I don't think the Henry Cavill inclusion joke is "too shallow" or shallower than other "jokes". It's not just the joke that it's Henry Cavill, but that it's "Superman" (which is DC, you know), but as Wolverine. It's kind of like the suggestion that in infinite bubbles of universes it just got close enough to slightly overlap with an aspect of Superman, but to the benefit of Wolverine. (It's not a brainy idea, completely intuitive, and still shallow. Just not so crappy or "too shallow", as Jay judges. But Jay is usually the most critical one of the bunch…)
The sheer amount of fanservice pandering was also impressive in its volume. By the fact there was so many references to fan gripes served as an acknowledgment of the depth of the problems with marvel. It was impressive how aware they actually are. They didn’t just say “ go find me a fan-service cameo” they seemingly know them all.
I'm glad I avoided stupid spoilers and all trailers aside from the 1st one before I watch the movie. I was soaking in the cameos and got multiple pop up moments from the movie. Chris Evans "FLAME ON" actually caught me off guard and had me laughing HARD.
Also Deadpool movies work right now because it take quite a while to release a sequel. In a way the studio's interference worked in its favor.. If it were released every couple of years people would get sick of it fast. Disney should treat Deadpool movies like the final celebratory movies after a Big movie like END GAME.
sorry boys, the only moviefone joke I recognize starts with 555-FILK and ends with Kramer getting his door kicked in by a sentient moviefone voice recording
Legitimately asking why Star Wars fans don't like Star Wars trying to be like Marvel or Deadpool is one of the most brain dead things I ever heard. It's like asking why it's so wrong for something to abandon its identity to be trend-chasing, corporate slop, or why it's so wrong for every piece of fiction to all be exactly the same.
@12:21 "Darth Vader doesn't make jokes" ahem, Rogue One? "Be careful not to choke on your aspirations, Director". BOOM! PUN! HAD IT BOTH WAYS! NO RAGRETS – D. Vader (probably)
The reason deadpool works vs all the woke crap, is because the folk doing it care about deadpool, and we do too. When the emotional scenes come, you don't feel that they're as saccharine and performative.
Star wars could totally do the same and rake in the money. The problem is, though, Ryan actually gives a shit about what he's working on and knows the character well. He aligns with the fans because he is a fan; same reason people like Henry Cavil. Star wars (and indeed Disney in general) have had a real boner for Marxist and extremist fringe feminist ideologies. They hate what they're working on and they hate their customers; so they corrupt it to what they demand the world should be: female supremacist and superpowers work based on communism. One of the writers genuinely was saying they were happy to work on star wars because there's no good or bad side. They saw star wars and thought it was a morally grey thing, the "dark side" and "light side" and even the visual cues didn't let them know. So that's the accuracy of their moral depth we're working with here. "It's nuanced" it's really really not. They wrote evil hypocritical witches in a matriarchal commune with a dictator witch and are confused when no-one identifies with them. Even calls them witches, gives them evil coded powers and often encourages fascist behaviour from children; "the power of one, the power of many" but they remain true to Marxism by accident, because although its the power of many, its utilised by the dictator for the dictators desires, regardless of what's good for the many. How does this pan out? The women get emotional, give off mixed signals, then chooses to become a martyr (despite saying that they'd give them the girls, but we know they lie to the jedi so we can't exactly trust what they say) get violent and delegs a Jedi while killing most of themselves. The rest die in a fire in a stone building. They made the force female. Which means make it a poorly veiled Marxist feminist propaganda piece. Where they've unwittingly represented women as emotionally fragile, violent, oppressive, superficial, entitled extremists who are rewarded by the universe for their group identity (because supremacists suck at not writing this way for their group identity unless they're cultivating victimhood).
Im suprised they didn’t catch onto the fact that Logan is the anchor being for the X-men series and the timeline he is saving is X-men and dead pool so that they can be a part of the MCU, it’s barely tied to the actual plot more than it’s a heavy handed analogy haha
Are they aware that Deadpool breaking the 4th wall isn't a choice they made specifically for these films? It's literally one of his super powers in the comics. He is knows that he is a marvel creation..and breaks the 4th wall to talk directly to the audience all the time…because he is aware there is an audience.
13:34 Didn’t occur to me until now, but yeah the plots incoherent if you’re not familiar with the TVA. Which was kind of supposed to be an organization that oversees the multiple timelines in the MCU in the show “Loki”.
I saw this movie with my father after our flight cancelled and we had to stay by the airport another night. The last marvel movie he watched was Captain America, when he saw it in theaters. Despite not understanding most of the jokes, he still liked it.
Between Bryan Singer and Brian Peck, I'm not sure we can trust Brians in Hollywood anymore unless they have a state capital and primary color in their name too.
Deadpool breaking the fourth wall works around other characters. It happens in the comics all the time. They just get confused by what he's saying.
The issue though is that, in the comics, Deadpool has voices in his head he talks to, which he doesn't have in the movies. He talks to the narrator and to his inner thoughts constantly, and from the other character's perspectives, he's just talking to himself and it confuses the hell out of them.
But Deadpool teams up with other heroes all the time.
I would absolutely watch that Star Wars Deadpool. Spaceballs is the closest to that. And it goes so hard for it
How are them star trek books ?
I don't think the Henry Cavill inclusion joke is "too shallow" or shallower than other "jokes". It's not just the joke that it's Henry Cavill, but that it's "Superman" (which is DC, you know), but as Wolverine. It's kind of like the suggestion that in infinite bubbles of universes it just got close enough to slightly overlap with an aspect of Superman, but to the benefit of Wolverine. (It's not a brainy idea, completely intuitive, and still shallow. Just not so crappy or "too shallow", as Jay judges. But Jay is usually the most critical one of the bunch…)
"There's only 1 Blade. There's only ever gonna be one Blade"
The sheer amount of fanservice pandering was also impressive in its volume. By the fact there was so many references to fan gripes served as an acknowledgment of the depth of the problems with marvel. It was impressive how aware they actually are. They didn’t just say “ go find me a fan-service cameo” they seemingly know them all.
this movie was the perfect what if episode, super cool but meaningless
ps. not seeing the loki series is a crime
I'm glad I avoided stupid spoilers and all trailers aside from the 1st one before I watch the movie.
I was soaking in the cameos and got multiple pop up moments from the movie.
Chris Evans "FLAME ON" actually caught me off guard and had me laughing HARD.
Also Deadpool movies work right now because it take quite a while to release a sequel. In a way the studio's interference worked in its favor..
If it were released every couple of years people would get sick of it fast. Disney should treat Deadpool movies like the final celebratory movies after a Big movie like END GAME.
two jokes hat landed for me
the multiple rump smacks during the suit up scene
"I'm a black belt in karen"
Hugh Jackman is a fantastic actor. He's Wolverine. That scene in the van is spectacular.
jay stop interrupting mike when he's saying a joke
I hate the multiverse so much I can't breathe.
In regards to that star wars hypothetical, thats essentially whats happening with that new lego star wars movie
sorry boys, the only moviefone joke I recognize starts with 555-FILK and ends with Kramer getting his door kicked in by a sentient moviefone voice recording
Legitimately asking why Star Wars fans don't like Star Wars trying to be like Marvel or Deadpool is one of the most brain dead things I ever heard. It's like asking why it's so wrong for something to abandon its identity to be trend-chasing, corporate slop, or why it's so wrong for every piece of fiction to all be exactly the same.
@12:21 "Darth Vader doesn't make jokes" ahem, Rogue One? "Be careful not to choke on your aspirations, Director". BOOM! PUN! HAD IT BOTH WAYS! NO RAGRETS – D. Vader (probably)
The reason deadpool works vs all the woke crap, is because the folk doing it care about deadpool, and we do too. When the emotional scenes come, you don't feel that they're as saccharine and performative.
Star wars could totally do the same and rake in the money. The problem is, though, Ryan actually gives a shit about what he's working on and knows the character well.
He aligns with the fans because he is a fan; same reason people like Henry Cavil.
Star wars (and indeed Disney in general) have had a real boner for Marxist and extremist fringe feminist ideologies. They hate what they're working on and they hate their customers; so they corrupt it to what they demand the world should be: female supremacist and superpowers work based on communism. One of the writers genuinely was saying they were happy to work on star wars because there's no good or bad side. They saw star wars and thought it was a morally grey thing, the "dark side" and "light side" and even the visual cues didn't let them know. So that's the accuracy of their moral depth we're working with here. "It's nuanced" it's really really not.
They wrote evil hypocritical witches in a matriarchal commune with a dictator witch and are confused when no-one identifies with them. Even calls them witches, gives them evil coded powers and often encourages fascist behaviour from children; "the power of one, the power of many" but they remain true to Marxism by accident, because although its the power of many, its utilised by the dictator for the dictators desires, regardless of what's good for the many.
How does this pan out? The women get emotional, give off mixed signals, then chooses to become a martyr (despite saying that they'd give them the girls, but we know they lie to the jedi so we can't exactly trust what they say) get violent and delegs a Jedi while killing most of themselves.
The rest die in a fire in a stone building.
They made the force female. Which means make it a poorly veiled Marxist feminist propaganda piece. Where they've unwittingly represented women as emotionally fragile, violent, oppressive, superficial, entitled extremists who are rewarded by the universe for their group identity (because supremacists suck at not writing this way for their group identity unless they're cultivating victimhood).
This movie taught Disney an important lesson: Stay the course and keep making the same Marvel movies, because they're back, baby.
Darth Vader does make jokes. "Apology accepted, Captain Needa"
Jays roommate was Mikes grandmas ghost.
I liked it, it felt like a comic book. The car fight was just straight comic to me
Im suprised they didn’t catch onto the fact that Logan is the anchor being for the X-men series and the timeline he is saving is X-men and dead pool so that they can be a part of the MCU, it’s barely tied to the actual plot more than it’s a heavy handed analogy haha
Mike, just copy/paste the text to an email and send it to yourself next time. the screenshot isn't necessary
Are they aware that Deadpool breaking the 4th wall isn't a choice they made specifically for these films? It's literally one of his super powers in the comics. He is knows that he is a marvel creation..and breaks the 4th wall to talk directly to the audience all the time…because he is aware there is an audience.
Well that was a waste of a half in the bag episode
Joseph Moviephone i actually know that guy
Redlettermedia liking a fun movie for just being fun, stop the fuckin’ presses
hahaha i rly wish yall knew about dr doom rdj before shooting
13:34 Didn’t occur to me until now, but yeah the plots incoherent if you’re not familiar with the TVA. Which was kind of supposed to be an organization that oversees the multiple timelines in the MCU in the show “Loki”.
I saw this movie with my father after our flight cancelled and we had to stay by the airport another night. The last marvel movie he watched was Captain America, when he saw it in theaters. Despite not understanding most of the jokes, he still liked it.
Between Bryan Singer and Brian Peck, I'm not sure we can trust Brians in Hollywood anymore unless they have a state capital and primary color in their name too.
Zero percent chance Deadpool isn’t involved in Avengers
The difference betwen this and Star Wars is that this makes fun of comics books with a lot of love, it's not like TLJ that's made with spite.
Deadpool breaking the fourth wall works around other characters. It happens in the comics all the time. They just get confused by what he's saying.
The issue though is that, in the comics, Deadpool has voices in his head he talks to, which he doesn't have in the movies. He talks to the narrator and to his inner thoughts constantly, and from the other character's perspectives, he's just talking to himself and it confuses the hell out of them.
But Deadpool teams up with other heroes all the time.