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BBS being number 2 is actually insane but you do you.
The concept of Kingdom Hearts should NOT HAVE WORKED. A Final Fantasy + Disney crossover sounds absolutely insane. And yet this franchise managed to make it work. Congratulations Kingdom Hearts.
Even though it’s one of the 2 KH games I’ve ever played as I had no access to a PS console, I absolutely agree with 358/2 Days being at the bottom. The story was interesting but good god. The gameplay was kind of shite. Younger me desperately wanted to like 358/2 Days but knew it wasn’t that fun.
Honestly, fuck the Leechgrave and the Ruler of the Sky in that game. Those two will forever be stuck in my memory as stupidly hard for no reason.
I started with 385/2 days, so my perception of the series is seriously skewed, but I think KH2 is much lower in the list for me. Days has a lot of issues that makes it a chore to play, but in my experience KH2 has just as many, just in different fields. KH3 is significantly improved gameplay-wise, but the story was a sore disappointment.
Before watching, but KH2 is definitely gonna be the top winner here, gameplay, story, plot development, innovations, nothing since in the KH-Verse has really broken ground like this game did. Arguable one of the best games of it's genre full-stop, let alone just in it's own franchise.
Last place…..probably Re:Coded. Boring gameplay, pretty much pointless plot that just re-hashes the main story for the most part, adds VERY little to the continuity of the series.
It was better gameplay than 358/2 which definitely is the strongest contender for worst gameplay value, but damn if that game didn't do it's story right, enough to justify it being better than last simply because it's arguably one of the best written and paced plots out of all of the games (plus the most emotional, Xions death, Roxas's devolving mental state, the epilogue mission, and the new view on the Riku/Roxas fight being Riku trying to stop Roxas from effectively committing suicide in his desperation to get his life back, YES I AM BIASED ABOUT THIS GAME!). EDIT: By best written, I meant quality of pacing, plot developments etc. KH2 easily beats it in diversity, scale, spirit and extent of story, but 358/2 feels like a better told "story" overall.
Wild card would be KHX, it's toxic gatcha hell and the story drags on but it's a whole new continuity to the plot and may become more relevant later, that might save it from the bottom of the list.
Solid list. Kingdom Hearts is one of those fun series where you could rank the games in two separate lists, one based on story and one based on gameplay, and get totally different rankings. Trying to rank them overall, as such, really comes down to your personal takes and priorities and I think this is a very respectable effort.
Like, I won't list everything, but while Birth by Sleep clearly is the superior game gameplay-wise to 358/2 Days, I much prefer Day's pacing and character development to BBS's rather clunky and arbitrary story progression. 0.2 is a short game, but it's a really introspective experience that gets deep in the head of its main protagonist in a way that no other game in the series quite does.
And the big elephant in the room is Unchained X/Union X/Dark Road/etc. Those horrible mobile games with gatcha gameplay and a really cheap chibi art style. And yet, the plot of them, complicated as it is, is actually really engaging and interesting. There are some wild twists and turns, unique lore bombs, tragic character arcs and some epic action. If they were made in a game with gameplay and presentation as solid as KH3's, they'd be so much more breathtaking and beloved. Instead, one of the best stories in the franchise becomes the biggest contributor to the series' biggest problem – how inaccessible keeping up with the series can be. It's a darn shame.
I really do not get the hype behind KH2. Yeah, it plays a bit better, but the story completely took a dump and the series has never really recovered. Top 3 for me would probably be KH1, DDD, and Melody of Memory, in that order.
It's actually pronounced 358 Days over 2
Honestly for me 2fm and 1fm are the best in the series, I also do think bbs is the best handheld kh game solely because of its story and solid gameplay with Aqua being my favourite to play as in that game
The reason why bbs' ost is such a bop is because Yoko wasn't the only composer on the tracks in some cases… Yoko was also backed by the veteran of the SE PSP composers Takeharu ishimoto as well
While I do agree with its placement on the list, atleast story-wise, I think Re:Coded is the only game that got the post Birth By Sleep special move-based combat right.
I dislike the fancy command-thingy moves a lot. I think Birth By Sleep was the game that started using them a lot, and I hate it. They even added some to KH1: Final Mix! WHY!? DDD was extreme, with way to little focus on standard attacks or standard magic, and kinda scared me away from the series. I hate the evolution of this series' combat.
Original KH1, Re:Coded and Days have great gameplay imo, as simple and clean as KH should be. Re:Coded do use weird special moves, but I think it uses them in a way that fits really well, and doesn't take too much away from the rest.
KH2 (atleast the original), of course, is a perfect mix of the fancy-schmancy stuff and good ol' standard KH action. Simply marvellous.
Can't claim to be a KH-Expert anymore though, so honestly my opinions – that are quite old – may not hold up anymore. But back in the day, I really felt how the series (gameplay) started going downhill with Birth By Sleep :/
(Note: I didn't even finish Birth By Sleep, maybe it gets better later on. But the new combat style I noticed in what I played was not something I liked at all, and future games seemed to take heavy inspiration from that combat)
Microtransactions aside, this is such an incredible planets-aligned franchise that I am so glad we have even if I will never get into it!
Solid list.
Personally I would put 0.2 one slot higher over Melody of Memory, and I keep flip flopping over whether I'd put 3 or BbS at #2.
Would have loved if KH3 had any new worlds not based on modern CG Disney/Pixar, though.
Remember when we were getting worlds based on more obscure properties like 3 Musketeers, Tron, hell even sequels like Return of Jafar!
Come on Square Enix, sure, Marvel and Star Wars would be nice, but let's have some deep cut Disney references for KH4! How about Duckberg? Sleepy Hollow? Gravity Falls? Black Couldron?
Putting KH1 under BBS is criminal no way
I can't accept that, who has said that KH3 is the best game in the series? I need receipts
Too bad that KH2's execution is still clunky that it is really, REALLY distracting that I honestly cannot see how anyone can keep making arguments that it is "the best". And I don't mean from personal preferences, but just as a whole. One could say I could just be nitpicky but even then that can be said with not making a good case as to why KH2 is the best aside of "its a sequel, therefore did everything better by default."
Is it a bad game? Far from it. But "the best?" I get its your personal list and I mean no disrespect but I still fail to see the points to convince me that KH2 deserves that title when its many flaws in terms of story, pacing, rehashing of film plots done lazily, wooden acting, over-animated acting character models, awkward music moments, awkward no music moments, clunky mini games, lack of proper tutorial with its combat system, overusage of reaction commands that would make God of War say "that's too repetitive," and everyone willingly IGNORES ALL THAT cause again: "its the first major sequel, therefore it does everything better by default." And this is coming from someone who really…really…REALLY wanted to love the game when it came out, including Final Mix.
I think the only thing I would have changed personally is I'd put Coded/Re:Coded as worse over Union X, simply because you can't really play Coded anymore. For a long time it was lost media and while I think it was partially or entirely found by now, it was still a Japan-only mobile game, with Re:Coded just being the story… which honestly isn't that interesting and adds very little to the KH lore, bloated and confusing though it may be. Union X is accessible worldwide, even with the microtransactions, my personal grudge against it after Square accidentally deleted my account and couldn't restore it so I refused to pay another dime to their mobile department, and gacha/pay to win gimmicks. The movie of the necessary portions of it before KHIII is very entertaining, and as a prequel to the entire franchise it's oddly enlightening. That said, it was originally promised that it'd be standalone (why it's set so far back in the past) and have no bearing on the story, so for KHIII to suddenly require you to know at least part of the story of it to understand its story was a bit of a kick in the teeth, but I guess that's why 2.5/2.8 have the CGI movie with the elements you need to know from it.
All I wanted from this video was for Union Cross to be in last place, and I'm happy I got that. The rest of the list can be organized in aaaany way that it wants to be, but UX as a game was so infuriating, even my borderline dementia brained self will refuse to forget what a horrible, unfun, unbalanced piece of shit it was. It was horrible enough for me to take months long breaks from it at times. If the story wasn't so goddamn amazing I'd be basing half of my Twitter personality on hating it. The other half being Sly Thieves of Time.
Anyway, Re:Coded right afterwards? I'm liking this list more and more.
I knew the story of KH1 but my first game was KH2
Honestly with the story getting more and more convoluted and cluttered, it has ironically only gotten harder to get into Kingdom Hearts if you're a newby.
bbs is my second fav its so fun to mix and match abilities
how I "played" kingdom heart x, union x and dark road is leaving it on auto fight for weeks at a time to level my characters up rather than cave to the micro transitions Level 99 took about a month and a week of auto fighting. Which is absurd
okay but the days story only hits as hard as it does because of the gameplay , which always makes it harder to give a full recommendation since the tedious grind is such a great way to get you in Roxas head which makes the heart breaking lines near the end hit all the harder
RL, The cross is the symbol "Ki".
It is pronounced "key". In reference to Keyblade.
I love kingdom hearts but can we be honest about something for a moment? It's story line is the video game equivalent to LOST. Something makes no sense? Don't worry we'll patch that in a future episode in a way that just makes even less sense somehow.
KH3 has beautiful graphics and worlds (especially the pirate one and that weird afterlife one), but horribly balanced and repetitive combat. The only fun combat sections in 3 are the data fights in the DLC. It's also home to some of the worst fanfiction-tier writing I've ever seen.
Also Coded isn't really a puzzle game. Feels like you might have just read the wikipedia page instead of actually playing it for this list.
2 > Re:coded > the rest
The worst is Re: Coded while the best is KH2, pack it home boys. Though I still believed that even before I watched the video lol.
KH3 is my favorite in the franchise.
1. Because the worlds actually feel like worlds. Not only do they have plenty of room for exploration, but they actually feel alive and inhabited (with the exception of Arendell and The Toy Box) as opposed to most other games where the worlds all just feel like a bunch of rooms.
2. Because it takes the best elements of KH2, KHDDD, and BBS; the dynamic and fast-paced combat, the shotlocks, and the (slightly downgraded) flowmotion, making Sora feel more evolved as a fighter, while still feeling like he has room for improvement.
3. Boss battles up the ying-yang! Getting to fight every incarnation of Xehanort and most of the KH2 organization members in one game was great and they managed to give us three decent Disney villain boss battles, something that's become a rarity since KH1.
4. Visual appeal: apart from maybe Super Smash Bros Ultimate, KH3 is, in my opinion, the most visually beautiful game to date.
I realize that this is a Video Game list and that gameplay should be the most important thing to a game so I understand why people would be so low on 358/2 Days, because objectively it has issues with its gameplay loop. But when it comes to an RPG, I would argue story matters a pretty hefty amount too and 'Days' has what I consider to be BY FAR the best story of the KH games. The story is well paced and Roxas, Xion, and Axel get probably the best development in the series and so overall I'd place it right around 5, behind the numbered entries and Birth By Sleep. I also don't think the combat itself is bad in 'Days,' it's just the mission structure that starts to grind after a while. I would also argue the mode where you could play as other Organization members was pretty fun too.
A solid list, thought I'd have put 3 way lower. It was such a lousy sequel, one that did everything wrong except graphics. Even the fighting was pretty dull.
That thumbnail really makes me think that Aqua and Sora are siblings, lol.
Here’s the χ for you
Fragment passage is a tech demo not a game
Adding Dark Road would have been a good inclusion, considering it released a few weeks ago
Every Kingdom Hearts game is good.
Haven’t watched the video but gonna take a wild guess that kh2 is number one
My personal top 3 would probably be
1. Kingdom Hearts
2. Kingdom Hearts 3
3. Kingdom Hearts 2
To this Day KH1 has the most obscure and mystifying secrets with the best pacing for an RPG. The worlds are bold and daring. They encourage lots of exploration of the worlds multiple times to help find lots of hidden goodies. It was also brave enough to do things gameplay wise like taking away Soras keyblade to help fit the narrative and the feel of the story for the player. KH3 feels like the best of all aspects of the gameplay of all other games. KH3 feels like the series actually understood what direction it was taking for it's gameplay. KH2 is fun but it's honestly the easiest game of the 3 Titles. I was shocked when I just utterly decimated the Data Organization on Critical Mode. They give you so many cool new abilities but Anti Form actively discourages trying Drive Forms throughout the whole experience up until the very last level. All the levels are just flat planes. Reaction Commands override the entire fight. I actually don't like how Reaction Commands are the end all solution. Makes all the choices I have feel pointless when hitting Triangle is literally the Perfect Counter Move to the enemy. But it's still a really solid game that honestly gets a little too much praise even going as far as to call it like Devil May Cry 💀. When I play as Dante I think to myself "Man Dante is so much like Sora. His DT is just like Valor Form! Rocket Launchers can be a Keyblade"
I agree for the most part, but I would have put Dream Drop Distance where KH3 was. Didn't play the rhythm game because I blow at those.
I dont have a PS4 and I am not going fore the Cloud version on Switch so I have not played KH3 but I feel like I would like it a lot.
KH3's story is not the only thing about that game that's bad. Personally I thought it's combat was also bad. I'm just not a fan of the floatier, slower paced, and shallow combat. The worlds also felt kinda empty. So the game on this list was maybe rated too high at least in my opinion. I would definitely put KH1 over it myself.
This is honestly some of the weirdest takes I have seen, and this is coming from someone who has been in the KH sphere for a while, especially on YT and the forums back in the day.
For starters, putting 0.2 and Melody of Memories above 358/2 and DDD is fucking just a no go. 0.2 is at most 3 hours, it should be at the bottom of any list and the only game that should come close is Coded. Melody is 95% a recap of all the other games, no interesting elements in the entire game, and basically a teaser for the future of the franchise. I have no idea why these would be above any game in the franchise that actually has story and gameplay longer than 3 hours.
For you to say that a lot people consider KH3 one of the best states the franchise has been in seems really disconnected as well. Its widely know as a game that really h as not a lot of substance, a huge amount of issues with combat (mainly attractions), and the general state of the story was horrendous. The actually plot didn't start moving forward until 80-85% of the game was done with.
And lastly, and this is how I knew that there was some disconnect here, is that you stated people think that BBS was one of the worst games in the franchise and is underrated. If anything, this game gets WAY too much praise. BBS is one of the best games, if not the best game in the franchise for a large amount of people. I have heard miniscule complaints about the game over the years. Honestly I was really shocked by this list, it seems so disconnected and weird and I have never seen these takes before.
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Hot take: Re:Coded is miles better than both 1 and 2. It feels better to play and has far less stupid bullshit in it. The first two games both have really solid bases but have annoying garbage littered throughout that makes them insufferable to play.