How strong are the Gods/Archons compared to all of Teyvat? (Genshin Impact 4.6 Lore and Theory)

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hmmm i feel like im missing something but i dont know what lol. ive been trying to research what arlecchinos kit does but idk theres too many words ive never heard before. guess i just gotta face mash till something cool happens when i pull for her. which surely i get her btw. on a 4 50/50 character loss streak and lost the 75/25 for acheron lightcone. i will become a villain if arlecchino doesnt come home in 3 pulls and her weapon. i heard its meh but drip over life ya dig. anyway talking about gods in teyvat and archons (venti, zhongli, raiden shogun, nahida), mainly focusing on Osial cause he lowkey taught us alot about this subject, then later talking about top 3 harbingers (columbina, dottore, capitano)

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Chapters:
0:00 intro
0:36 Neuvillette and Apep
3:20 Old Neuvillette Feats
5:34 Osial vs World
10:42 Fatui Harbingers

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45 thoughts on “How strong are the Gods/Archons compared to all of Teyvat? (Genshin Impact 4.6 Lore and Theory)”

  2. 1:00 Apep: you don't look much like a dragon. What's with the tiny little body and the tiny little head?

    Neuvillette: OK when I said I have regained my original form…. I'm kinda still working on the actual … physical body part.

    Apep: looks like you're tainted with the design of the usurper to me.

    Traveler: it's kind of a sore point for him. It's a whole thing. best not to mention it.

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  4. 10:50 Nahida beats up Dottore in this scene, right? Dottore starts off already knowing he's beaten. He mentions that he OUGHT to be able to just take the gnosis by force, so why doesn't he? Well eh says it's because he wants to honour the god of wisdom. Anyone believe that crap? Anyone?

    Well Nahida and Dottore don't. Nahida even punks him by more or less saying, "oh really? why don't you try it then?"

    Dottore instantly backs down.

    This is quite the contrast as a scene with the earlier scene where Nahida fights Dottore so what has changed? it's not that nahida has 2 gnoses now – Dottore says she can't use that in a fight.

    It's almost as if Dottore knows he can't win in a fight but he doesn't know WHY he can't win in a fight and he's really curious. It makes no sense to him. He literally took her down just a few weeks earlier. He's sure he is more powerful. But he also knows he will lose if he fights. And he's curious — it's the scientist in him. "What would happen if I did fight?" What trick has Nahida got up her sleeve?

    Presumably the trick is that of destroying the Gnosis and awakening the Heavenlty Principles as Nahida reveals – although maybe not since later she seems to admit it was a bluff. But perhaps she just doesn't know what would have happened either.

    Dottore can certainly see this is not the same Nahida he fought before. On that occasion the Traveler was also helping Nahida and she lost. Traveler also helped Nahida beat Scaramouche. So Dottore applies pressure by taking down Traveler first. This ought to leave Nahida deflated and beaten.

    But instead she's almost laughing at him.

    What does she know?

    How can she be this confident?

    What the hell happened to her?

    And to make it worse somehow Pierro knew this would happen ahead of time and warned Dottore he couldn't win in a fight.

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  6. I'm seeing some good points that if Neuvillette was REALLY that much more powerful he would probably do something with it now? But I think this 'power' vs a specific 'authority' is tripping people up. Bro doesn't have a gigantic power boost across the board, but more like he just got really damn good at ONE niche thing, which is passing judgements. He can influence directly who lives and who dies and this is represented by his ability to literally separate the primordial sea (source of all life on teyvat) from the narwhal, and also when grants true blood to fontainians through that same primordial seawater.

    I think the nature of his authority is a lot more opportunistic than most are thinking because of how specific it is and also how calculating he is as the holder of it.

    Just my take from looking at 'authorities' across the honkaiverse. His looks a lot like the death/fate/rebirth authority seen elsewhere especially with the duality of pneumousia

    *edited this cause I typed it before my coffee

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  8. Ok I'll just say it here power comparable to a god doesn't mean they can fight head to head yeah they might be able to fight rex venti or raiden the moment a god dies the fatui harbinger will die too that's the severity of a gods death focalors barely suppressed her death with that sword and mind realm and let's not talk about dragons dying it's a whole new cataclysm for that nation

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  9. about Osial, we didn't even truly beat him. It was because of the Sigils of permissions' effect on the seal wearing off that Osial was practically sucked back in. If we didn't get so lucky on time, Osial probably would have just shrugged of the explosion and stood back up, ready to kill us.

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  13. Something to remember about Venti, from our very first encounter with him at the start of the game… Venti can teleport. So how can a harbinger take a gnosis from a god that can teleport? If said God wants them to have it. Not to avoid a fight in the city, he could easily do that by leaving, but he wanted her to have it.

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  18. Ok he rewrited his software but what about hardware? He is still old neuvi 😂gameplaywise…uhm hydro archon kill him/herself acceptable if he/she must listen to this guy more than a hour continuously

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  19. I don't see rukkhadevata and egeria being killed because of the war/battle during the cataclysm, since egeria became a water tree, rukkhadevata exhausted her strength to become nahida, for now makoto's the only other archon (technically) we know of that died because of the cataclysm in khaenri'ah

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  20. Hah you mentioned Neuvillette at the beginning of your first video since I finally got him. What a great coincidence lol. Also the “Fat man” reference is great. I love that cutscene where they dropped the Jade Chamber.

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  25. I come for the videos but also to fear the one and only PRIMORDIAL ONE A PROJINETOR GOD HAILING FROM BEYOND THE STARS

    Honestly I always wait to hear it in every video you release 🙂

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  28. 9:01
    WE DON'T KNOW.
    We basically only know that Morax and his crew were much stronger than Osial.

    We don't know how strong he is to his original powers even.

    In fact, we know of Salt God.

    Who's possibly much weaker cause Morax talks about her in such a way AND she was killed by mere humans, her people, in an act of betrayal.

    Yes, are you sure you check your phrasings after writing?

    It would be nice to check it more.
    I hope it's just a slip up, but i recall mot one of such in your videos, a real shame cause you have a lot of interesting ideas and takes.

    Any way, thanks for the video, cause it is an important point which i haven't seen discussed enough.

    (Upd: have a good day and Goodluck)

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  30. Let’s not forget that the Abyss Order is actively planning to create a mechanical god. However I believe this creation will be more of a mimicry of godly power, rather than a legitimate godly ascended being, since there is a repetition of mimicry whenever Khaenri’ahn warfare machinery is involved.

    And then we have the Electro Gnosis making Scaramouche a God. (“the power of a god has already been vested in the Balladeer” … “The Balladeer has become a real god — Shouki no Kami.” These are in the Archive Entries, and the tubes in Scaramouches back at the time suggest that the “power of a god” is coming from the Gnosis.)
    So, since a Gnosis has the power of a god, and Nahida used the power of TWO Gnoses specifically, so the strength of one Gnosis wasn’t enough, so it stands to reason that all Gnoses have the power of a god … and since the Gnoses are the remains of the 3rd Descender, they must’ve possessed at least 7 times the power of a god … and the 1st and 2nd Descender combined was able to overpower that??? (While the 1st Descender was in a weakened state????) Are we, as the 4th Descender going to possess such prowess as well??? … the Traveler has told us that a seal was placed upon them, and that they are evidently getting stronger with each element they acquire … when that seal gets ripped off, something crazy is going to happen.

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  32. I have a crazy theory why the Archons are weaken to the point of relying to their gnosis specially the OG 7 and why the new ones weren't:

    It has something to do with the cataclysm 500 yrs ago, and is similar to the PO losing its absolute authority, and where the Abyss/Honkai is present.

    We know how effective Abyss/Honkai is in corrupting everything and the Gods weren't exceptions:

    The three moon sisters fought each other when this appocalyptic events happen.

    Same with tataragami who people of izomu considered the land of Gods was corrupted.

    thus weakening a God can be a side effect oppun survival.

    In conclusion every God who participated in the cataclysm
    end up weaken, the survived OG 7.

    This also explained why Makoto go forth without Ei, Ei being corrupted is detrimental for inazuma, even both survive because of Ei, their power might end up weaken in the process.

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  34. i cant put into words how much your channel one of the greatest things to be in my life i legit am not joking when i say you are the funniest most witty lore channel/person like i feel with your voice and delivery you'd even make the most boring textbook interesting. legit look forward to your videos everyday as a pick me up after all chronic health issuess ruining my day.
    just typing comments became smth difficult for me and i usually listen to vids but you bring me so much joy w ur vids ill do anything to show gratitude

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  36. (sry for the long yap)
    I'm sorry but to my understanding, you talked a lot with a whole lot of nothing.
    All you essentially did was raise a question that we basically all know and the comparison power example like Osial isn't the best.

    This is my understanding of the Strength of an Archon:

    (Disclaimer: I only know the iceberg and may get the information wrong or I interpreted the informations differently so feel feel to critisize my take, not hate)

    An Archon isn't the same as any God, its a title with benefits such as Authority over a specific element, reign.

    A Gnosis is a Power Booster, its signifies the connection between the Archons and Celestia. Its made of the remains of the 3rd Descender.

    A belief/Faith/Worshipping for an Archon turns it into Power for the respective Archons they have belief/faith/worship in.

    An Archon doesn't equate to as one of the Strongest Gods but are the chosen Survirors in Archon War to be a part of the Seven.

    Every Archons Strength differs by their raw power, how much ppl has belief in them, and those who uses a Gnosis.

    I cannot make an accurate estimate on how many of their respective ppl has belief to their Archon since I haven't got a clue to their total population each, However I can guesstimate.

    (Focalors, Murata, Tsaritsa are excluded)

    1. Morax
    2. Ei
    3. Venti
    4. Nahida

    This ranking only guesstimates the ranking on how much ppl has belief in them. It's not ranked by Raw Strength.

    Morax has the most believers while Nahida has the lowest believers. (Again, the 3 are excluded)

    This is just my opinion on things, don't devour me pls.😓

    Edit: I too did yap a lot with little to know ans on how strong are the Archons.

    I cannot make a guesstimation to the Archons current Raw Strength but I was able to guesstimate the Belief. (A belief converts as Power to the Archons)

    If u really want to me guesstimate on their raw power, I'd be this but I am less confident about my speculation in this one.

    1-2. Morax/Venti (Can't decide😅)
    3. Ei
    4. Nahida

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  41. Your thumbnail shows venti, and i think he's a wierd special case. I think… he cheated the system… rather than end the existance of the anemo archon, i think in the cutscene with venty on his back passing him something that looks faintly familiar… especially in a post Masquerade of the Guilty world… I think Venti named Dvalin the Anemo archon, returning to him his right without breaking the rules.

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  42. To be fair, the only Archon that we know actually perished in the war with the Abyss was Makoto who was the actual weakest archon since she wasn't a fighter at all. Ei fought all her battles then gave her the Gnosis and speaking of Gnosis, she left the Gnosis with Ei when she went to war, otherwise it would've been lost to war of course.

    I think Venti gets downplayed too much because we've yet to see any feat of strength from him – rather all his godly feats have been in the form of "miracles" only his powers asa God could make happen. For the most part I'd assess Archon strength by their Age. Zhongli being the oldest; he is also the strongest, but Venti is the 2nd oldest, and based on what we know of how Mondstadt itself was terraformed it's pretty clear Venti is up there in strength as the current 2nd strongest known (That we've met) Archon.

    In Nahida's case, she had only just been freed from what was essentially a womb-tomb, and had seen 0 combat in her life aside from the fight with Hat Guy, so of course a Fatui Harbinger who is hundreds of years old is stronger than her. He does use the words "at current" representing that given more time to actually grow into her role, she would overpower him as would be expected of a God.

    The whole Top 3 Harbingers having power that contends with Gods statement from Nahida really does get over-used because as it was said in this video, the power gap between the weakest "Gods" like Adeptus and the strongest Gods aka the Archons is massive. While there's Adeptus who possess power far beyond that of mortals, there's also actual full fledged Gods like Osial and Beisht, and God-like beings such as Andrius, and I beleive the Top 3 Harbingers fall soemwhere in this in-between, but nowhere near a full fledged Archon like Ei casuallly one-shotting the God Orobashi the second it decided to effectively commit suicide attacking the surface world of Inazuma.

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  45. one thing you didn't mention was how skirk sensed that he was not only an equal to her but also had the power to rival the human realm, which quite possibly means every archon, vision holder, and elemental being combined

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