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This was one of my favorite episodes in season 2, thanks for the reaction!
3:40 , if you remember, in some earlier episodes we see Xie Lian's mom when he was a kid, and it's that lady dressed in gold and white (thus we can guess that the guy in black and red next to her is his father)… I won't spoil anything so I'll let you guess what all of this means
This was posted just as I was checking for something to watch! It was a rally nice surprise
You honestly understood the episode way faster than me when I first read itš I had to keep rereading bits to understand what the fuck is going on but you got it in one go! Damn š
This was a great episode, clearing up the whole mystery, even though Xie Lian didn't want the truth to get out and taint Qianqiu's worldview. Still, Qianqiu deserved to know the real story, to face the fact that – no matter how much you want people to get along, sometimes they do terrible things to one another. But Qianqiu did go on to rule his country peacefully and the two factions grew more accustomed to/accepting of each other. Xie Lian did the best he could and it had good results overall. That he didn't foresee Anle's treachery or Qi Rong's behind-the-scenes manipulation of young Anle wasn't his fault, but Xie Lian takes everything as his responsibility and therefore all the blame is on him so he thinks.
Something thatās very important to remember: while Qi Rong keeps saying āit was the Xianle people who wanted to kill the royal familyā, and keeps talking like what he did was the will of the Xianle peopleā¦ most of the Xianle people were living reasonably well. Most common people donāt really care who they pay their taxes to, as long as those taxes donāt gut them. The people who wanted this massacre were a group of dissatisfied descendants of noble families from Xianle, who wanted the old privileges they had. It wasnāt āthe will of the peopleā, it was a small group of ex-nobles who couldnāt care less for The People who committed the massacre.
I've just finished watching your reaction, this is so emotional!
I absolutely love this episode.
IDKY, they didn't show what happened to Fang Xin royal preceptor after he had killed Lang Qianqiu's father and Anle. But Qianqiu said in one of the previous episodes that he had killed the preceptor (well, he had thought so). In the novel he literally had driven a stake through Xie Lian's heart and then buried him alive in a triple coffin, where Xie Lian spent about a hundred years.
Imagine how Qianqiu felt when he realized that his mentor had been alive inside the coffin all the time. Though Qianqiu wanted to take revenge, he definitely didn't want his mentor to suffer like this.
That's funny that having left the coffin Xie Lian ended up in the Crescent Kingdom where he met Banyue. He had never told her about his past as the royal preceptor, but after he had died as "General Hua" she became the royal preceptor of the Crescent Kingdom. And she also wanted to finish the ancient grudge between two nations. After she made her choice to do the only thing she could do to finish the war, she accepted death. Moreover, she had suffered as a ghost for a very long time, being executed repeatedly.
That's very touching that the girl Xie Lian's had been caring of, repeated his fate.
(Xie Lian obviously has an impact on the children he saves)
Going back to Lang Qianqiu. At the end of the episode Xie Lian told Hua Cheng that it would have been better if Lang Qianqiu only hated the one person, not the whole nation. It's another reason why he took all the blame, he didn't want Lang Qianqiu to repeat his mistakes.
800 years ago after the Kingdom of Xianle had been defeated in the war with YongAn, Xie Lian also plotted the killing of all the YongAn's citizens. He nearly executed his plan, but then changed his mind. The consequences were so traumatizing, that he still feels guilty and always sacrifices himself for others, trying "to atone" his sins.
He didn't want the same fate for Lang Qianqiu.
i don't blame what xie lian do & really support for what he do. his past really a nightmare,if i'm in his position i think i can't survive. i'm glad hua cheng really by his side. hua cheng said is true. everyone is useless.
So XL did not even really kill the king either (except technically). The King was already mortally wounded. XL just had to stop him from speaking to his son and inciting a war / oppression of Xianle people. So as you say, XL took allthe blame on himself to protect a large number of people. Hopefully if LQQ thinks it through calmly, he'll see that. He might also recognize eventually that XL has been through a helluvalot more than he has and is considerably more mature.
But you can see from this that XL did know who was responsible. So then who killed Anle?
Sure, MDZS is good, but let's get some Thousand Autumns up in here too!!
My comment disappeared, so take two! I loved this reaction. I think the donghua team really excelled over the novel in this instance. We're told the truth of what happened at the guilded banquet, but we didn't experience it in real time like we did here. It was so gut-wrenching for everyone, even those who've read the novels.
I'm excited you're starting MDZS! I've not watched it yet because I'm in the middle of the novels, but I've heard great things about the donghua. There is a live action as well. Netflix has all 50 episodes of The Untamed. It got incredibly popular world wide and won tons of awards. Because of its popularity other novels were green lit for live action. Heaven Official's Blessing wrapped up their 60 episode live action a while ago, but China currently has a ban on any and all BL content, even censored, from being released at the moment. A lot of productions are waiting to get the go ahead for a release.
Can't wait for ur reaction to mo dao zu shi!
The vision that Xie Lian had while talking to the king was a flashback to his own parents; though we won't find out what actually happened to them for a good while. He doesn't go to the banquets because they remind him too much of his own family.
Edit: I'd be so excited if you watched Mo Dao Zu Shi!!! It's by the same author, and also one of my favorites
One of my favourite episodes. While reading the novels I realized my favourite parts were about Xie Lian's past so I'm super excited to see this part animated. They did it justice in my opinion. Now can't wait for the rest, hope they renew the show until its end so there are more glimpses into the past (and I hope they gather enough international following so that they can leave the story as it is without having to worry about conservative Chinese censorship). And poor Qianqiu.
Yaaaay you finally got the answers to a lot of your questions! Man, this episode was so sad. Without giving away spoilers, I think Xie Lian suffers from severe self-loathing, and he thinks he's saving people the trouble of hating more people by taking all the blame onto himself. In his mind, he deserves it anyway based on other parts of his past we've yet to explore, so why muddy the waters? Man, I love a good character study and Xie Lian's psyche is as complex as they come!
If they follow the flow of the novels, I think we'll learn more in season 3. I can't wait! I've really enjoyed your reactions–you bring a steady and rational viewpoint to the show's story beats that's a lot of fun to watch! Thank you!
I'm so excited you're watching mdsz next. It's an awesome show!!
Spoiler ahead:
The flashback Xie Lian has are of his parents, they both hung themselves after the fall of their kingdom and didn't wanna be a burden to XL.
Damn this ep was so painful š„²š„²š„²
Loved your reaction! Was very emotional. Xie Lian really deserves to get all the emotions he's held in to come out.
It's sad because he seemed genuinely happy with the life he had as the preceptor, and perhaps ready to move on past trauma. Only to see it all wiped away. š
Excited for the next two episodes
The sad part is that I understand both sides of the argument between Xie Lian and Hua Cheng. Xie Lian is essentially saying that one person, him, should suffer rather than a whole group, while Hua Cheng is saying, but then YOU'RE going to suffer. There's also the argument on whether or not Lan Qianqiu should've learned about the truth. Hua Cheng says he should know, because he does deserve to and it would clear Xie Lian's name. However, Xie Lian makes the argument that ignorance is bliss, which is also quite fair because now Lan Qianqiu knows that BOTH his best friend AND his mentor lied to him for years. Would it not have been better for him to just believe his best friend was kind to him?
I also love how this ties back to what Xie Lian said about how to stop two people fighting. Xie Lian sees the two people who are no longer hurting each other, but Hua Cheng sees the third person who got hurt.
"You slimy Assassin's Creed wannabe," is probably my new favorite phrase, thank you. š¤£
Also, this episode HURT. It took me a while, even after reading the books, to understand what happened, but even then, I didn't think the animation could hurt worse than the books. This episode proved me entirely wrong. We got a glimpse into XL's past, and after knowing how things played out for him hundreds of years ago, that made this episode even more painful. š I'm really sad that we've only got two more episodes after this and the season will be over. Really hoping we're blessed enough to get more. Glad you're still enjoying it and came on this ride with us!! ā¤
Side note about MDZS when you get to it: I loved it, but I think that's partially because I supplemented it with the books and the live action show. The donghua was…fast-paced and honestly kind of confusing. I'm sure we'll be happy to answer any questions you have, of course! š But just thought I'd throw that out there so you're not completely flabbergasted. I am really looking forward to what you think of it, especially since it was my very first donghua and has a special place in my heart. Also, you pronounced it really well!
the most curious thing is that yong an was actually a rural city in xian le where the poorest population lived, what happened was a civil war
but if you look at it from another angle, everyone is part of xian le, the point is that the capital of xian le dominated itself like this when yong an dominated itself with the name of the city