LIVE: Joined by Special Envoy of WHO DG on Covid19, Dr. David Nabarro, we are discussing the global status of the pandemic; Prof Anthony Costello & Dr Zubaida Haque hosting, Dr Helen Salisbury chairing and Prof Christina Pagel on numbers.
Finally, thanks Christina, acknowledgement that a floor of 1.5-2% is NOT 'good' as a previous person kept stating and is in fact not good enough. This maintains covid in the epidemic status that seems never ending. People are getting infected over and over and NOT becoming immune, but simply catching it again. Long covid eventually getting them as the immune system gets battered. With RSV/Flu/norovirus all battering the immune system too. (I think colds are not part of the cycle but I could be wrong) leading to CFS/ME which is essentially the same thing as long covid. As I said previously….we take viruses too lightly. Between them they are now the second highest killer in the UK, just a short way behind the dementia like illnesses eg parkinsons. That's higher than cancer/heart problems etc…. – This affects our health. The economy. Schooling. The lot. Simple measures are all called 'lockdown' as the politics of covid has removed common sense. Yet…if it's HIV in discussion. Everyone thinks we must do something as cases rise. Even though it kills only a fraction of the number of the other diseases. In fact 0.8%
Primarily droplets?!!! Care to comment, Indie Sage?! I don't know if they read the comments… if OVER TWO YEARS we STILL don't have clarity on that it really is a shameful state of play. Get your act together, WHO
Really needed to give him a harder time on some of the points here, but I understand not wanting to be too critical of the weak WHO stances on various matters of the pandemic.
Also, I know Dr Salisbury was hosting, but surprised she didn't jump in to address the mask question since she is clearly hospital based. Quite shocking state of affairs that the clinically vulnerable are expected to be the ones to fight for basic infection control (I am not in that group). It is contradictory on the one hand to spend hours discussing how bad covid is and at the same time talk as though staff "forgetting" to wear a mask is not a staff problem/responsibility. About time that hospital staff from the highest to the lowest took it on board that they are – like it or not – ROLE MODELS to both other staff and public. If anyone, staff and public, sees clinical staff without masks, they won't wear them either – the thinking is "the doctors aren't wearing them so I don't need to either". The Institutional Entitlement needs to change, and responsibility to be taken.
Apparatchik! That's why you never take a job with bureaucracies like the UN. Who wants to be forced to say ridiculous things like, "Because this is primarily a droplet-borne infection," as said Dr. David Nabarro? Other than that everything Dr. Nabarro said was brilliant. Today's was a must-watch episode.
01:07 Welcome & Intro: Dr Helen Salisbury 02:25 Stats: Prof Christina Pagel 16:10 Guest intro: Prof Antony Costello: How do you see the state of the Global Pandemic? 17:34 David Nabarro (WHO DG special envoy on SARS-CoV2) 20:15 (China) 26:22 Q from Dr Zubaida Haque: What lessons should we learn? 27:52 (Global lessons) 29:28 (Approach) 31:46 (No global approach to scarce and vital resources: No equity) 34:14 (Empower local responses to adapt measures to their particular circumstances) 36:34 Cost of living, nutrition, food insecurity and immunity? 40:30 How can we construct a global system of preparedness? 44:04 Questions from the public 44:15 Is Asymptomatic infection still a thing? 48:08 How can we improve Covid awareness in hospitals? 52:40 Pre-existing inequalities & Covid: what lessons do we need to learn? 55:28 Why is there a difference in effectiveness of vaccines against certain infections but not with Covid? 58:00 Info about mRNA vaccines on the Independent SAGE website 59:00 End
Thank you as usual. I'd also been wondering why one pneumonia vaccine lasts a lifetime but Corona and flu don't. Now I know, and hope that scientists are working towards longer lasting vaccines now.
Still with the droplet dogma almost 3 years on. This is absolutely criminally anti-science. Shameful. Covid is AIRBORNE and this has been demonstrated many times over by now.
Why don't you all meet up in a pub somewhere and have a jolly good party after your hour of drivel. You know, what normal folk do? You might even survive. Like normal folk.
Thank you one and all!
I'll do chapter headings tomorrow. It's late here in China!
Thank you always
Finally, thanks Christina, acknowledgement that a floor of 1.5-2% is NOT 'good' as a previous person kept stating and is in fact not good enough. This maintains covid in the epidemic status that seems never ending. People are getting infected over and over and NOT becoming immune, but simply catching it again. Long covid eventually getting them as the immune system gets battered.
With RSV/Flu/norovirus all battering the immune system too. (I think colds are not part of the cycle but I could be wrong) leading to CFS/ME which is essentially the same thing as long covid.
As I said previously….we take viruses too lightly. Between them they are now the second highest killer in the UK, just a short way behind the dementia like illnesses eg parkinsons.
That's higher than cancer/heart problems etc….
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This affects our health. The economy. Schooling. The lot. Simple measures are all called 'lockdown' as the politics of covid has removed common sense.
Yet…if it's HIV in discussion. Everyone thinks we must do something as cases rise. Even though it kills only a fraction of the number of the other diseases. In fact 0.8%
Primarily droplets?!!! Care to comment, Indie Sage?! I don't know if they read the comments… if OVER TWO YEARS we STILL don't have clarity on that it really is a shameful state of play. Get your act together, WHO
Really needed to give him a harder time on some of the points here, but I understand not wanting to be too critical of the weak WHO stances on various matters of the pandemic.
Also, I know Dr Salisbury was hosting, but surprised she didn't jump in to address the mask question since she is clearly hospital based. Quite shocking state of affairs that the clinically vulnerable are expected to be the ones to fight for basic infection control (I am not in that group). It is contradictory on the one hand to spend hours discussing how bad covid is and at the same time talk as though staff "forgetting" to wear a mask is not a staff problem/responsibility. About time that hospital staff from the highest to the lowest took it on board that they are – like it or not – ROLE MODELS to both other staff and public. If anyone, staff and public, sees clinical staff without masks, they won't wear them either – the thinking is "the doctors aren't wearing them so I don't need to either". The Institutional Entitlement needs to change, and responsibility to be taken.
Apparatchik! That's why you never take a job with bureaucracies like the UN. Who wants to be forced to say ridiculous things like, "Because this is primarily a droplet-borne infection," as said Dr. David Nabarro? Other than that everything Dr. Nabarro said was brilliant. Today's was a must-watch episode.
Chapters
01:07 Welcome & Intro: Dr Helen Salisbury
02:25 Stats: Prof Christina Pagel
16:10 Guest intro: Prof Antony Costello: How do you see the state of the Global Pandemic?
17:34 David Nabarro (WHO DG special envoy on SARS-CoV2)
20:15 (China)
26:22 Q from Dr Zubaida Haque: What lessons should we learn?
27:52 (Global lessons)
29:28 (Approach)
31:46 (No global approach to scarce and vital resources: No equity)
34:14 (Empower local responses to adapt measures to their particular circumstances)
36:34 Cost of living, nutrition, food insecurity and immunity?
40:30 How can we construct a global system of preparedness?
44:04 Questions from the public
44:15 Is Asymptomatic infection still a thing?
48:08 How can we improve Covid awareness in hospitals?
52:40 Pre-existing inequalities & Covid: what lessons do we need to learn?
55:28 Why is there a difference in effectiveness of vaccines against certain infections but not with Covid?
58:00 Info about mRNA vaccines on the Independent SAGE website
59:00 End
Thank you for the work you are continuing to carry out to help protect us all. Thanks also for helping me to stay sane in the midst of such insanity!
Thank you as usual. I'd also been wondering why one pneumonia vaccine lasts a lifetime but Corona and flu don't. Now I know, and hope that scientists are working towards longer lasting vaccines now.
Still with the droplet dogma almost 3 years on. This is absolutely criminally anti-science. Shameful. Covid is AIRBORNE and this has been demonstrated many times over by now.
Why don't you all meet up in a pub somewhere and have a jolly good party after your hour of drivel. You know, what normal folk do?
You might even survive. Like normal folk.