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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Missouri senator Josh Hawley discuss his new book, “Manhood,” and break down the importance and depth of the biblical ideals that have shaped society – and particularly the west – in a historically unprecedented manner.
Josh Hawley is a constitutional lawyer, the U.S. Senator for Missouri, and the bestselling author of “The Tyranny of Big Tech.” His newest publication, “Manhood: The Masculine Virtues America Needs,” is available now and seeks to defend the positive and necessary attributes of masculinity across leadership, governance, and the everyday structure of American life. Men of character are needed for a civilization to thrive, and today’s America, the west, has openly sought to destroy the foundational and biblical principles that create them.
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(0:00) Coming up
(0:14) Intro
(1:08) Illustrative stories
(5:15) The motivation to write Manhood.
(8:03) Maternal and paternal tendencies
(11:27) The burning bush, rowing, what manifests to you
(14:45) Responsibility, meaning, mentorship
(17:08) The most powerful thing in life
(18:08) Sacrifice and hedonism
{20:28) When we come to master ourselves
(21:36) Games, pharaoh, and ordered unity
(23:45) Foundational morality in the biblical tradition
(28:03) Replacement for the central unifying narrative
(31:30) Our tradition, and why not to leave it behind
(33:17) The historic argument, the 1619 project, Wilbur Wilburforce
(36:17) The obligation of the Brits, raising the world
(38:07) Breaking the hierarchy of gods, mirrored messages
(42:19) Genesis, order from chaos
(44:08) When you remove biblical ideals
(45:10) The four horsemen of atheism, Sam Harris
(47:07) Unmoored rationality, worship of the whim
(48:22) French revolutionaries and the enlightenment
(50:37) Presuppositions in science
(52:38) Standards of truth
(54:20) The Tower of Babel, worshiping the tools
(57:34) You can rationalize anything
(59:08) DeWaal, social darwinism
(1:01:10) Rats and play, working toward future interactions
(1:05:21) Have we done better in the wake of deified science?
(1:07:37) Contrasting Epicurus
(1:08:45) Something the postmodernists got right, the drifter
(1:11:03) The detriment of pornography
(1:13:18) Harrowing statistics
(1:14:31) Male motivators in the workplace
(1:16:04) Overt demoralization
(1:18:21) Subordinating intellect to whim
(1:20:15) There is no self there, identity and gratification
(1:21:43) Where the Right goes wrong, vision and consumerism
(1:22:39) Training games, iterative trading
(1:25:34) Neoliberalism
(1:26:11) Don’t subordinate the long term to the short term
(1:29:03) Setting virtue, rules and ideal roles
(1:32:20) Sustaining meaning, adopting responsibility
(1:35:19) Your efforts can last
(1:36:10) The reality of abdicating biblical ideals
(1:40:08) God as a positive animating spirit
(1:42:31) Hardships have meaning into eternity
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Dear Jordan B Peterson, have you noticed that especially in this podcast most of the taking is done by you than the guest. I think it supposed to be the other way round. To give you an example, when senator started to share about his friend, you intrupted him and started to tell about your side of story. I have noticed this actually after watching several of your podcasts in this platform. I see your talk in different platforms and I am grateful for that, but when a guest comes please let him/ her do most most the takling to learn from them at least in this podcast. Thanks!
Absolutely and ,Exactly! I got through all the bull without these guys, how nice it would have been if these guys were around when I was 35 – 40😊love your work jordan Peterson!!!!!!
You look really good, love when a man wears a blazer and tie with jeans!!
Josh Hawley for President ❤❤❤❤❤
He absolutely correct about husband responsibility to their family go Lion of Judah
I love biblical Law
Beautiful clinical skills Peterson! Senator Josh Hawley was talking about his tragic friend sorry and you interrupted him with YOUR tragic friend story! ahhh ahhh
why is there no up to date recent bio pick of William Wilberforce? One that people might actually watch?
this doofus cant be serious .. ppl are really sheep
But the culture of reckless child bearing is born from feminism not men.
Dear Dr Peterson, please do an interview with Andrew Tate
👍🏼
Jordan, you're looking very healthy. Whatever you're doing for yourself, keep it up
34:55 the British did abolished slavery which was an amazing accomplishment.
But I would add that Islam had a role in reducing it in the Arab world before that.
Islam's approach to slavery added the idea that freedom was the natural state of affairs for human beings and in line with this it limited the opportunities to enslave people, commended the freeing of slaves and regulated the way slaves were treated:
Islam greatly limited those who could be enslaved and under what circumstances
Islam treated slaves as human beings as well as property
Islam banned the mistreatment of slaves – indeed the tradition repeatedly stresses the importance of treating slaves with kindness and compassion
Islam allowed slaves to achieve their freedom and made freeing slaves a virtuous act
Islam barred Muslims from enslaving other Muslims
About 25% of the time Jordan has on a guest who far outstrips him in intelligence and thoughtfulness, and I wish he would shut up and let that guest talk more. This interview with Josh Hawley, who is heads and leagues above JP, is a prime example.
JP you need to have Hawley back on and actually let HIM talk. This wasn’t an interview at all
It's great of Senator Hawley to come on the Jordan Peterson YouTube channel to interview Dr. Peterson
I fully agree with the true religious presuppositions that scientists operate on. Otherwise, why bother? These suppositions have a religious nature because they rely so heavily on faith. Believing there is order in reality is a huge leap of faith when you think about it rationally. However, I don't agree with Dr. Peterson on this: "Science emerged in Europe and nowhere else." This statement massively undermines the contributions other religious and non-religious societies have made to humanity. The scientific revolution that took place in Europe in the 18th century is without a doubt a significant event in human history, but it isn't the only scientific revolution. The foundation for the empirical scientific method was laid out in the 10th century by Ibn al-Haytham during the Islamic Golden Age. This period proves that religion itself isn't an inhibitor of scientific advancement as we might be led to believe. The true inhibitor is politics. The Islamic Golden Age ended when religion became intertwined with politics, reinforcing my belief that politics is the true inhibitor.
JP has a tendency to always revert back to humans being animals, one of the few aspects I disagree with him about.
Humans have a moral conscience that completely sets us apart from animals, which have instinct, but no soul or spirit to drive their nature, completely opposite of humans who are always drawn to a higher power, God.
What an AMAZING conversation , by two AMAZING men. Thank you. Both of you.
His best episode so far.
Josh Hawley ran away from the Jan 6th rioters he incited like a coward! And he has the nerve to talk about warriors and kings. He exemplifies the shadow side of all of these Jungian archetypes.
Let's keep religion out of politics how bout it.
Our tradition is freedom of religion and separation of church and state.
You don't need the bible to learn morals. It's scary to think that without the bible, y'all would probably be violent, dangerous people…hell many religious people already are violent, dangerous people.
Almost. 7,000,000 subscribers. 👍
“Heavy Lies the Crown”
Once more, thank you Dr. Peterson. This listen was very much educational to ears of the many. & eye opening to the world I’d bet. 🔥🙌
انكم.ابني.ادم.وحوي.اشكركم.جزيل.الشكر.ولامتنان.هكذا.الرجال
Josh Hawley ‘28
Peterson has helped me to say No. It's actually helping restrain future resentments.
Thank you Senator Harley and Dr. Peterson. I love your talks – I pray that more men hear this message.