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The producers looked up one day and realized they’d missed 12 years of their children’s lives. The people who worked on the show made big sacrifices, let alone the brutal work it takes to create a show like this. They were spent and burned out. Once the ending was in sight, they went for it. Character development was over, we knew who the characters were by then and the story ended. Think about it. People are pissed the ending came too fast, which just proves what an epic series it was! 😁
I think the reason we all hated seasons 7 and especially 8 so much is because we waited a year in-between seasons and watched for 8 years (book readers longer) for an ending that was done in a way that was so thoughtless for the fans. All the timr and money and emotion fans put into the series for Dan and Dave to just wash their hands of the ending and rush through it. Garbage.
I think people miss the fact that George RR Martin hasn’t finished the books, so stretching out the early seasons hoping he would finish them made sense. They couldn’t wait any longer and with George and his plot points they finished the series. That’s why HOD has so well paced, it’s a complete story.
The mad Queen has been there since season 2 outside of Qarth where she said she would burn cities to the ground to get what she is "owed". But all along the journey she had her advisors to keep her in check. And now she has lost everyone of them so the mad Queen comes out. Sure the decent into madness is rushed. But not of the blue that a whole lot of people seem to think.
She hadn't been one of the good ones for a long time. I saw this coming from season 2.
Danaerys went straight up Shin Godzilla on Kings Landing
There is a long tradition of Targaryens who are stone-cold sober, but lose it eventually. Also, if Jon had tried to claim the throne, he would have been murdered in the blink of an eye. At the very least, there would have been an all out war between the North and the Unsullied and Dothraki, and the North would burn. Part of the problem (besides the last two seasons being insanely rushed) is that show Dany has always been too good, very different from book Dany. And they kept giving her all these big rah-rah wins and depicting her motives for freeing the slaves as being essentially pure. I think they did that as a deliberate misdirection away from Jon as an alternative, but by doing that they boxed themselves into a corner in terms of Dany's character, so her turn (though foreshadowed) feels like it's coming out of left field. A lot of bad calls these last two seasons, including giving Catspaw and the NK kill to Arya instead of Jon, and then not having Arya use her Faceless Man training to kill Cersei. You really need to react to "The Last Watch" which is a terrific documentary about the making of the last season, and even though it's HBO and a positive take, the table read with the cast reacting to the script is GOLD!!!
You guys thought more about the plot than the dickheads writing it. It's unreal the way they ruined the greatest show the world had ever seen. GRRM said "I had enough material to do another 4 seasons but i guess Dan and Dave didn't have the patience for that"
I mean if they were done with Thrones hand it over to good writers. Someone that had the time and passion to give the show what it needed! Years on and it still pisses me off 🤬
The next episode just made me feel angry at first, and then so fucking sad they made such shit choices😡
Now I need to go and calm down all over again 😂
Cant even hear the show, TURN IT UP!!😂😂
Im gonna miss watching this with you guys
The signs of how insane Daenerys was have been there all along. Her jealousy and anger have been slowly building.
My questions was and still is, “Why didn’t Dany go straight for Cersei?!” She had absolutely no smoke (pun intended) for the woman who had her dragon and Missande killed? Dany burned people alive who had nothing to do with her beef with Cersei and why? Cuz she was pissed! I was so mad at her for allowing Cersei to die in Jamie’s arms. She should have died screaming after everything’s she’s done. I’m still mad. lol….Anyway, Dany proved to be no different from her father, The Mad King and no different from Cersei. The Seven Kingdoms does not need another one of them.
Dany was always the dragon
She was always entitled (only it came out after her brother Viserys was no longer in control of her)
Dany was always easy to anger and ready to “burn them all” “lay waste to your cities” blah blah
Why was this a surprise to anyone?
Her story trajectory was very clean – plainly laid out and a straight line
None of that is what I have a problem with.
My problem is Brans storyline being so erratic! “Why do you think I came all this way?” And NO ONE being like – wait, what??? You KNEW this all along and let it all play out so you could claim the throne while saying all along you couldn’t hold such positions since you are the 3 eyed raven… Come on now!!! THAT is the storyline that was under developed
People forget the Mad King was kidnapped and in the dungeons of Duskendale for 6 months until Ser Barristan saved him. He didn’t seem mad in the war of the Ninepenny Kings when he met Tywin.. Plus the coin flip yea she always had the madness in her
I’ll never understand the grief the it’s season gets. I loved it. Drama, surprises and poignant storylines. Loved it
Not just daenarys not just grey worm. The north all of them were looking for a reason so murder these people. For Ned. For missandai. For not helping fight the dead. This was a long time coming. Daenerys didn’t go mad. All the signs were there from the beginning. Just gave them fire and blood. . “ when my dragons are grown. We will take back what was stolen from me, lay waste to army’s and burn cities to the ground” season 2. – daenarys
I waited so long for her to follow through on this promise. I was not surprised one bit
Also to add. In my opinion there was a build up to this point for her ( emotionally ) think about her whole life on the show. She was born in Westeros but she didn’t grow up there. She’s a savage queen. She doesn’t think like them. And she’s surrounded by people she can’t trust who don’t care about her.
Said it once I’ll say it again Always Team Mother of Dragons 🐉-🐉🐉
Love seeing everyone so mad again lol😂
100% – spot on analysis. Couldn’t agree more. Felt the same way. The most infuriating element (could be apocryphal) is that the showrunners were spending more time prepping for their Star Wars project in lieu of this season. 5-6 more episodes and these storylines could’ve been earned.
Agreed
We deserved more time with this
I maintain that I believe Daenerys always had underlying anger and the ability to be impulsive, she is also obsessed with that throne and also has a bit of manifest destiny type attitude, so it all makes sense. I was hoping we would see her take over and get at least a full season of her just ruling over Westeros maybe growing tension between her and Jon before making that descent into madness.
Remember season 3 ep 4, when she burnt a man with dracaris for the first time. We all cheered her then. Our mad queen…
I absolutely agree Dany’s descent into madness was 100% plausible but very rushed in this season.
I mean, if you watch her journey she shows sign’s in seasons 4 and continues to show them but she has such good advisors that they managed to help keep it managed.
If they had more time they could have portrait her fall into The Mad Queen much better
Another detail you may not have realized, the bells change tone when Dany is about to burn the city down. I think it reminded her of the stories her brother told her of the bells ringing as they sailed away to Pentos as Tywin and the rebel army sacked King’s Landing before Dany was born
LMAO next episode can't come fast enough.
Still Team Dany 👑🐉. Horrible nonsensical wiring won't change that.
Daenerys lost everything, if I lost everything like she did I would also stay the way she did, she was a child who never had anything, only a brother who abused her, sold to a group of savages who sexually abuse women, etc… How do you want her to stay mentally and psychologically with what she has experienced all these years? It's impossible! I'll always be on her side, the other characters have also killed innocent people, they also have problems.
She zigzagged like Rickon should have.
Never cared for Dany, i was always resentful of the blue balling with "crossing the sea". I was over it by the time they crossed.
A targeryan king with black hair is an abomination to Targeryan hitler.
All the characters knew off screan her plan. We as an audience didnt. Thats why tyrion risked all to stop it.
5:38 the actor that plays Varys was angry at the first table reading of the script. Theres clips of it.
It was in the vail. They gave the Lord of the vail a dragon ride. But in truth it was a soft threat to the mom, who was in charge of the vail.
To me, D&D are the mad queens, NOT Dany. People don't just flip so suddenly. Literally not how insanity works, unless drugs or sever physical trauma re: Theon/Reek. And don't any of you haters comment and say she's ways been ruthless, ambitious etc. Stfu. I will delete and repost. It is just dishonest, if you say that she's always "shown signs". She has had restraint, compassion, learned from her mistakes (meereen etc.) and listened to council. And she always, always cared for the people, literally the breaker of damn chains. So imo. I'll never accept this ending for her character. She's just someone that looks and sounds like Dany, but she is the rushed, watered-down version of a lame, "crazy" queen created by the real mad queens D&D. Sorry not sorry, it doesn't feel authentic to me. Anyways, last ep coming up, are you guys going to do a season/series recap/discussion afterwards?
Though I understand Daenerys going mad is a coherent storyline for her character, I don’t think that’s the path she’s following in the books. I also don’t think that was her destiny in the show.
Nevertheless, if done with time and good writing, it could’ve been a great turn! BUT THE SHOW HAD THREE VILLAINS IN THE LAST SEASON! How are we supposed to keep up with that?!
People get so butthurt because Daenerys as of it was rushed but nah, this is what it’s always been coming to since her rise in season 1. Also we’ve gotten Cersei vs Daenerys since season 7.
Cersei should have been the mad queen . Long live Queen Daenerys.
Varys was the real hero. He was good.
Danny always had the mad queen in her. When you watch it again and again you will see this early on.
She was turning bad from season one. What are you guys talking about?
Thinking in terms of good and evil!
Suits you both.
Now, you understand the disappointment 😞
They ended it the way George RR Martin said he planned to end it. He gave them an outline of his plans. The details may end up being different but the big picture was the way Martin planned it. The problem is HBO wanted two shorter seasons for the last two seasons. If they had done full 10 episodes seasons for both season seven and eight, then they would’ve been able to build up to this to see her madness building.
She spent 8 season saying she would take what is “hers” with fire and blood. What did you think she meant?? She was given the choice to save Messandei. She chose not to save her cuz she cares about power more than her best friend. Or anything for that matter. Also. Queen Cersei never did anything to Dany for her to want to kill her. And before you say she killed her dragon and Mossandei she only did that when they started marching against Queen Cersei. Which is a declaration of war. Plus you sided with someone who uses literal fire breathing man eating monsters to control people. How anyone is surprised is beyond me
That people is everything but innocent
I’ve always wondered, why close the gates? If the city rang the bells and Daenarys didn’t react, would Cersei have killed her own people?
I think even after all this time, I’m still the one glad that Daenerys did all this. those people were never loyal to Cersei and they’d never be loyal to her.
Daenerys’ only mistake was not killing Jon and Tyrion first.