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I'm going to patent saving your game and sue all of them into oblivion.
Patents are a human concept that defies the natural process of evolution.
Survival of the fittest is the best way to sort through what works well and what doesn't.
If someone copies your idea, and does it better, that's your fault, not theirs.
If you really like your idea, do it justice and improve it yourself.
Sick of lawyers protecting companies who rest on their laurels.
One of the most egegrious patents is WB's patent on the "Nemesis system"… essentially means no games are allowed to have those awesome NPCs.
Or Corsair's patent on back-buttons on controllers. That one has been annoying everyone for years.
This cannot happen though.
At least not in the EU, Canada, the USA and Norway. (I don't know about other countries.)
The reason is that a patent needs to be conscise and not too broad.
That's why Warner Bros. had to amend their copyright of the Nemesis System several times because it was too vague.
For the same reason the Pokémom vs. Palworld lawsuit is Japan-only as most countries rejected the "throw object to capture creature in the field" patent as too general.
Finance bros stumbling their way into the C-suite of game development is the worst thing that ever happened to the gaming industry.
Hell, every industry.
They displace the industry experts in the c-suite, and run companies into the ground.
It's how you have companies like Boeing going from leading aerospace, to making planes that autopilot themselves into the ground.
Everybody in charge used to be engineers, and now they're all clueless finance bros.
I guess using "finance bro" isn't all that fair.
Because there are plenty of female CEOs who are just as incompetent.
Wow we not even know how pokemon vs palworld doing.
And now sega like "hemm you can do this??? Ohhh shit you can do this!!!!"
Man
THE IMPACT IS REAL
the videogame apocalypse is happening right now, No one will ever be able to play any fangame or monster taming game due to the monopoly of Pokémon… And even worse… Nintendo don't make good pokémon games nowadays… I miss out the over 150 pokémon per gen like gen1 and gen5, and the over 9 legendaries (Trio included) from Gen4 and Gen5… and seems like we will never see new eeveelutions anymore since Sylveon from XY, so say adios to dragon/ghost/earth/flying/bug eeveelutions.
and that's not all, games like Nexomon 3 will not be released due to fucking lawsuits… I am very upset with this bullshit, those Patent lawshits only gives me headaches and destroys an ever decreasing gaming industry that due to Sweetbaby, subscriptions and similar polemic stuffs, are accelerating a collapse countdown to videogames.
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Called it… it’s gonna go into other media too soon, and that’s what Nintendo isn’t realizing. They’re being ENTIRELY too short sighted… this isn’t gonna end with them standing at the top? And even if it does they aren’t gonna like how it happens? Competition keeps companies alive ?
I mostly agree but I would set the bar at proving that code was lifted from one game into another. So if Pokemon Co can prove that Palworld stole code written into one of the games, then the case would make sense.
This is the fun world we're going down now huh? After the big boys scramble to patent as many gaming mechanics they can, they just plan to sue their competition into the dirt anytime someone new makes a game in their "territory". We'll never be able to have game types evolve anymore. How awesome would it be if doom was the only fps we had access to.
This was talked about the same day the big N announced their vague lawsuit.
Nintendo and the pokemon company are so dumb. They should fire niantic and say: "Hello pocketpair do you want to make our nextgen mindblowing pokemon game, that will ever exist…" 😂 that would be a smartmove….
…FFS SEGA HAS COLLABED WITH GACHA PHONE GAMES BEFORE
The pokeball patent are a part of a broader patent filed in 2021, shortly after the first Palworld trailer (before the UE switch). Additionally, this is Japanese law we are talking about, works a bit differently than Western laws. For years, Japanese game companies have been patenting mechanics. Hell, the reason you don't have mini-games on loading screens is because SEGA owns that patent. Seeing through walls? Owned by Konami. Horse riding mechanics, Nintendo. The biggest holders of game mechanic Patents are Konami at first followed by Nintendo. They are mostly there to protect the reputations of the games they come from and not really used as extortion like it would be in the west. Game companies often use patented ideas in other games without risk, unlike the west they don't have to be defended fiercely to keep hold of them.
Additionally, I will just put this out here, but the whole deal with Palworld is not Pocketpair vs Nintendo, is more like Nintendo vs Sony with the deal that pocketpair signed with Sony. Acquisitions kinda work differently in Japan as well, with the Faustian deal that pocketpair signed with Sony days before the patent claim is what is going on here.
Sony and Nintendo have very bad blood since the CD incident. Honestly because of Japanese acquisition traditions, I kinda have to side with Nintendo on this one.
With the art style of Palworld copying Pokémon, the damage to the pokemon brand can be catastrophicly devastating to the pokemon franchise. Try telling the average Karen that Tanzee isn't a pokemon, its similarities to Grookey are blatant. However Tanzee is often shown holding a semiautomatic, and legally Sony could plaster that everywhere.
I may not like Pokemon or Palworld much, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth when a game is blatant on using art styles to get an edge over other possible competitors to grab the attention of possible customers. To be blunt, pocketpair's CEO kinda rubs me the wrong way with how he responds in interviews.
Hop off gachas??
The answer is similar to why patents and copyright law is BS in other fields as well. There's a lot of money locked up in this and if the law is loosened, a lot of very powerful companies will lose future income.
Why do you think that ALL the freeware photo editing programs lack the magic select lasso tool for example? They all have some other means of selecting that is similar, but ALL of them require you to manually draw a boundary line, despite the program obviously being able to recognize what you want to select once you've specified the area. This is because Adobe patented that specific mechanic for Photoshop, and nobody else can make one that's as useful, because then Adobe, whom has more money than God, will sue them with extreme prejudice.
Moon Channel put out a video explaining a lot about what is really going on with Nintendo's lawsuit against Palworld. I recommend anyone interested to go and watch it.
Sega, da faq.
One way to cause game crash, all companies start slamming one patent after another making it where no one can make any new games.
That's why the monopoly law is around for when stuff gets out of hand
I understand a companmy has a right to protect itself, but lawsuits like these just reek of malicious intent towards the competiton.
Man… It doesn't have to be this way.
Do you have a link to this article?
i feel like if big developers managed their companies properly they wouldn't be allocating resources to punch down. instead they could make a game big more fucking substance, and make money off people liking what they do. it actually pisses me off that this is what the world is, because it's run by money and everyone wants a piece of the pie even if they're punching down to get a bite
You mean WESTERN AAA studios are in so many stupid situations right now. And Westerners are forcing the ideology that backfired on their media franchises onto Japanese companies now.
Patent the "key item" label
They definitely tried to patent jumping.
Huh, it's almost like what I predicted a few weeks ago is coming true. Now we just need the part where a Governing body (Most likely the UK) steps in to regulate the games industry. Trust me, we don't want a Governing body regulating games, but this is what will happen if Nintendo (And now SEGA) wins the lawsuit. If you're a Nintendo fanboy, I implore you, reconsider your stance here, because this will backfire and will hurt Nintendo. Like the Nintendo Switch? Well, the Government can step in and prevent a Switch 2 with regulations. Like the Amiibos? The Government can regulate those too. Like having voiced scenes? Here's some regulations. If that's the future you want, great. But me? That's a literal nightmare.
Show your outrage with your wallet. Refuse to buy games from companies that want to act this way. Emulation is a thing, and a far better option than paying Nintendo or Sega.
There are two way this will go down either the Japanese gaming industry will stagnant or Japan will be forced to enact laws regarding Patents, the latter is more likely to happen after the former anyways
Patents have to stop
Now i'm curious on what patients memento mori broke…aside from it, i just don't see the game's appeal too much on the gameplay, just seeing gifs fight each other :p
It says something that they're only suing indie studios. Nintendo would not go after Sony bc they know they can hire good lawyers that can flick these charges away. It also says something that these lawsuits are considered favorable by the public. There was a big backlash against palworld, and everyone hates gatcha games. But they're setting precedents so they can be more aggressive about lawsuits down the line. I have played almost exclusively indies for the past three years, but the big companies want for all gamers to go through them. It's greed through and through.
So i know this isn't the video for this type of comment like this but what happened to cassette beasts mobile app?
Hey law student here, I’m going into wildlife law, but I’ve taken courses on patent law and I have friends going into the field. While I can’t answer anything definitively because Ive not studied Japanese law I feel like I can help shed some light on things. At the start you say a multitude of entirely unrealistic patent ideas. (Ex. What if doom patented first person shooting) you also go on to say “at what point can you patent a game mechanic”
So starting from the top,
There are 4 requirements for a US patent, set out by section 101 of the US patent act,
1. The invention must be new (pretty easy to understand but this should help you clear up the “Retroactive patent” idea that you seamed scared of)
2.the invention must be useful ( making a program that utilizes a system you’ve invented is generally all you need)
3. The invention must be a process, machine, manufacture, or composition of matter ( so the concept here is that while a piece of software can’t be patented, it can be under copyright and more importantly a process that happens within a specific software can be patented)
4. The invention must be non-obvious (this seems like it’s the heart of your problem, and is almost always the hardest part to define in specific terms, but the process is rather simple. The examiner looks at the filed patent then looks at any patent that exist to see if they match, if not then the examiner looks at 2 or more patents for any combination of features that match the patent in question. If such a thing exist already then a it should be “obvious” to members of the field)
If you read any game mechanic patent, they are very specific and you can’t outright patent ideas (like monster taming) only processes within the game (like throwing an object within a 3d space to capture and release a monster under your control)
patent are designed to protect creators, and while we might want to believe that massive companies will do research and development to better mankind, the reality is that if their innovations could be easily stolen they wouldn’t make a profit and thus wouldn’t innovate. Patent are also one of the few ways that smaller companies can protect themselves from large companies in the same field. Without them large companies would just steal everything from a smaller company and market their own product.
I’ve been a fan of yours for awhile now and I know you probably won’t ready this but if you do I hope you do more research before you make other video like this on your opinion. people do listen and I think you said several things here out of impassioned ignorance and disregarded the good that can come from a legal system.
Another good example of what you were talking about, is if Atlus decides to patent monster taming, then they could prevent every game after them from developing other games from creating more monster taming games, digimon and pokemon included. Especially since Megami Tensei was the first monster taming game to be released in 1987, which is older than pokemon.
I don't get why Memento mori of all games? Like I played it and it's not a bad game but it's not very good too. it kinda feels like they're trying their luck on small companies to see if they can then upgrade to bigger ones