MUST be evaluated within their contemporary context. A very apt analogy of the US Civil War would be to envision California, New York, and other leftist hellholes seceding over the issue of abortion.
(…waits patiently for the wailing and gnashing of teeth to subside…)
Now that you've all vented, go back and really think on the similarities between slavery and abortion: Both were counted as 'unenumerated rights under the US Constitution'. Both were upheld by the US Supreme Court, only to be rejected by later SCotUS rulings. Both were used by proponents to deny fundamental rights to particular individuals. Both were as divisive among the US population, with people on both sides going too drastic extremes in championing their respective causes.
If substituting "the right to own slaves" for "the right to kill unborn children" (or vice-versa) changes your perspective on whether you support or oppose such 'right', you should probably do some serious soul-searching.
Fact is The Supreme Court decided that slavery was legal. Therefore: It is natural the the SOUTH would be relentless in its rights. It was a decision made by the Court and Congress should have AMENDED the Constitution rather gather and army for the purpose of than attack and invade peaceful states such as Virginia.. Ofcourse the South was forced to defend against this tyrrany. Even so this was not about slavery on the part of the South it was about defending the individual states. Home and family. The Old South has a glorious history. Those who fought for the South were the best that the country had to offer. North did not fight to defeat slavery. Those solders were mostly mercenary could care less about the slaves. Just another reason the Honorable Southern men had to march to war. People condemd those of other nations for mass murder of that nations own but praise SHERMAN for war on civilians. Women and children. Now tell the history right.
VTH, I love you. I just had the flu, too – and it knocked me on my @$$. No way I could do a review video in that circumstance. The fact that you have so much commentary whilst recovering from sickness makes you a man amongst boys. Keep up the good work, my friend!
Things only become about states rights when the argument is lost nationwide. Conservatives of any era have to retreat to the states where they still hold a voting majority and press the issue there.
Get well first Chris. You can do videos later when you are well.
It is interesting, how the Civil War felt basically unavoidable. Many Southern states were build on industries of slave labor. At some point I feel like many southerners tried to justify the system in their own ways. They made up the idea that black people were inherently inferior, as the alternative was agreeing that much of the Souths and their own wealth was build on them exploiting fellow men. I can kinda see how hard it can be to say "My city or state has a fundamental problem and most people seem to support it".
Many of the rich people and/or politicians convinced themselves (probably because of a lack of empathy) that their support for slavery was just. I would actually argue that believing the only two options are "We are richer, but there is slavery" and "Slavery is abolished and we will lose our living standards" shows that someone is a bad politician. Working together with formerly disenfranchised people and the culture it creates is honestly better than any form of slavery.
While basically all Confederate politicians fought for slavery, some Southerners probably bought their own propaganda about "defending their Southern Culture". But they still fought in an army, build on defending slavery. I don't think we should hate relatives that participated in things like that, but I think there can be some comparisions to modern criminals. I honestly believe that it's ironic, when people defend their own relatives, that owned slaves, while talking about how terrible theft today is. Both should be seen from a more "How can we re-integrate criminals in society, if at all possible". Owning even a single slave is something extreme and I think it's hard to argue that there are many crimes worse, that taking basic rights from other Americans.
Glad to hear your feeling a little better Sir. Hope you continue to be on the up and up.
Eh, I'm going to watch and like both vids because you're good and Let's Go
USA! But I can't stand videos like this. They're just cinnematic shower arguments.
My 4th great grandfather fought at the battle of Vicksburg
The war was about states rights…the state rights to own slaves.
Very proud of my Confederate great grandfather- but offended by the Confederate battle flag.
People think that pointing out the crimes of the union is akin to "the war wasn't about slavery" like yes, everyone (should) knows that slaver was the main issue at hand, but the north still had slaves in some parts, they had bounty hunters making a living off of capturing slaves, they were still segregated and still extremely racist and even tho slaves were freed in many parts in the north, they were still looked down on badly, and plus the union killed many civilians on purpose in many cruel and atrocious ways. Yes, we know that the south was wrong in its battle to keep slavery, but that doesn't erase the crimes committed by the union. In my eyes, both sides had their own ways of being deplorable.
In Texas, we were taught that the civil war wasn't about slavery at all which is completely wrong. Hell, the Texas Revolution started because Mexico had outlawed slavery in Texas, so Texas literally fought 2 wars and succeeded from 2 countries to keep slaves and anyone who denies that has a very ignorant and bigoted view of history
I feel like this guy overlooks and borderline even apologizes for the crimes and racism in the union and that's one reason I don't like his videos. Here and there he'll admit to something, but he clearly has a huge bias for the union, and when people hear me say I don't like the union of the civil war either, they automatically think i would've sided with the south, which in a political sense is not true. I just don't see either side as being righteous