In our last episode, we looked at NASA’ s plan for reaching Mars.
But no matter how we get there, can we really survive? If so, how?
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Always great content. Always well thought out. There is no other forwards thinking space related channel more cerebral in my opinion. I knew from day one you were gonna blow up sir.
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Let me tell you, folks, it’s one of the dumbest ideas I’ve ever heard. We've got this living planet here, sure it's got problems—it's sick, okay, I get it, but it’s still alive. And you wanna pack up and go to a dead planet? A DEAD planet, people. A frozen, lifeless, nasty desert. Billions—billions—of dollars just to freeze your butt off? Give me a break. You think it’s fun at first, oh yeah, sure, but then what? It’s a total disaster. Believe me, folks, huge mistake, colossal waste of time, IMHO!
there is no money for mars or moon colonisation
Why don't we just follow Elon Musk's plans for all these things???……….Crickets! ……. Yes!! we can raise crickets and use them as food!!
The first dozen colonies or so will fail by design and thousands will die. But we'll just iterate new ideas and eventually get it right!! And by then, well have all those frozen bodies up there which should help solve the food problem!!
Call me old school but I think we need very solid plan that safely gets a small crew there and back with a short exploration stay on the planet. We should no that with proven technology with a high probability of reliability and ultimate success.
It seems pretty silly to be planning elaborate spacecraft like Starship when we don't really have a clear plan that would use it. Committing many billions of dollars to somethin way more than we nd for the mission at hand. And in the process, locking us into a particular design, that we already know is grossly flawed for future missions that are not even remotely defined yet.
Maybe a huge space station in high Earth orbit above GEO makes more sense. It could be occupied a it is being built, to be eventually be towed to Martian orbit. Time on the Martian surface would then be limited to trips from and back to orbit. A self sustaining space station may make more sense in the long run. It could eventually be relocated to other orbits, even if the trip to its new "home" took a generation to accomplish. Living in space and visiting planets might be a much better approach.
In theory, if we are more careful, the Earth could last us at least a couple billion years. That is the future we should be planning to. Yes we will need to do a lot of work to sustain the Earth, but I think the payback is better than leaving to go to an already dead planet.
Will we be "Mentally" and also spiritually prepared for that long term stay on "MARS". I say Never will happen ever ?
The idea of a permanent colony on Mars or the Moon is pure fantasy. Yes, there will be manned missions but the idea that humans will be born, live and die in a colony is nonsense. The belief that technology will eventually solve all problems ignores the insurmountable limits of our biology. We have evolved to live on Earth and there is no way around this fundamental fact. Life in a Martian or Lunar colony would be dangerous and miserable.
So nice to see good tech content and not tinfoil hat Alien garbage
My hopes are still that there is something true on LENR E-Cat for easy energy.
3D-printed structures are not a problem if they are designed to be buried. Modern light can produce sunlight for people and plants. Power is not a problem if you can transport a nuclear power station to Mars. Most things can be solved, but we have to know about them. What will bite us in the rear is the unknowns!
The deeper you dig, the more protected you are from solar radiation, the warmer it gets, and the thicker the atmosphere becomes. In a large underground air-tight cave, you can accumulate a breathable atmosphere. And deep underground is where you are gonna find all that lost water.
see: "Monstrous caverns of Mars" for more details…
Radiation will kill every person making the journey to mars. The lack of gravity over extended periods will weaken them as well. And fuel to get there is a major issue too. Getting supplies from earth is a relatively small problem.
9:39 ok so is there a natural source of methane on mars tho??🤔
Angry, I hate to say you are exaggerating the hardships, you are not but you do skew toward naysaying. Yes, 3d printing requires power but it is spread out over days and weeks the power usage will be supplied by RTG's and solar panels its more time consuming then power intensive. Most will be done remotely while the colonist sit in the shelter of their ships and temporarily habitats. Come on
If you’re feeling cold on a lonely Martian night, just hug an RTG…🤷🏾♂️
I wonder if any tests have been conducted to see what the viability of Cyanobacteria’s survival on mars may be. Like obviously you couldn’t just drop a barrel of the stuff on mars to terraform the place, but perhaps like those futuristic dome cities on mars may actually be possible by erecting a small dome, freeing the water from the minerals, control the temp, and allow the bacteria to proliferate thereby cleaning up perchlorates, and releasing O2. Meanwhile erecting a dome a bit bigger that’s connected via some tunnel or enclosed corridor and when dome 1 is rendered livable, slowly breach the corridor into dome 2 allowing the conditions to begin spreading into dome 2. Lather, rinse repeat until you’re left with your giant futuristic dome cities. Continue spreading until several hundred years later you can basically just open the doors to several domes and allow mars’ atmosphere to become filled with the dome’s environments. It’s a thought…🤷🏾♂️
No one said it is going to be easy but we have to step out of the cave..
Excellent audio on this one, thanks!!
Windows are nothing more than a very dangerous luxury.
Giant underground bunkers powered by Thorium Molten Salt Reactors or Fusion, if it ever stop being 5 to 10 years away. Basically Mars version of H.G.Wells Morlock, Maybe MarsLock? Probably one of the reason for the Boring company existence.
Mars, can we REALLY survive there?… Just read “A City on Mars” … from my experience as a biologist and bioengineer the answer is NO at least not in the near future (20-100 years)… To protect our species it is a million times easier and effective to build very deep, large scale underground survival bunkers around the earth. Colonizing Mars will not be possible until after another 100 years of technology development if then. A robust, closed ecosystem is perhaps the primary challenge. Musk’s hyperbole on Mar’s colonization is in part distracting from starlink destruction of ground based astronomy and shrouding LEO in space debris. “Star”ship will mostly end up as a military weapon and starlink delivery mechanism… In orbit refueling will take 5-10 more years…
Both on the Moon and Mars, before sending human colonists you MUST lead with many, many robot exploration, extraction, refining, processing, transporting, construction and finishing teams to build the first colony. Your gardens must be producing food and breathable atmosphere before sending humans. Your mines and refineries must be producing metals and cements and clays and glass and many other materials. Your wells must be producing volatiles, water, ammonia, methane, cyanide and other chemicals from the ices which have accumulated since the last Martian surface liquids froze and were covered with layers of windblown dust. Even that first team of human explorers must be patient, waiting to launch until robots construct, test and commence operating in situ fuel processors, deploy and bury habitat comes, erect solar and nuclear power supplies, etc. This may require multiple attempts if the robots and infrastructure require extensive redesign. Of course, I have zero confidence this approach will be used. It's a good thing the Moon is close and Elon is the god of rapid iteration.
If the Dinosaurs couldn't survive the last event…what chance do you give Humans during number 6? …. Mars might just be our life boat!..
The energy consumption you quoted for building one habitat is wrong in the Uk in 2023 the consumption for the whole country per day was 29.6 GW so your way out lets keep to the facts Jordan
Inflatables though to start are the way to go great concept but one easy way to use the regolith for building would be to use Gabions to build a structure that is strong to help supprt the roof
@Astro_Angry, they’ll need concrete answers for all those questions even before SpaceX can launch the colonists.
Important aspects that Elon hasn’t been talking about!
So what happened to the surviving astronaut? 🚀
Surely the temperature differential will be a asset for heating and cooling?
Survive, sure. Thrive, no.
Where could I find the rest of the crashed astronaut video?
Kamala Harris is doing interviews for podcasters. You should interview her and talk about Nasa and space exploration in general
Heads up, there’s no air there, have a great day.
There will most likely be a world of hurt for those who are first. I don't see it being very sustainable long term for the foreseeable future. Like 50 to 100 years.
Ok, so you're slowly piecing together the reasons why Mars is much more hostile than the asteroids…. I'm hoping it comes together for you soon. Poison dust everywhere, air that's 100 times too thin. You have to dig to be shielded from solar flares, you have to mine for water. You don't have enough protection to stop any stray meteors bigger than a washing machine… and Mars is right next to the main asteroid belt where they come from. 💥
In fact to help you understand, there are studies about living inside asteroids which are surprisingly easy to hollow out since they have almost zero gravity! And before you start the original O'Niell cylinder had giant windows because it was supposed to be funny until they realized space colonies are awesome. The windows can and should be left off in favor of modern lighting.
If you search for…
Bizarre Study Says People Can Live in Asteroids
I would like to watch the whole short of the crash and the astronaut surviving.
I think I played the game ("Surviving Mars"), so I'm good 😀
why don't they send robots and supplies first, then when they arrive they will be able to start building and working immediately
Even having the spacesuits permanently on the outside of the habitat, you can't entirely stop dust getting in, as however you get into the suit will be a point of contamination.
Probably not.
The only way any of you will ever experienced Mars, will be through neurolink from the comfort of your homes on Earth. And the only human like creatures, that are going to Mars are Tesla bots (and other similar robots).
I find it humorous that so many people are fantasizing about creating a sustainable Martian colony in an environment almost unimaginably hostile to human existence but we still haven't figured out how to live sustainably on our own planet even though every possible advantage is afforded us.
Martian colonies–anything beyond temporary exploration missions–are pure fantasy at this point. Anyone who takes the idea of colonizing Mars seriously needs to solve huge questions with regard to sustainably supporting populations of humans. This will involve major breakthroughs in biology and ecology to figure out. No one is doing that work.
dumping regolith on top of the sintered sections could offset the pressure issue without significant power requirements provided you dump enough.
props to you for mentioning the martians storms and how martian wind doesnt that way 😉
I predict the manned landing zone will be renamed Omaha Beach .. .. ..
I like the final habitat idea except for the toxic gasses in the walls of the inflatable habitat for thermal insulation, one little leak would be catastrophic, even if the chance is small, the impact is so severe, like killing everybody in the room, is to greath, so Id opt for a safer insulation even at the added weight cost that brings
How would they put on and take off the space suits if they are left outside? I understand why the suits sold be outside.
All these ideas are great but without consistent power and water everyone will die because there is not enough solar to start and yearly planet wide storms will block all solar. Unless they are planning bringing big nuclear reactors then don’t bother. Big reactors need lots of water so the first thing should be to drill for water. It might take a fleet of Starships to survive long enough to get water and power. This does not look easy.