A recent video by ICON showed a 2024 Toyota Tacoma broken with several people pointing out the lack of bump shocks and how engineering failed. Publisher Tim Esterdahl shares new details on the broken Tacoma and what you need to know.
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This is an amazing news article that should win awards. I learned about new tech and what I consider a major piece design change. I never would have expected a bump stop in the shock! That you for expanding my knowledge.
As for the part breaking, it seems to me that this just proves the old adage: Parts made by people are fallible. This is why you have a warranty.
icons video felt staged. had an "upgrade" right away. just saying
Are the Toyota shocks the same specs as the Bronco shocks? They are both IFS but does the Bronco have the same suspension design?
Toyota is nowhere near the quality they used to be. They’re riding the coattails of their past; and have been for years.
Toyota is 💩
Yet they're still including external bump stops on the Land Cruiser and 550GX…
Hey Tim,
While I do agree in part with your point on it being a supplier issue. It can still be an engineering issue regarding materials used in the part and or the dimensional specs used.
I would say its to early to tell if its a supplier problem or an engineering problem or a combination of the two!
As always stay, cool, safe and healthy.
In the Terra Crew video "Period Correct Ranger Prerunner" at 21:00, there are shocks with internal bump stops. The shocks have the reservoir port lower on the shock body to trap oil at the top. When the piston hits the trapped oil, it rapidly stops the piston before bottoming out because there is nowhere for the oil to go.
So, warranty?
Toyota trucks are typically reliable but that doesn’t mean rugged or durable. My ‘04 Tacoma was flimsy as a soda can but it ran like a top. I replaced it with an ‘05 Frontier that is reliable and durable.
As a loyal 20 year Toyota fan they pushed me to a GMC Canyon 2.7. Time will tell if they cam bring me back.
I honestly felt like this was just good marketing. Break the truck and sell the fix, especially when the Toyota YouTube hate is at its highest
Fact is they have bump stops on the new Land Cruiser now you know. They need bump stops it’s under built I’m sorry to say. Many of there other vehicles offer them!!! It’s not a supplier issue you should not damage your car with a blow out shock!!! Bump stops are a safe guard exactly for that issue you are siding with the manufacturer and I call BUll Shit! Respectfully
What’s not being said: SR5, Sport, or Limited doesn’t have the fancy shock with internal bump stop. So yes Toyota cheapen the chassis by removing an external bump stop system from the frame and A-arm. Fortunately you can buy the OEM Bilstein shocks to remedy this issue if you’re building up an SR5.
For piece of mind – I'd prefer that the part that failed be CNC aluminum or better yet steel.
Hey Tim do you ever get tired of making excuses for Toyota 's new incompetence, you are good at it
Icon must not use an internal bump stop in there shocks. Thus they need a new bump stop.
You don't hear of breaking in the Bronco because the whole assembly is properly designed. Like everything with Toyota over the last few years they blame their failures on the vendor that they use. Keep in mind the vendor supply a part the is specified and approved by Toyota. The buck stops with Toyota. Why do the automotive journalist always make excuses for Toyota? Toyota is no word or much better then any other manufacturers these days. Please can we stop giving them cover?
If you buy the Taco, you still have to deal with Toyo to get another problem taken care of.
Toyota is getting like ford quality isn't there any more pitiful for what they want for these vehicles!
Toyota has always had a bump stop on their trucks so this is what you get when you change things that work Toyota quality is no longer
It always amazes me when you tell people they are idiots in a nice way. I just wouldnt be able to do it lol
Breaks the stock shock and instantly has a finished powder coated product to remedy the situation. Seems kinda fishy even though it may 100% not be. Either way in a year or two most will forget about Toyotas bad year
part should be forged, not cast..
Staged or not, supplier issue or not; toyota trucks have always had frame mounted bump stops till this day. The new Taco cheapened out.
That piece was probably put there last minute to increase overall ride height not primarily as a bump stop hard point per say. They shouldn't have used a cast part as a dynamic suspension conponent however and you can expect that to be a repeatable occurence as the outer lip on the cast is transferring significant load from the shock to the brace.
TFL had a shock replaced on their Bronco. Leaking early.
Call it what you want, but it is yet another high profile quality failure by Toyota. They always consider manufacturing in their design trade-offs of robustness vs cost. Toyota is failing at this.
There’s no need to rationalize on behalf of Toyota. At the end of the day, whether the root cause is engineering or supplier manufacturing, Toyota owns the problem. Customers didn’t buy from the suppliers. The vehicle was produced and purchased from Toyota.
Cast parts aren’t as strong as steel. It seems the cast piece reduces costs. At the same time, the price has gone up dramatically.
When customers see a higher price and perceived cost cutting at the same time, they start to question the judgement and motives of the company.
If you’re using cast parts, you should be inspecting them via UT, MPI, Eddy current, or X-ray at some level. If inspection isn’t possible, CNC machines can spit steel variants out all day.
Like the Tacoma manual transmission that could see more torque than its design limits, Toyota seems to be engineering these new trucks within a hair of failure.
So far, the engine debris problem, automatic transmission issue, the manual transmission issue, and the cast aluminum bump stop issue suggest there is a fundamental disconnect between pricing and the level of care that has gone into these new trucks. You can rationalize the situation as much as you want but the perception often is the reality Toyota will face. The perception is the price has gone up but the problems keep coming. What are customers getting with the new price over the previous models that had a reputation for reliability?
So far, Toyota has nothing helpful to say to address the controversy.
Silence in the face of controversy just feeds more controversy. Getting in front of the problem suggests being proactive. Toyota has been silent, allowing others to fill in the blanks, right or wrongly.
Lol…outstanding "fact-checking". Hard to argue with that, very well-done sir. Sadly, there are still plenty who will deny the facts like a flat-earther. Oh well.
The lack of frame mount bump stops is a huge misunderstanding of the customer base. Aftermarket shocks even with bump stop zones still recommend you add extended bumps or you will break the seals and the shock will fail. Now if you want to lift your new Tacoma you will need to add fabricating BS mounts to your list of to-dos. This is just further watering down of Toyota’s legacy. Don’t give me this Boeing nonsense that it’s about suppliers, it’s Toyota’s truck, it’s their legacy. The buck stops at Toyota. Toyota should’ve vetoed shock shaft bumps and two-piece aluminum top hats, as all they do is create two problems for the consumer to solve.
Yep, seen it. You’re late to the conversation Tim as usual.😂😂😂
down the road? they weren't out on a sunday cruise, they were objectively pushing/abusing the truck.