We’re here at the finale of foundations second season and man is there alot to cover and answer.
How is Hari back again ?
Is Terminus really destroyed?
What will Demerzel do with Dusk and Ru
and more so much more.
So strap in for some big reveals ans setups
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I believe that the Vault rescued the original Fondation people. The Vault seems to work outside of know physics. Constance's father in the Vault was still injured from the knife attack from Day. That indicates he is the same person. Great Show! Thanks for your insightful reviews.
I was super disappointed that the show decided to do a death fakeout for almost everyone who had such a powerful sacrifice last episode. Episode 9 was one of the best episodes of TV I'd seen in years, but this episode undid all of that. Just so much TV-style fake deaths and then "here's what REALLY happened." long-winded explanations. So many just plain dumb fakeouts. I have a feeling that we won't get a season three of Foundation, and a week ago, that would have devastated me, but today… it's just a big shrug, because I've lost all confidence that the creators of this show have the ability to keep this story meaningful over multiple seasons. All the characters have ridiculous plot armor now, because they've shown that rather than let a character's death be the powerful sacrifice it seemed, or that a character will have a believable lifespan, we know the show will concoct a way to allow a character to live or be around (ie, on the show) for hundreds of years. To me, that's super cheap and super pandering to the dictates of TV, rather than fidelity to a story.
Great show! I mean your show. I don’t watch Foundation. I love the pace and flow of your videos.
When Dawn say the mark of treason on her neck and said we meet in my room later ,I thought he was gonna set her up to be arrested or destroyed. Wonder why he did't try that.
It looks like that blonde girl has a throat tattoo similar to, or the same as Tellum. Thanks for a great series of breakdowns!
Favorite quote:"Is a Frog's Ass Watertight?"
Anyway the Vault is similar to the TARDIS being that it's bigger in the inside than the outside. That was obvious since it's a hypercube but also it's likely has multiple timezones inside it too. So again the paradox for the PsychoHistory that it works is that Hari cheated. The moment he created&entered the Vault, a future version of himself told him about certain events but not the details of how it happened. It's up to Hari to work out the math to show how&why it happened. Since there are possible futures, Hari had to make sure his math accounts for it. The Prime Radiant given by Hari to Brother Day is a Trojan Horse or a fake version of the original, that it acts like a bug and listens to what Demerzel&Day is saying but also giving out false information. Obviously the Vault has transporter capability and similar to the Whisper ships, it can FTL jump out too. Thought that since Hober Mallow knew of the location of the palace and passed it to the Spacer Navigator of the Rubicon, when it was going to self-destruct anyway, would had thought that the Rubicon would jump into Trantor and destroy the palace. Hober's role in history by "Piercing the hide of Empire" as the Rubicon defolds on top of the palace by wiping out the cloning chambers. Guess there's going to be a legitimacy issue with Brother Dawn's heir and the Cleon clones over who the true heir for Empire. Thought Demerzel would had a programming logic failure issue and just fry herself but again there's two characters in charge, the original cyborg/android and the concubine's mind that got imprinted on it. As for the Mule, since Tellum was able to send a telepathic signal thousands of lightyears but there's a time delay, it's likely that the same thing happened with the host body of the Mule. It's one of Tellum's prospective mentalics that had been previously controlled or her outside dummy in the galaxy. When she died, it took over a hundred years for her telepathic death scream to get to him and along the way she lost a bit of herself but enough to target Gaal.
NOOOOOOO WHY WOULD THEY KILL MY FAVS
Imo it's super unsatisfying that they basically time skippes 150 years in the end so the next season will begin so much later than most of the finale, though it was the same case in Season 1…I would have likes to see Day restore the natural line of succession. I suppose Demerzel couldn't let it happen though
I think demerzel did not kill conjoiner Rue and dusk. She did lock the cell back down after she left, if she killed them she wouldn't have had a reason to.
Gaals a bit of a Mary sue which makes my uncomfortable. No practice or training, but could deceive tellum with her many lifetimes of experience and as a result, there wasn't enough clues for the audience to feel that we could have guessed Hari's situation correctly. Salvor had a better character arch and character development.
And and, relying on Hobo's McMuffin to blow up the fleet was lazy Star Wars writing……..
The vault was a cop out
I thought the Vault was a bit of a deux ex machina. The Vault dates to the creation of the Foundation, so it might be a little more advanced than imperial technology, but it didn't seem likely it both survive planetary destruction and also have the Time Lord TARDIS-style capacity to house thousands of people.
One possibility that would work might be if the Vault in space was actually much larger and, like the Prime Radiant, there was a part of the Terminus Vault that was physically in two places at once, so the Terminus Vault might let people teleport to a newer, bigger Vault nearby before the original was destroyed. Not entirely clear how a new Vault would continue to serve the same function, unless the Prime Radiant and simulation Hari Seldon was the important part and the Vault itself was just where the Prime Radiant was kept.
Glaywin being rescued is bit of a flag.
Bel and Hobor will either be rescued because the spacers mark or harry planned it.
I still think Bel will lead the foundation's military with Hobor and Constant leading the foundation overall.
Also, imperial nanites would've made more sense than what we got.
Untrained Gaal overpowering a telepath who has at least seven people's power and lived for hundreds of years. Nobody went looking for the guard or noticed he'd gone quiet?
SPOILER ALERT: At the End of Season 2 Jarred Harris aka Hari Seldon becomes Doctor Who.
Terminus live geek!!! The interview was wrong and how about that bet you made??😊😊😊
I loved this series finale! And I am wondering, have they announced a season 3 of Foundation yet?
Also, I realized that this story in a way is about a number of different people who are in different ways timeless beings: Cleon, Demerzel,, Hari Seldon, Tellem and I guess now Gail too since she has taken to going into suspended animation so regularly. It's like Foundation is a story of these five people across this enormous span of time.
First thought there copies
I hope that in a future epsiode, they bring back the girl. THE girl. Who had 2027 (or something) people killed at the flick of Empires hand, because she messed with the gene pool. (You will not see, hear, or feel, but we will make sure you suffer for etenity" etc… I probably got that wrong, but you get what I mean… I really, really hope she's the one that finishes this. With a flick of her wrist… ends the dynasty…. THAT would be….. fun…..
Many were probably wearing the wristbands – which may do more than just personal auras… maybe they do some castling thing and also do backups?
At the end vault Hari says that Terminus’s destruction was the plan all along, but we simultaneously are told that Salvor’s death is proof that things are not set in stone. This obviously tracks with the books but also it makes me think that season 1 and season 2 are made to seem inevitable but are the result of planning, and the result of the crises are calculated to benefit the Foundation in specific ways by the ‘mysterious’ third faction that Goyer said is hidden in plain sight. The first crisis created a network of allies which attracted more attention, causing the second crisis. The second crisis hastened the fall of Cleon’s empire by destroying the fleet and placing the prime radiant in Demerzel’s hand, and we know the third crisis will involve the Mule. I’m interested to see if the Mule is handled in the same way. S3 can either end with the Mule in power or the Mule being defeated by Gaal/second foundation. I have a feeling that he has to be defeated to make the TV show work, and somehow this will benefit the Foundation. If I had to throw out a wild guess, the Mule would be too powerful for the second foundation, and they will need to reveal themselves fully to the first foundation to band together and defeat the Mule. The books treat the first foundation’s relationship to the second’s as some kind of conspiracy, but I think they will change it to be the first and second foundation working together and the conspiracy will be towards the ‘third faction’ aka Gaia
Really enjoyed EP 8 & 9 but felt a bit disappointed with the finale, Bel & Hober will be missed, their 2 characters I could relate to as a viewer
This show has more plot armor than the entire MCU
I hope this Tellem story line is over, I feel like it’s run it’s course. I actually thought it was pretty boring after 3 or 4 episodes of it.
So I liked this season a lot and the last episode was good, but the fake out deaths kinda took away from all that.
If they were going to do the fake out they shouldn't have shown Poly literally dying.
They could have just left it a mystery.
I'll definitely be back for next season, but I hope the show runners don't do it again.
Nobody else seems bothered that the secret puppet master and her agenda isn't so secret that she controls all the loyalty of the palace guards, so that even they know when a clone steps out of line and needs to be arrested or whose orders should be ignored. All Demerzel needs to do is say someone's a traitor and they all fall in line apparently.
I knew i wish it ended on the 9th episode. Like you, i dislike how Harry is alive again. Along w/ all this information they withhold from viewers then tries to explain it away w/o a setup. The whole thing about the foundation people surviving pissed me off cause that ruined the epic planet killing scene. They could of made it that only the people who have been inside can be saved/downloaded. Those people better be all dead physically and just remain in the prime, as ghosts cause otherwise, that was STUPID. Its like a comic book, this guy is dead, PSYCH! Tellem is dead, PSYCH! Harry is dead, PSYCH! Salvor is dead, pSYCH! Gaal is a Mary sue, she got MAGIC powers all of a sudden. I hope they remain dead, i love the show but that was dumb as shit. GOT and others were great cause people died and stayed dead. I hope the 3rd season makes some clear. They could of set up stuff better, w/ hints instead of just hiding it from viewers, then uses it to explain Deus exmachina moments. Other than the fake out deaths, I enjoyed it but ep 9 was the best, unless of course the Terminus people are alive, then that epic dark apolocalyptic death was useless and TROPE. They killed one major character in 2 seasons. thats WEAK IMHO, but then again, there are a lot of snowflakes out there who love it when no one dies. It was a let down for me, overall, the last episode. Thanks for your video..
3 picks up there will still be pieces of them out there I thought the way they brought Harry back worked better than it had any right to the hober thing was also surprising but felt set up when you think about it in hindsight that's also where you start to think about how they're piling up all of these shocking twists one big surprise okay two well now wait a minute can we believe anything we saw in that amazing ninth episode then we get to the Vault and it starts to feel borderline dishonest terminus's end felt shocking in what appeared to be Paulie's final moments were absolutely moving You could argue that anything less wouldn't have sold it and you might be right but the twists didn't seem to be that logical
I think that if we get a Hober Mallow next season it will be the child of Constant and Hober. It could be an advantage for the foundation to keep the idea of the man who pierced the hide empire alive. Brother Constant is a title/mantle that she holds we never know her real name. So maybe Hober Mallow will be the name of a great trader for the foundation the future. Cause foundation has plenty of Jump ships and other technology to trade and they are the only one other than the spacers who have it now. My only concern is that when Day left the planet he commanded that they take the scientists and leave everyone else.
I really got into this. I found myself shouting at Hober and Bell Aka the telly, "You have a fv*king Whisper Ship on board!"
Per David Goyer Tellem is not the mule.
Great episode Al! Let's keep in mind that Day ordered all the scientists (white lab coats) to be brought with him. So they might all be dead now. (They'd have died anyway riding jumpships without a window to look out of while asleep! Hehe.) And Demerzel would normally have stayed with Day. So she SHOULD have been dead and Empire with her. Yet, with the entire Empirical fleet destroyed, that is likely to allow every remaining planet to go rogue, eh?
And I have to point out the silly trope with Dawn, that if major characters have unprotected sex one time that she's preggers straight away. OK, maybe a few times. But weren't the Cleons sterile?
He’s not a robot we know that robots don’t have brains no mentality could control him
One of the biggest questions the season finale left me with was: how did Hober and Bel know what Beki’s A^$€Hole tasted like? 😂
The Vault situation doesn't make logical sense. They stole that concept from West World smh
Gaal's new powers didn't make sense either. Since season 1 her power was to see the future, now conveniently in this finale she became Professor X & hypnotized a whole race of psychics that are way more experienced 🤦♂️😂
Tellem needed a ritual involving physical contact last episode but now she can just jump bodies after death?! She was attacked by surprise by Hari, so there was no time for her focus on a body swap
At what point in the fight did Baal work out that Day would throw him out the airlock? 😂
Come on folks… I know we all love this show but we can't convince ourselves that this finale was good writing. It's clear that they just threw this ending together as a result of the writer's strike 🤷♂️
I don’t understand why the guards are obedient to Demerezel and not Day (on the ship) or Dawn (on Trantor). Did the guards know that Demerezel was running the show all along? Were the Cleons the only ones who didn’t know that they were puppets?
I don't know if I missed the life show I totally lost track of time and I don't get a notification but I mentioned last week about what's his name his wrist my brain is so freaking tired I can't think of his name….
oh that's right today Saturday so I'll see you all tomorrow. I think it's 5 PM Eastern standard time.
see you today, Sunday at 4 PM eastern standard, which is 9 PM UK time
The Spacers having taken Hober’s offer the entire time was perfect. You knew Hober talking to them had to come up again.
I loved it. I finally understand Dermezel. I was fascinated by the android but it turned to revulsion. S1E9 , if I remember correctly, when she killed Dawn and later tore her face off. She is in a particularly insidious kind of hell devised by Cleon I. She loves him and grooms his shadows or destroys them when necessary. That's ugly. I was happy to see Sareth and Dawn escape thanks to Dusk. I'm looking forward to Season 3.
This is my favorite show in all the world.. only Doctor who comes second to it.
Just realized something, what happened to Hober's Whisper ship. I assumed that it docked with the Rubicon when it was captured. It wasn't shown if Demerzel took the ship back to Trantor. Considering that the Whisper ship can jump into FTL inside the Spacer's hangar bay, there's a chance that ppl can escape. Anyway for the Rubicon to blow up, there's enough room inside the Whisper ship for some dozen ppl since Beki's not in it anymore and they could had evacuated the Rubicon.
Sorry folks. Rubbish. The entire screenplay is a woke mess. Nothing is certain. Everything can be changed with love and compassion. Characters never expire they are “reborn” with a blink of an eye. Time a distance has no meaning. Events witnessed are reversed with a convenient macGuffin. Symptoms of weak writers and a screenplay by a woke committee. Rubbish and an insult to Issac.
I agree that blonde girl is suspicious.She's definitely Tellem
horrible over fake twist end…for sake of subverting expectations…almost on par with game of throne lvl of clout bring back all the dead pl clout…excellent s02 with horrible 10th episode finale. breaks my heart as i try to recommend this show to peers. absolute forced bad writting ending. no one died yay! the dead live again wohoo