We can unpack my strange and confusing feelings about Caiatl at a later date, I wanna talk about HOW JUICY THE WRITING GOT IN SEASON OF THE CHOSEN BECAUSE HOT DAMN THERE ARE SOME FANTASTIC MOMENTS HERE!
Also, Presage was very confusing but I’m sure it’ll all make sense in time. Especially if I finally catch up on my Hive lore. :^)
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All peak seasons contain crow imo
It hasn't peaked just yet :), I mentioned it on one of your earlier videos. Around the time of Arrivals forward, Bungie gets a MUCH firmer grasp on the story. Not that it was bad before, but you can tell they have really sharpened how they are writing the narrative, setting up seeds for future plot points, and pulling on old ones. Especially the characters, everyone is way deeper and more complexly written, Caiatl is a big one, she first gets name dropped all the way back in I think Dawn? and slowly built up to now. I'm so glad you take the time to read the extra material and really listen to what the characters say, Destiny's story is really good, but starting now and all the way to final shape, you get to have so many "holy shit" moments, with reveals, and realizing where all the pieces line up, its gonna be fun.
Also, I have to give Bungie all the points for mirroring the shot with Crow and Zavala to your character shooting Uldren. Such good visual storytelling, so much so they literally flashed between the 2 shots in a few trailers.
Ah, Season of the Chosen. The Season where I started playing Destiny for the first time
“Uldran’s rotted tykes” is referring to the scorn
This season was very well received by the community
Second best season imo, and definitely the start of the best in-game storytelling (as you found out with the lack of background reading you had to do going into it lol)
Enjoy the twisting mystery brooding with all that glykon mission info, and keep that crown in mind, it’s been around all the way back in shadowkeep in one of the raid bosses you watched in your previous videos!
As I said in your previous video, take an eye on Osiris during these seasons👀👀
cabal are space romans, peace means being part of the empire, if you don't join, you're just another enemy
so yeah her "deal" was just being ruled by her
A Destiny reaction early? Why thank you. I shall accept gladly.
Wow, the edits in this video are really well done!
The problem with Caiatl's deal is that she would be conquering us and ruling us. We wouldn't be able to choose our own battles or opt out of encounters that could be certain death. We wouldn't truly be allies, just another weapon in her arsenal.
Also, as a heads up, not too long before this season, the Cabal lost their homeworld, Torobatl, to Xivu Arath. Due to Cabal tradition, which says that Cabal are exiled until they win their conquest, this means Caiatl and her empire are now permanently exiled until they can conquer their own homeworld again. It also means that the shreds of the Red Legion left over can't go home until they have conquered something in Sol.
Like I said in another comment, keep an eye on Osiris in the next few seasons 🙂
On a thursday? :O
I don't quite know if this is THE peak, but Chosen was definitely a good season storywise – especially that bit at the end with Zavala reaching out to offer Crow a hand, directly paralleling that one shot from Forsaken where Uldren shoots Cayde while he's down.
It also gave us the Dead Man's Tale, which (while it has fallen from its original glory) is still a wonderful exotic to use – as of this season, they've actually brought it and its mission back via the exotic mission rotator, so if you want to you can also experience the horrors of the Glykon!
P.S: as far as I'm aware (could be wrong on this, though), Caiatl did want to ally with humanity from the start – but because the Cabal are the Cabal, she ended up having to take a traditional route to please the people and not end up like her dad. As we see by the attempt on Zavala's life, that still doesn't completely stop any resistance to the human-Cabal alliance, but it did work long enough to get it to happen.
Season of the Chosen is among my favorites, story wise.
In regard to the Presage mission, there is lore that explains some things, but as you figured, a lot of it is meant to be a mystery. Also I like this mission as a good example that Bungie can still absolutely do cosmic/space horror, as they did with the Flood in Halo.
The tower and its guardians are pretty blind to themselves. Especially Zavala; being so devote to the force of light even tho it has not done anything but prove that when things get spicy (the traveler will run the fuck away)
Legendary intro to the video
1:13:00 Remember Uldren created the Scorn.
Hey, I don't know if this is of your interest, but there is a very very known lore-focused content creator called My Name Is Byf.
You could watch some of his videos from back then and maybe they'd clear some doubts.
One video that you should most definitely watch before playing the Witch Queen DLC is either Dynasty or the Complete Destiny Story (4 hour vid lol).
They contain crucial info about the hive that comes into play on WQ.
Dynasty is more focused on the former, but if you want to get more things clear about the Destiny lore you can watch the long vid which covers everything from Origins up to Shadowkeep.
Haven’t watched the vid yet but season of the Chosen is definitely when bungie starts popping off on story. Plus they introduce my 2nd favorite character Caitle. Cant wait for you to meet my favorite character down the line though😉 .You’ll definitely love the next few seasons as they got some of the best narrative imo.
ur so real for that mild crow crush loll
Ah, one more thing to add. Sadly, there are little pieces of dialogue you're going to miss when reacting, cause these pieces played only when launching the season activity. Some pieces were casual and not important, but some were really interesting, especially in the coming seasons. I don't know if you have time, but you can recover them in the channel "Destiny lore vault" here on youtube, you'll find everything 😊😊
One of the best shots in the series is Zavala reaching out to Crow. It mirrors the Uldren aiming down at Cayde shot. I remember a piece of art that showed up on reddit around this time that was kinda of like a Japanese style ink painting that had them mirrored in the center, but I've never been able to find it again.
The shot of zavala helping crow up mirrors the shot from forsaken with uldren aiming at cayde on the ground. Just a neat detail.
The Season of the Chosen might be one of my favorites. Caiatl’s character is awesome and it’s really cool to see all the different intercharacter dynamics play out. If you go back and look at Cayde’s death in Forsaken, you may notice the blocking of Uldren and Cayde is a mirror of Zavala reaching a hand to Crow.
But my favorite thing about this season is the Presage mission and how it continues the Calus storyline. Since some important details originate from sources outside the game, I wanted to give a little extra context. When Calus was overthrown, Caiatl requested his life spared, so he was put on a prison barge and sentenced to eternal exile in space. Eventually he turned it into a pleasure barge, the Leviathan.
Somehow Calus supposedly managed to reach the very edge of the universe itself, and when he stared into that abyss, he was given a vision of the end of everything. One interesting thing is that the abyss is described very similarly to the Orisis expedition that you read before Season of Arrivals. He says it declared him a Herald of the end and he claimed the “right to be last,” that is the last living thing in existence as it all ends. Of course that’s not what happened. The Darkness arrived in the system and the world didn’t end. Calus’ experiments on the Glykon are him seeking answers from the Voice in the Darkness on why it seemingly ignored him.
Also I think Destin may have missed a cutscene in Beyond Light. It explains that Io, Titan, Mercury, and Mars all vanished from existence, alone with Sloane and Asher Mir. However weird gravitational anomalies still exist where the celestial bodies once were. The Glykon was flown into Mars’. Also, the plant infestation (Egregore) is not necessarily Hive in origin but just seems to manifest in places where the presence of the Darkness is strong.
Looking forward to the next installment! I’m glad you’re enjoying the story so much. It’s definitely my favorite thing about Destiny.
Strongly recommend reading the lore books from Presage.
might be time you talk to BYF guardian
Fun fact when xavala helps up crow it mirrors uldren killing Cayde. (Visually)
Those Psion assassins were apart of a rogue group of Psion’s and some Cabal known as the Conclave. It was founded by Amtec (the Psion who orchestrated for the Almighty to crash into the Last City), and is led by Yirix.
This the start of the seasonal stories becoming really good.
Saving Zavala Saved Caiatl. Yeah Zavala is out of the way, but then she'd be left with Ikora. She nor the Cabal would survive that lol.
You should go over the raids at some point. The crown of sorrow is from the raid of the same name. You will also learn a lot of lore if you start from year one and go from there.
"Uldren's rotted tykes" = the Scorn
1:10:18 yea don't worry this is something people didn't quite understand at 1st & had to peice it over time, there's also a lore book called "Captains Log" that goes over the events of what happened on the Glykon ship
If you remember back in the Season of Opulence. That the raid was called Crown of Sorrow . The crown was a trap set for Calus by non other then the Witch Queen Savathun herself. That crown is a artifact of Savathuan
Before you go to the next season, watch the fan made edit of the intro cutscene. Look up “Destiny 2 excuse me”, it’s one of the most fun things I’ve seen
I started to play Destiny during this season, I couldn't understand what was going on but I was living for the DRAMA lol.
Oh boy, I really want to see your reactions in the next couple of seasons. It's going to get CRAZY.
One of my favorite things about this season is that it's heavily implied that because of the proud nature of the Cabal, Caiatl couldn't simply offer us an equal alliance with the Cabal without possibly starting another civil war in he ranks. So instead, she incited a small scale conflict with us she fully expected the Vanguard to win, in order to appease her people by having them surrender to a force that bested them in combat. Limited losses for Caiatl, and she gets the alliance she wanted.
Caiatl is the best character in Destiny and is official Titan Mom.
The Crown of Sorrow was a raid on the Leviathan during the Season of Opulence I'm sure you can find the lore behind all of that.
1:13:07 "Uldren's rotted tyke started shrieken".
So… um… because of what happened during Forsaken, the Scorn call Uldren Sov "father", thus Calabasas refers to the Scorn they were experimenting with as "Uldren's rotted tyke".
And here's where it gets really messed up. Because the Scorn do not really understand what happened when Uldren died and was transformed into Crow… the Scorn also call Crow father and will frequently plea for his return.
And it REALLY traumatizes Crow because of his identification with the Eliksni… to have the Scorn, twisted zombie Eliksni, cling to him screaming "Father! Father!" when he has no idea what Uldren did, only a feeling.
59:26 "They say it spoke to Calus in his own voice.
1:05:31 "Our emperor hears the voice of Salvation".
Hey, remember what our doppelganger said when the darkness artifact at the end of Beyond Light transported us to the Black Garden?
"We are not your friend. We are not your enemy. We are your Salvation."
You are gonna love the next seasons story
Presage was such a phenomenal mission, even now
Okay, so, late to this video. My apologies. But, to add some context to the "Uldren's Rotted Tykes" phrase, they're talking about the scorn. They're called Uldren's, because the first, Fikrul, was caused due to Uldren's sadness over a dead Eliksni, that was twisted by Riven, bringing the Eliksni back in Undeath, as Scorn. He dies and just always resurrects. Fikrul had the capability to use the darkness to create more Scorn.
So it kind of originates from Uldren.
I remember when this came out and I made it to that mission where crow completely murdered saladin with "remind me, what were you doing during the red war?" i GAAAAAAAAAASPED for days
https://youtu.be/KqF_MHV5KtI?si=CVFQMjyWOrmxx_i4&t=1467 this moment they said "you wont tell the commander?" wasn't referring to us, the commander is Zavala 😛
What you mentioned towards the end of the video about the darkness, the pyramids, the traveler… interesting stuff to hold onto
I just binged your whole destiny series uploads! Even as a day 1 destiny 1 guardian, the lore is… a lot. I'd wager 80% of it is told through grimoire cards in both games. Destiny 2 was a huge upgrade in its *actual* in game in character story telling but there's so much they don't outright dedicate narrative or voicelines for. For example we knew of the fallen being the previous civilization the traveler graced back in d1 through grimoire cards, but it was never brought up. Similarly, we've had SO MUCH Calus lore in grimoire cards either told objectively or through the lens of unreliable narrators (Scribes of calus, clearly opinionated). So don't feel bad if things are going over your head, a lot of the lore is through word of mouth or by reading the journals yourself. The story is really spread through the community which is why so many of these videos exist, we've had a lot of resident lore-keepers over the years making videos on youtube for a reason haha. Would you believe we have very detailed backstories on all of Mara Sov's techuens for example? It's fascinating stuff
Ok lol now im definitely looking forward to your reaction to season of the haunted. Lmfao