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Helluva Boss is a widely popular online series that recently got into some trouble. As it turns out the animation studio Spindlehorse has a lot of allegations of abuse on their hands, but how much of it is true? Would a Tumblr post lie about fake situations or is there perhaps more to the story than we first thought. . .
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0:00 Intro
0:41 What is Helluva Boss?
4:19 Allegations
6:58 HelloFresh
8:00 Looking Past the Lines
15:05 What now?
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26:11 Drawing Contest
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SOO GLAD YOU MADE THIS VIDEO !! genuinely so happy for all the clarification with everything, i will definitely be linking this videos to people who find the whole “situation” to be 100% true based off of literally a handful of tweets and everyones bad memory!
i feel that the hate for viv and her creations is something that comes from jealousy as i notice it tends to come from OTHER artists both big and small, but i don’t think people recognize the pathway she is creating FOR those indie artists/animators…honestly her creations are a big step for indie animation !!
whether people actually enjoy the show or not is a whole other thing, you can dislike a show without creating lies about the creator and in this case lies about the whole studio?
either way thank you so much for this video !
I look up to Viv and her crew and want to support her but I will be completely honest it is really hard for me not to believe these claims to an extent mostly bc the company is still new and is just obviously gonna have hiccups and mismanagement. Not only that but following Viv on twitter she did conduct herself in a very… candid way sometimes. Its not necessarily bad but it's certainly not the most professional.
As for evidence, since this is all coming out in hindsight the supposed victim would not have thought about gather that proof back then because they were probably unaware there was a problem until thinking about it further. This makes it dicey because even if it is true there's literally nothing that can be done. I think it's important to take these allegations more as precautionary.
There is an unfortunate and kinda suspicious amount of drama following Viv.
Just because most people have come out in her defense also doesn't mean she or Sam didn't make bad decisions or enemies with a few other people either.
But most of this is pretty petty if you ask me….
9:20 This doesn’t check out. Al made a cameo in an animated short with GWAR, a band whose content is arguably even edgier that HB.
Like I said, I don’t wanna pick sides, since I don’t wanna mark accusations as legit.
(And also I’m patient, not like the impatient fans, I’m just someone looking for content.)
The accusations sounded to me like a disgruntled ex-employee that couldn't handle to work load and decided to blame it partially on Vivziepop. They do take some responsibility by saying that the animation industry isn't for them, but why they felt the need to portray the entire thing like it was a toxic work environment makes me squint. Also not responding back to people who do tests is unprofessional but also doesn't warrant a callout. Overall it seems like dumb drama especially with how other workers under spindlehorse didn't have such negative experiences.
Hey, remember you made a terrible video about Zoophobia? Great times.
Shut up you freaking bad person I forgot what you did
Ah yes, a person is a child predator if they make a drawing… By this same logic all furries are zoophiles, all video games cause violence and we cannot watch any shows or read any books because if we engage with our imagination at all, we only do it because we want such things in reality with 1 to 1 accuracy.
Has anyone ever given any thought to what such a claim means before making it? Lucky for us that human psychology doesn't work like that, because otherwise we wouldn't be able to function as a species.
I still think Viziepop Medrano is innocent 😇, she would never do bad things when she works at the Spindlehorse Toons studio. She did not mistreated her employees, she wanted all of these episodes to be finished in the production, but to do that, she needs to sell more merch to make more money for the project fund, it's the only way to keep it up and make the animation to finish it.
Sam Haft did mistreated Vivienne Viziepop Medrano back then.
the only thing i care about is seeing how the show goes. its great and interesting. I would like to see the other show going as well.
Kinda sux that people put more energy into cancelling the stuff they hate/are annoyed at, instead of putting their energy into canceling stuff that actually does harm
To others
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if there was actual abuse going on with Helluva Boss, but not because of any of this, just because the entertainment industry in general has and has had for a century a tendency to breed abusive monsters.
If somehow it did happen it would only be one of many.
Honestly I’ve heard a lot of people came out talking against viv so I wouldn’t be surprised if all of this is true really. I heard a good chonk of people did come out. Viv never confirmed nor denied the allegations and instead let other people speak for her. Idk that’s really weird to me.
Mexico is NOT South America 🙁 I hate the exclusion just because English is not our native language
I REALLY hope this isn’t true
hi
Good Lord, and here I am, not even knowing that a problem this big was going on.
I hope all this get a solution, because if not, well, I must admit that thinking about the consecuences scare me.
Hey daft Erin said you tried to pry information from her when she wasn’t comfortable doing so
accused of not getting their pronouns right
Fake? Just like Dafts allegations against Don.
The idea of "if job is stressful then leave" kind of rubs me the wrong way, people don't work in shitty places because they want to, but because they need to keep a roof over their head and food on the table. Even if you're looking for other opportunities, you might still stay in that bad job for the time being because it pays *something*, especially with animation, which seems to be a tough career path, like many other creative jobs. That's not to imply Spindlehorse is in fact a bad work environment, like daft put it, evidence is cloudy at best, but the "bad boss leave job" take is… a hot one in my opinion, especially with how the cost of living has been going up, like, everywhere recently. Leaving your job because it burns you out is sadly a luxury.
Not to be that person but Mexico IS NOT in South America 😬
I'll be honest, any allegation against Vivian and or her crew is nothing of a shocker to me. For now, we shall wait if they're true or not, and while I am striding for the latter, I'll be ready if the former comes out as righteous.
I don’t know man… there’s a lot of claims both ways I am very unsure what to think
But I’ll avoid watching helluva boss just in case
Also when you asked a leader about how it worked and she blocked you that is very suspicious
"making me say this" liar
And I thought the pyro controversy was confusing….
Yeah when I first saw this on drama channels like Clownfish tv I figured there was more information. I was right there was a fan channle following the situation as it unfolded and actually did a thorough search instead of just reading the tweets then calling that news.
I've never understood why people who "love" the media, are trying to destroy the creator with, as you said perfectly yourself, a game of telephone. People don't care about facts, they care about fiction that they made up themselves and it's just… so sad.
this was a well-made video
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OK i done, the only reason people are trying to tear her down is cause what… you don't like her.
this feels biased
Part of me is disappointing in Vivziepop; she's definitely one of my biggest influence. Part of me is telling me to hear two sides of a story. This is what happens when fame and ego gets the best of you (not you, like Butch Hartman and Thomas Astruc); hope Vivziepop can learn from her mistakes.
Great video!! Are you planning on reviewing the Monkey Wrench Pilot by Zuerel? Would love to see what you think of it!
From what I remember, the snake bathtub is actually about a different minor and a teacher (both males, the former blonde and the latter a brunette) dating in Zoophobia and that was Viv’s fan art. There was another of a character being tied up with snakes.
if you’re new here, just speed up the video. half of it is this guy pausing between words for no reason
Personally, I love Viv's work, but I didn't let that change how I felt about the situation. Considering the claims have had little to no evidence behind them and how people currently working with Viv have said they're not true, I'm not inclined to believe them any time soon.
I feel like if there was a full blown hierarchy, there's be some discord screenshots of that
How the hell am I supposed to believe you when your a literal sellout.
So just a bunch of butt hurt envious babies making up lies, nothing new. Also vivzie isn't a pedo, but Julia Vickerman is.
Helluva Boss is such an awesome show. It isn’t my favourite web show but it is so funny and I like how there is world building too
Maybe I’m misunderstanding something but it’s weird to me that the whole villainous thing was even included?? Like… Even if they were confirmed, that she was talking shit… Who cares?? She’s allowed to tear apart another show if she doesn’t like it? I mean at most you can say maybe she was making people uncomfortable or being obnoxious about it and those are character flaws and all but are we really putting stuff like that on a document accusing her of abuse?? Like… That’s not evidence. Someone having a different opinion than you about a cartoon you like, even if they’re kind of annoying about it, isn’t evidence they’re a bad evil person.