Actually Chuck is very close to the God depicted in the bible. Temperamental, selfish and wrathful…also kinda inconsistent..what drew him to like the boys ended up being what pissed him off. Very Old Testament
I agree that lucifer is the best villain in supernatural. I wish both michaels had a bigger role in the series. One was killed by god and the other by jack but they themselves didn’t do much
Ngl I thought the leviathan should've been lower. They were just completely overpowered with how many of them escaped. They also never really explained what happened to the rest of them
I'm of the theory that Chuck's plan was actually to give up his powers and let someone else take the reins.
When we consider that Supernatural is a very self-aware show, especially in Chuck's case, his heel turn and the widely hated ending all actually make sense as part of his true plan.
I'd like to bring up these points as evidence:
He hands a gun that can actually damage him to the Winchesters and demands they kill Jack, who they see as part of the family. Considering the history of the Winchesters when it comes to making those kinds of decisions, he can't have actually expected it to work. He had to know they'd turn on him, they do it every time to protect their own.
When we first meet Chuck, he is literally self-inserting himself into the story. That was the first hint of his true nature, but it also confirms that he's fully aware of what Sam and Dean are doing. They manage to find a way to hide from him later, but who's to say that actually worked. Chuck has had many opportunities to simply get rid of them (especially after combining with Amara), so it's highly likely that he just let them think they were hiding because the story he was writing demanded it.
Speaking of Amara, Chuck goes out of his way to combine with her to regain his power, but this has another effect and was likely the real reason he did this: It removes her as a player. Without Amara, nobody is powerful enough to threaten the world he created, other than Jack, who is a much kinder person than Amara and has lived without his powers (something Amara has not ever done, she lacks the same level of humility and would not hesitate to use them if she desired).
The boys needed the help of Fortuna to stand a chance against him because he literally removed their plot armor. But luck can only get you so far, and there's absolutely nothing to state the Chuck couldn't just wipe that from them either, Fortuna is a pagan deity, she's significantly less powerful than him. The only reason that trick would've ever worked is because Chuck allowed it to.
Speaking of luck, after the boys lose their plot armor, they're basically just regular humans fighting monsters. They get humbled real hard by a single vamp and have to be saved by Garth (who is a werewolf at this point and he still had to resort to C4 explosives). After fighting with plot armor for so long, it's natural that the boys would be rusty. This ties in perfectly well with how the show ended: Something went wrong during a hunt and somebody died.
The show makes very frequent statements that the life of a Hunter is not one that comes with a retirement plan. That Sam even lived as long as he did proved that he was the exception, not the rule. In other words, the show ended exactly as it should have.
Finally, Chuck alluded to the fact that he would be the final villain. He states that he is the "monster at the end of the book". When he visits Becky to get her input on how the story ends, he says it will just be a gravestone (a SINGLE gravestone, NOT two!) that says "Winchester". She gets furious with him, saying that people will hate it, and that's exactly what happened: the fans hated the ending and only a single Winchester died.
In other words, everything that happened when Chuck was the villain was all part of his plan, including his defeat. Because remember, Chuck was a writer. And every writer knows, it's the characters that drive the story.
Chuck had finally settled on his final draft. It was time to step away from the typewriter.
I personally would put Azazel at number 1. Putting aside what he set in motion, he was just so….foreboding and sinister. The second he showed up on screen, you would immediately tense up.
What's the story with Castiel? He could have been a great asset, instead of a naive plot point (angels tossed from Heaven, Leviathans released on Earth).
I personally thought that the British Men of Letters were the least interesting parts of season 12. Not to say that there wasn’t some things that were cool and interesting but I found the most entertaining episodes of season 12 had little or nothing to do with the British Men of Letters.
When you brought up Asmodeus, my brain made me think of the Asmodeus Vivzie made. Now I kind of want to see how Sam and Dean would interact with characters from Helluva Boss or Hazbin Hotel
Metatron is a dick but i like him looking back on the series. Cas should have gotten alot stronger after coming back after the easy subvert to Mets spell. At least should have drank his german self 21:30 "last surviving" 😂
Please do a video on Supernatural Lucifer Vs Lucifer from Lucifer 😂 not just in a fight but also in terms of character. Who do you think is the better Lucifer??????
what sam did with the equalizer makes him the evilest person in the Multiverse I mean I know he loved Jack like a son but he was willing to destroy all of reality just because of what chuck did to jack
I'm one of those people that didn't like the shift in Chuck's characterization. I think if Amara had been slightly more evil and been the final big bad for the entire series it would've worked out much better. I also agree with your take on Eve and I would've loved to see more of her on the show. They could've invented some completely new monsters and propelled the show in a wildly different direction for a couple of seasons with no concrete resolution, but perhaps pushing her back into purgatory.
I would put God higher up in my own list of Big Bad due to him as a big bad was foreshadowed really strongly, not just in the nature of the Supernatural universe being so horiffic a good natured God wouldn't let it occur from a good start but conversations between his kids especially Archs make it clear he wasn't a good parent and was pushing his oldest to fight which Lucifer says pretty well at end of Season 5, he was the natural next Villain after the Apocalypse but the show needing to go on delayed him for quite a while, and added in even more flaws with his creation that seemed intentional. He either was an off screen greater bad in setting events up if show ended at Season 5 or true bad guy after it got extended. A good set up for a bad guy and how messed up they are is true key feature for me.
Though that would still probably still just be Brozne medal given how entertaining and good in rivalry with the boys Crowley and Lucy are alongside Lucifer having his own very strong foreshadowing and doing being a hypocrite, saying you have love while treating those closest and most loyal to you like trash, pretty much as well as his father.
I love how you described how Amara was swayed as "talk no jutsu".
"It's called anime and its an art form" – Dean Winchester.
“After all, how could mere mortals ever dream ti fight god?”
RPG fans laughing in the distance
It's gotta feel bad being outranked by a symbol. It's the equivalent of being passed over for a rock in gym class.
Eve was way underused and underrated.
Actually Chuck is very close to the God depicted in the bible. Temperamental, selfish and wrathful…also kinda inconsistent..what drew him to like the boys ended up being what pissed him off. Very Old Testament
I was more disappointed with Eve than the Levi's. I was expecting some Alien Queen stuff. Like some giant lovecrafian monster like Echidna.
They also brainwashed Mary. The BMOL did, I mean.
would sam without demon blood in his system still be considered Lucifer’s true vessel?
I agree that lucifer is the best villain in supernatural. I wish both michaels had a bigger role in the series. One was killed by god and the other by jack but they themselves didn’t do much
10:59 I really didn’t like Metatron but Charlie is the worst.
Ngl I thought the leviathan should've been lower. They were just completely overpowered with how many of them escaped. They also never really explained what happened to the rest of them
I'm of the theory that Chuck's plan was actually to give up his powers and let someone else take the reins.
When we consider that Supernatural is a very self-aware show, especially in Chuck's case, his heel turn and the widely hated ending all actually make sense as part of his true plan.
I'd like to bring up these points as evidence:
He hands a gun that can actually damage him to the Winchesters and demands they kill Jack, who they see as part of the family. Considering the history of the Winchesters when it comes to making those kinds of decisions, he can't have actually expected it to work. He had to know they'd turn on him, they do it every time to protect their own.
When we first meet Chuck, he is literally self-inserting himself into the story. That was the first hint of his true nature, but it also confirms that he's fully aware of what Sam and Dean are doing. They manage to find a way to hide from him later, but who's to say that actually worked. Chuck has had many opportunities to simply get rid of them (especially after combining with Amara), so it's highly likely that he just let them think they were hiding because the story he was writing demanded it.
Speaking of Amara, Chuck goes out of his way to combine with her to regain his power, but this has another effect and was likely the real reason he did this: It removes her as a player. Without Amara, nobody is powerful enough to threaten the world he created, other than Jack, who is a much kinder person than Amara and has lived without his powers (something Amara has not ever done, she lacks the same level of humility and would not hesitate to use them if she desired).
The boys needed the help of Fortuna to stand a chance against him because he literally removed their plot armor. But luck can only get you so far, and there's absolutely nothing to state the Chuck couldn't just wipe that from them either, Fortuna is a pagan deity, she's significantly less powerful than him. The only reason that trick would've ever worked is because Chuck allowed it to.
Speaking of luck, after the boys lose their plot armor, they're basically just regular humans fighting monsters. They get humbled real hard by a single vamp and have to be saved by Garth (who is a werewolf at this point and he still had to resort to C4 explosives). After fighting with plot armor for so long, it's natural that the boys would be rusty. This ties in perfectly well with how the show ended: Something went wrong during a hunt and somebody died.
The show makes very frequent statements that the life of a Hunter is not one that comes with a retirement plan. That Sam even lived as long as he did proved that he was the exception, not the rule. In other words, the show ended exactly as it should have.
Finally, Chuck alluded to the fact that he would be the final villain. He states that he is the "monster at the end of the book". When he visits Becky to get her input on how the story ends, he says it will just be a gravestone (a SINGLE gravestone, NOT two!) that says "Winchester". She gets furious with him, saying that people will hate it, and that's exactly what happened: the fans hated the ending and only a single Winchester died.
In other words, everything that happened when Chuck was the villain was all part of his plan, including his defeat. Because remember, Chuck was a writer. And every writer knows, it's the characters that drive the story.
Chuck had finally settled on his final draft. It was time to step away from the typewriter.
I didn't mean to see a 40 minute video, yet here i am…
I personally would put Azazel at number 1. Putting aside what he set in motion, he was just so….foreboding and sinister. The second he showed up on screen, you would immediately tense up.
so a question i would love to know your opinion on is the limits of the first blade like could it kill a leviathan is there anything immune to it ?
The talk-no-Jutsu had me cracking up!
Could ask for a better birthday present the video from one of my favorite content creators
What's the story with Castiel? He could have been a great asset, instead of a naive plot point (angels tossed from Heaven, Leviathans released on Earth).
Men of letters are definitely last for me
I personally thought that the British Men of Letters were the least interesting parts of season 12. Not to say that there wasn’t some things that were cool and interesting but I found the most entertaining episodes of season 12 had little or nothing to do with the British Men of Letters.
Metatron is the Deloris Umbridge of the Supernatural world for me. I love to hate him!
When you brought up Asmodeus, my brain made me think of the Asmodeus Vivzie made. Now I kind of want to see how Sam and Dean would interact with characters from Helluva Boss or Hazbin Hotel
I honestly stopped watching supernatural before it ended, but these videos make me wanna finish the show. Thanks for resparking a love.
I never knew chuck ended up as a big bad was controversial. My guess is the ppl who had a problem with it are mostly the super religious ppl.
Metatron is a dick but i like him looking back on the series. Cas should have gotten alot stronger after coming back after the easy subvert to Mets spell. At least should have drank his german self
21:30 "last surviving" 😂
39:20
I laughed when i heard that
Would love to see a video on Luci’s cage and how crowley’s team remade the vessel nick
Please do a video on Supernatural Lucifer Vs Lucifer from Lucifer 😂 not just in a fight but also in terms of character. Who do you think is the better Lucifer??????
what sam did with the equalizer makes him the evilest person in the Multiverse I mean I know he loved Jack like a son but he was willing to destroy all of reality just because of what chuck did to jack
was kind of hoping the chuck that showed up in season 14 was just an evil parallel version of God but that's not the way they went unfortunately
I'm one of those people that didn't like the shift in Chuck's characterization. I think if Amara had been slightly more evil and been the final big bad for the entire series it would've worked out much better. I also agree with your take on Eve and I would've loved to see more of her on the show. They could've invented some completely new monsters and propelled the show in a wildly different direction for a couple of seasons with no concrete resolution, but perhaps pushing her back into purgatory.
Generally I agree to your list, but I don't see why Jack going evil doesn't qualify while Castiel going evil does.
Nick Lucifer is my favorite character in the entire show.
I usually just call him the Hellavangelist
1:51 on god im rewatching the show, im half way through season 12 , i dont even remember him and i just watched the season last week
Yeah he should have stayed a deanmon for the hole season and had been a Tru big bad
I would put God higher up in my own list of Big Bad due to him as a big bad was foreshadowed really strongly, not just in the nature of the Supernatural universe being so horiffic a good natured God wouldn't let it occur from a good start but conversations between his kids especially Archs make it clear he wasn't a good parent and was pushing his oldest to fight which Lucifer says pretty well at end of Season 5, he was the natural next Villain after the Apocalypse but the show needing to go on delayed him for quite a while, and added in even more flaws with his creation that seemed intentional. He either was an off screen greater bad in setting events up if show ended at Season 5 or true bad guy after it got extended. A good set up for a bad guy and how messed up they are is true key feature for me.
Though that would still probably still just be Brozne medal given how entertaining and good in rivalry with the boys Crowley and Lucy are alongside Lucifer having his own very strong foreshadowing and doing being a hypocrite, saying you have love while treating those closest and most loyal to you like trash, pretty much as well as his father.
I liked Metatron.
Maybe it’s the nerd in me that likes seeing a nerd Angel flex for a bit 😆
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