Have you ever wondered just how much of Metallica’s iconic sound can be traced back to Dave Mustaine? In this video, we explore his contributions during Metallica’s early days and how they shaped the band’s trajectory. It’s a fascinating dive into one of metal’s most debated topics, breaking down the myths and uncovering the truth about Mustaine’s legacy with Metallica.
Chapters:
Intro: 0:00
Dave Mustaine’s Metallica Era: 1:03
The 6 Mustaine x Metallica Tracks: 2:52
What Might Have Been: 9:58
Final Thoughts: 13:44
Outro: 15:16
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Dave Mustaine’s influence on Metallica is one of the most debated topics in metal history—this breakdown hoperfully finally separates some of the myth from the reality. 🤘 What do you think—is Mustaine Metallica’s unsung hero or just part of the story?
Metallica and Megadeth are the Yin-Yang of Heavy Metal. Metallica is often slower than Megadeth, but Megadeth is never heavier than Metallica. Lyrically, Hetfield is way more of a poet that expresses his own thoughts and emotions, while Mustaine is more of a screenwriter. His lyrics are less personal, and more about creating a scene for the audience. Metallica riffs are generally easier than Megadeth riffs, but are generally more memorable. Megadeth guitar solos are much more advanced than Metallica's, but Metallica solos are some of the most iconic solos ever recorded. When it comes to playing live, Megadeth rarely change their setlist and are extremely consistent…. Metallica are a bit inconsistent, but never play the same set twice in a row. All of these differences are the results of very different personality types, which is why they couldn't work together.
This was such a great video. Hopefully it will reach more viewers. I agree with Dave been fundamental in the very early days of Metallica, but his contributions get over exagerated. He was credited for what he did for. I dn´t necessarly agree on him composing the two other parts of horsemen, it was Cliff who came with "Sweet home alabama" rip off, Mustaine jammed with him though. And the bridge, he definetly wrotte the intro to that, but the rest is Hetfield´s far as my understanding goes. Also, been such a good riff Mustaine would later used it. And he definetly didn´t wrotte a thing on Lepper Messiah.
However, Mustaine unadvertedly inspired part of a Metallica song in the black album (drum roll please): Enter Sandman. What happend was in 82´ they came together with an idea of using a prayer into a song, said prayer was "now i lay me down to sleep". Now, who came with the idea and who with the prayer is still for debate, but was a Dave-James thing (My guess is James came with the idea, Mustaine with the prayer). Coincidentially both bands incorporated this idea almost at the same time, Dave with Megadeth in "Go to hell" and James for Metallica in "Enter Sandman" wich ignited an infurating fight by Dave claiming James riped him off. Now the movie in wich Dave´s song features was premiered in july of 91´, but he did played that song about May that year. However, gor the time go to hell was premiered the Black Album was already recorded and just geting the last touches, in fact, Metallica´s demo predates incorporing the prayer before Megadeth. Crazy coincidence.
I've never saw anyone claiming Mustaine wrote all their four first albums. You're just strawmanning to get more traffic on your channel because of lack of competent content and ideas.
That's weak af bro.
I don’t care. Rust in Peace is the greatest metal album ever and that is enough for me.
Bol
After puppets Metallica went down hill
At first I thought that Dave has to have made a comparable amount to Kirk when you factor in songwriting credits, but boy was I wrong. $14M vs $200M.
At the end of the day, I take EVERYTHING Dave claims as a grain of salt. He says he wrote the additional riffs for The Four Horsemen BUT I don't buy it. He also claims that he wrote almost riff on the song Ride the Lightning.
If Dave remained in the band, I guarantee the band would have imploded. He probably would have got them hooked on heavier drugs. He also would have pushed for more control.
for the solos on kea, the producer agreed that Kirk would play the first 4 bars to each solo exactly the same that dave played, and the rest of the solo had to be similar but he could put his own twist on it.
Mustaine wrote four songs in Kill 'em All, The Four Horsemen, Metal Militia, Phantom Lord, and Jump In The Fire. These tracks were weak, except for Horsemen. He also wrote one spider chord riff in Ride the Lightning (song) and the intro in Call of Ktulu and both of them are not even the best part of the song. He even claimed that one riff in Leper Messiah, which I don't believe, his riff tape, and the riff in Lepper Messiah sounded so different.
Most people are over exaggerating Dave's work in Metallica when, in reality, it wasn't really that big, but it definitely helped Metallica in their early days, and I could say that Ride the Lightning to Black Album is a legendary run.
you didnt really separate myth from reality, you just added your opinion. what you missed to mention i think is the fact Jaymz didnt even play guitar when Dave joined. so Daves influence cannot be underestimated on how much it shaped Metallica. In my opinion, Metallica have been trash since they lost Cliff.
Agree with this video, and it's how I have always seen it. His name appears on the credits. Even Kirk said that he purposely kept the intros to the solos and a few of the licks to keep the fans happy at the shows but he always did his own thing in between.
Dave didn't want to give royalties to Chris Poland for his Rust In Peace solos but wants royalties for solos he didnt even perform lol
I am a bigger Megadeth fan than Metallica. It is a shame he had to keep whining about Metallica and this brief part of history he was involved in. His music far surpassed anything they did in terms of technicality and variety.
Lastly, I disagree with the sentiment that if you quit/leave/get fired from a band you get to take all your contributions with you. They were developed with the band/for the band and that's where it should stay.
What's the music playing in the background?
Rubbish up your ass! Clearly you are a Metallica fan not a Megadeth fan. Face it Metellica would not be the band they WERE without his influence
3 words… Rust In Peace… Dave wins.
metallica is better without Dave
Dave Untamed Mustang is as FOS now as he was 40 years ago . He didn't shape the Metallica Sound or Music what so ever . James and Lars had some Cover songs of Other bands and Some Original Songs already composed in 1981 before Dave ever showed uo in this band . Dave Claims James was Just a Singer when Dave showed up , which is nonsense . So James became a Down Picking Guitar Playing Singing Metal Maniac Genius when Dave showed up in 1981 ?
Dave's demise in Metallica is when he almost killed the entire band in Laramie , Wyoming when He fell asleep at the wheel driving the U Haul into a ditch with James Truck Attached to it in a Snow Storm Blizzard in March 1983 on their way to Rochester , NY . This is why they threw Dave in the back of the U Haul the Rest of the way there . This is why James refers to Dave was on his way to killing the entire Metallica band somehow was said in the VH1 Megadeth Behind The Music .
James and Lars had to Re-Write the lyrics for The Four Horseman and Jump In The Fire . They were too 80s Hair Sex Metal in their original versions . Phantom Lord and Metal Militia Were James and Dave written 50/50 . Call Of Ktulu Intro is Dave's . Dave Claims a Riff in Lepar Messiah is his . What's Ironic is Dave gets Royalties for The Four Horsemen and Mechanix . Highly unusual . Metallica couldn't sue Dave for Copyright infringement because Dave was the Primary Composer for both compositions .
In all honesty, people with over 30 years old (being generous!) who are still talking about this need SERIOUS THERAPY lol.
On Joe Rogans podcast he said theres a "part" of his on the 3rd record. Didn't say which part unfortunately
Dave wrote all the solos pretty much for the whole album…
also,
Dave is Bob Rock's real father, and he wrote the Black Album back before Kill em All was made… prove me wrong
I love Dave, for all he is and has done in the realms of metal,,,
But for real, Kirk Hammett's solos in the 80s blows Dave's away,,, even if Dave is technically more technical… technically
Fact is, James and Dave contain TOO MUCH testosterone for one band,,, they were fated to split into 2 bands
There's no way Dave's playing did not influence James's when they were teenagers. Imagine you're 19, and you meet the guy that invented spider chords.
I believe kirk couldnt play them as well as dave lol
You look like a white ice cube
Dave is the biggest part of the big 4. Like it or not.
I wish I had come across this video sooner so I could really be part of the conversation. No one is going to see this comment. lol Anyway, I think you are totally correct about about Dave's contribution. One thing I have wondered about, and there's no way to prove this because it is intangible, is how much influence Dave might have had on Metallica's early burgeoning hype because of the fierce raw fury of his playing and possible stage presence (and you know he couldn't keep his mouth shut). I'm not saying it was all encompassing or anything, and I'm not taking away Lars' business savvy. I just wonder though if Dave contributed to them getting offered a record contract as soon as they did. I'd love to hear from people who were at those early shows.
That spider chord riff in RTL was simplified by Metallica, though. They actually don’t play it like you did. He ended up using something similar, but with the spider chords, in Wake Up Dead. Also, Hangar 18 has some of the exact chords as Call of Ktulu.
Mustain is the GOAT
I've never heard anyone say Dave wrote all their best stuff! Only what he's stated. Those six.
Dude just let it go. He wrote some riffs but he did not shape their early music.
Dude Jump in the Fire is a crap tune. It's just a chromatic scale. Kinda weak. That's why they don't play it any more.
The fact that Dave shaped their sound and their direction is huge regardless of how many songs or riffs he wrote 😉
honestly, they got way better without him. Most of their albums are superior to kill and ride. Sure, he wrote Ktulu and Horsemen, those are great. But stuff like Jump In The Fire…among Metallica's weakest songs.
I never liked him as a riff writer.
While people say Mustaine is the one who "wrote 'em all", people always overlook his replacement 's contribution. Apart from iconic solos, there would be no Enter Sandman, "die" chant riff from Creeping Death, no bridge in Battery, no "come crawling faster" part of MoP and many more without Kirk Hammett.
Megadave denier. My answers are 1. He didn't do it. 2. He deserved to get fired for doing it.
Why say this? Because it's hilarious watching boomers huff copium trying to understand my nonsence.