While we’ve been discussing aggressive security staff at venues, it seems I’ve caught someone’s attention… Because the actual venue (Fete Music Hall) of said aggressive security just sent me an e-mail, pinning a lot of what happened on the We Came As Romans Tour.
00:00 Intro / Drama Makes The World Go Around
01:55 A Quick Story Refresher
03:20 The E-mail Intro
04:27 How Many People We At The Show
05:12 The Tour/Venue Security Meeting
06:54 “Eye” Witnesses
08:17 The Venue’s Existing Reputation
10:46 Video of “Security” Hitting A Girl
12:08 Someone Got Fired Over This
13:00 Did The Touring Crew Start The Fight?
16:24 The Venue Didn’t Want The Show Cancelled
19:44 Did Fans Confuse Security With Touring Crew?
21:10 Where’s The Videos?
22:32 My Gut Instinct On What Happened
24:07 More Fence Sitting / Outro
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I've seen some people asking about the validity of this e-mail, as in who sent it and where it came from, so I just wanted to attempt to clear it up:
This was not sent from someone's personal e-mail address who just claimed to work at the venue. The e-mail received came from an @fetemusic.com address, which is the official domain of the venue. The person gave me their full name as well as job title, both of which I was able to confirm were legitimate before I even talked about this on Twitch. I replied to them asking if they cared if I were to bring up this e-mail on stream, to which they replied with a second e-mail stating that it was fine as long as I omitted their name or anyone else at the venue's name due to the ongoing threats they were getting towards the venue.
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Speaking on bodysnatcher shows. I’ve been hospitalized twice at their shows😂 and I still go back every time cause bodysnatcher fans are the nicest people on earth! I had a guy try and pay for my ambulance to the hospital out of his own pocket!!!!!!
I miss the early-mid 1980s, when punk rock, hardcore & metal shows never had this kind of bullshit going on. The crowd & the bands handled their issues & there was real risk & danger, which made this scene special & genuine. I still go to lots of shows, mostly punk & hardcore (Circle Jerks, Dead Kennedys, The Queers, Terror, Harms Way) with the rare metal show (saw Exciter, GWAR, Nekrogoblikon, Napalm Death recently), but concerts now are controlled, polished, safe and respectful. Security is often more of a problem than a solution, but usually necessary in a society not willing to take responsibility for their choices, and instead blame everyone and everything but themselves, pursuing retribution via attorneys & lawsuits. Ugh.
The girl who got hit by a flailing mosher dancing, that’s why girls should not stand there in the pit.
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I would like to make a statement on this situation. I was not at the show and also have no idea what the hell is going on. But I love it. The thing that bothers me the most, say that it is true that it was the band alone who canceled the show. If that was the case and they actually asked the venue to let fans stay 45 minutes so they could at least sell merch and make money that would be kind of lame.
I live in the city and literally everyone I know pronounces it like FETT and not FATE.
"I've been to so many hardcore shows in my life" 😂
19:19 this is a huge red flag for me, they basically admitted that the touring staff didn't feel safe. And the best reason for it is if the security was the problem.
A good conclusion to an odd story
Internet mob at it again.
From the venues that I personally go to, security generally have bright neon yellow shirts that say SECURITY in bold black letters across the front and back.
As a FOH engineer, one of my biggest questions is why was the FOH engineer onstage talking to the band, and then leading a mutiny in the crowd, all while the band was onstage playing?
Doesn't the venue have any CCTV footage? Or were they "corrupted"?
Moshing just sucks, it’s absolutely cringe. Pogo I get, but moshing?! Do it like the good ol hooligans meet in the woods and bash your heads in and drive home again. It’s also ALWAYS the case that people one up each other by „uggabugga how extrem“ they can flail their Spagetti arms and start targeting and hitting others on purpose. The amount of claims security gets for NOT stepping in and protecting customers are a real thing as well. I am not the the USA and we get in real deep trouble if a customer is hit, because even during a „mosh pit“ that is still assault and it doesn’t matter what internet toughguys say – it costs us… money and reputation and customers will stay away. And if you want those pits… yeah keep it at your 20 people shows in the local community center. It does not scale. And everyone that ever had to get involved in a 150 people free for all, is aware of the dangers.
You can never please everyone. BUT what I do know is that you would NEVER release a video without doing extensive research/observation with information/witnesses. Everyone is going to have they own opinion whether that is positive/negative, or accepting/denying perspective from multiple different sources.
Just keep doing what your doing cause you are VERY good at!
Edit: unless there is something that hasn't came to light, why get rid of the security guard if you said he didn't do what witnesses are saying. I don't know the difference between security in states compared to Ireland but if a security guard here loses there cool but doesn't act completely irresponsibly to the situation or act violently unprovoked, there is almost 0% reason to "fire" them
I just feel that lutside of that moshpit many people would of had phone's out to record the concert. Since people seem to do that a lot nowadays.
So someone would of gotten footage if security would of tripped and mashed someone's face to the ground. But like you said, we weren't there.
can't wait to see this show tomorrow at red flag.
Email still smells stinky and disingenuous. Venues already underpay and mistreat musicians. Security acting out of line and bands and crew reacting is waaaaay more believable. It's not hearsay, it's corroboration.
These video are a form of media. Media is SUPPOSED TO BE non bias views, aka "sitting on the fence". Why does everything have to be so polarized? For people's validation? Personally I think the fence is exactly where everyone should be, because it seems both the venue and the tour personnel dropped the ball on this one.
Keep it up Tank! Hopefully I'll be hauling a show you're TMing one day, or at least meet you at a festival
Although the email shed some interesting perspective, it’s really hard to take it seriously for how hostile and accusatory it is. WCAR original statement was also accusatory but it was cohesive and broke down their perspective without all the random snide comments that email was littered with
That’s why I love being in NJ, starland is an awesome venue to see metal shows.
When taken to court, almost EVERY defendant claims innocence regardless of the horrible things they actually did.
The same is true when any business gets accused of wrongdoing.
Bottom line… you can't trust the word of a business. They're notorious for trying to save face.
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In the new interview of Steve OG Rock (channel name) here on youtube on his channel. Unfortunately, I can't give you the link, because otherwise youtube will delete my post.
I think the security footage not being released says everything that needs to be said. They can clear everything up very quickly.
One point to consider, the sender of the email was not witnessing what happened. He is basically writing what he's been told happened. He said himself that he was notified after the fact. :/
If their security really isn't equipped with flashlights (which I don't believe, even the front of house staff (they're not security, they're old ladies/gentlemen showing people their seats) in the theatre I work at has flashlights), that's a super irresponsible thing of the venue to do. I don't know the legalities about this, but I'm sure that the venue could be held liable in some way if something happened and it was worsened by poor illumination. Security without flashlights at a darkened venue is a nightmare waiting to happen if concert goers are not carrying phones, which is becoming increasingly common.
I hate that no matter what happens, people get death threats. That’s gotta stop. A handful of freaks ruin every criticism.
I'm with the venue on this one, facts aren't adding up
Complaining to security about getting hit in a moshpit is like complaining about getting wet at a water park. They are leaning on Karen in their defense.
Never heard of Bodysnatchers before these videos, looked them up on spotify and they are really good
“Who Fkn cares and Fk you” is right. #istandwithtank 🤣 why do people need validation, it’s stupid to get mad at someone for not picking a side and worst when the evidence is lacking
Sounds like the venue is in the clear. I trust people who run businesses more than random comments on YouTube…
In this day and age its puzzling if this venue doesn't have cameras all over the place. Possible, i doubt it though. If not then they should for reasons like this.
Never been to Fete and since this happened, a few friends have told me the venue in general is crappy in terms of the staff and ownership both. Don't see myself going there.
Honestly the venue has a lot of extremely good reviews on google, there are a few over the years complaining about security though. Did they just delete them? or are they usually completely fine?
This venue lying through their teeth. They’ll make great car salesmen!!!
If we are going to report on something, to avoid bias it is important to not pick sides.