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Chapters:
Intro – 0:00
Masterworks – 0:50
Emirates & the A380 – 2:10
A380 2.0 – 4:22
A380NEO – 6:00
Emirate’s best option – 8:36
Outro – 10:43
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The A350-1000 is currently the largest plane Airbus builds. But according to Sir Tim Clark, it’s simply not big enough. In recent months, the long-time Emirates president has been calling on Airbus to think bigger & build a true A380 replacement. To some, these calls make no sense – the A380 was a massive $30 billion boondoggle, and hyper-efficient twins – like the 787 – are just far more economical and far more versatile than massive quadjets. So why, then, does Emirates want a next-generation Jumbo? And, more importantly, will Airbus actually build them one? Let me explain…
#Emirates #A380 #Airbus #Boeing #777X
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But Coby, what about the A350-2000? Airbus has said it wants to further stretch the A350-1000…could that also be a solution? I'm a train Choo Choo
It was the engine manufacturers that saw the unprofitable development of a new engine. If RR is willing to do a reduced fan sized engine for a A380NEO, like GE did for the 747-8, then it might be a possibility.
The other factor would be the fact that Emirates would have to finance them as no lease company would take the A380 on especially as Emirates would want to dispose of then around the 12 year mark and there is no secondary market for this type.
What about the Boeing Ecoliner renders and Airbus A370 for FSX? They're both basically a twin engined double decker. I think both companies should consider making these kinds of aircraft as engine technologies have advanced dramatically.
You are a Boeing apologetic and a low-key Airbus hater. You are far from objective when it comes to your aviation videos
Why the unnecessary, annoying and distracting music over voice? It spoils the video. I'm off.
Thank you for sharing.
Build a longer , more cost efficient Jumbo. Everyone wants to see 747s in the sky again ! 😢
787 much better plane than the A380 hands down
4 engines is too much regardless
If the industry was smart a few airlines would get together and order a bunch of 747's as they can both fill the passenger and cargo demands of the near future that will be here before we know it. However, they are not and it's goodbye to the 747, so it's the end of big jumbo's and both airline and cargo carriers will have to rework how they do things. No Airbus will not build any A380 neo's.
The recession is here.
We are already in a recession tho
They really need bigger and fast. Only between Bangkok and Dubai the 380ies are taking off as short as 20 minutes apart, and thats obviously only Emirates flights. They are freeing up planes by cutting out Manila now but the problem is still that they need so frequent departures, a bigger plane could reduce that frequency by 40-50%.
If they want a new plane, a further stretched A350-1000 or an even larger 777-10x would likely be their best bet, the 777-9x by itself seats 426 passengers in a typical config, the 10x should seat upwards of 450. Any further stretch of these planes, as their fuselages would be greater than 80 meters long, and their wingspan even wider, further requiring heavy and expensive variable sweep winglets. But, weight volume increases exponentially as the length of an aircraft increases, this is the square cube law. Seeking alpha already estimated a 167 metric tone empty weight for the 777-9x. That’s the equivalent of 2 a319’s fully loaded. More weight=More fuel, and with fuel prices being where they are, a four engine jet is not as favorable as a twin, and jet engine technology is already pushing the limits of how much power they can deliver out of an engine that is as large as the Boeing 737 fuselage. More power=less fuel economy. And the 777 is very expensive already. idk about aircraft re-designs with the current global economic turmoil.
250 million travellers per year soon!
Is there not a large number of low hour 747 aircraft available at very attractive prices?
Emirates is an artificial airline, supported totally by petro dollars. When those oil reserves dry up, so will Emirates. As for Boeing, oh well, they rely more on war projects for profits than commercial aircraft. And this is why we have constant warfare.
There's a bunch of a380s in storage just buy those
It’s one thing to say you want a bigger plane but that adds a lot of extras into the mix. For example take a Jumbo Jet ( Boeing 747), you could for example look at extending the top deck but that then adds extra weight to the plane. Also if you made a double deck 747 the wings might have to be re designed and the fuselage altered and as a result you have a plane that might not be so well received in some quarters of the world. Airports have layouts and equipment designed to work to certain requirements, it’s costly and not popular to rebuild a terminal to suit one type. The A380 was ok as long as it is flying at full capacity but it was really for hubs only as it couldn’t go point to point like a Boeing 737 or Airbus A 321. It’s probably going be the case that aircraft will be a lot more reliant on composite materials for their build and to keep the weight down, with more efficient engines and payloads that make it work. It can take a while to introduce a new type of aircraft and then it might be the moment has passed and it’s out of date the day it flies. Planes that take around 300 people will be a decent earner and as they fill easily and with some minor adjustments can be configured for first class,economy and standard. The limit is the maximum take off weight and that’s something you can’t easily get around, to a degree you can adjust the freight but it’s got to be economical to run. The Boeing 787 might be a good choice as a future proof plane, the composite components make a difference to the weight so a revised design of that might be cheaper and easier to introduce to keep existing airlines interested and regain market share. I personally think a plane like the A380 is too limiting and causes more issues than it solves, you probably cannot convert them for freight as the take off weight would be an issue. We will have to wait and see what happens next.
I hope for this so much, seeing how my town's economy relies on the Everett Factory
I think the civil aircraft industry is too stagnant & stuck in their very old methods & can't move fast enough to cope with today's world. A similar case is the legacy automakers, though these are somewhat better adjusting to the modern times. In my humble opinion, The manufacturing should be much more flexible, and the design & development periods must be cut to at least the third of what it is today, while an aircraft price should shrink to nothing more than half of today's prices. Operating costs should follow case. Surely legislation and certification needs to cope correspondingly too. Perhaps the world needs an aviation Tesla. Actually even without one, I'm afraid the aircraft industry has already been rendered obsolete.
Would certainly hope Airbus will do everything they can to retain Emirates as a customer, surely a NEO would be the best and low cost option for all parties, the 380 is so popular with passengers it needs to stay in service for as long as possible, no serious alternative yet.
The a380 is not the answer. 777x and a a350-2000 would be a solution. 4 engines gotta go. And when 777x comes online everyone will be on board.
You cannot build a aircraft (a380) for one customer
777+
Great video. However I'm not sure how practical a 777-10 actually is. Boeing would have to redesign the landing gear, which they can definitely do, and getting another 50-100 aircraft would go a long way to helping the program.
All that being said, Boeing is clearly in a better position than Airbus when it comes to widebody aircraft, and I have a feeling that the narrowbody bubble is going to burst at some point. The main focus going forward is going to be between regional aircraft like the A220, a midsize aircraft like the A321, which is seeing more orders than the A320, a midsize widebody aircraft like the 787 and a larger widebody like the A350 and 777-X.
Boeing would eventually have to invest in a midsize aircraft, and Airbus would have to invest in a widebody. We'll see how it all plays out.
Now is the time for the Queen of the Skies to rise again. You want more seating….have Boeing start building the 747-800 again and adapt it for passengers. Now used exclusively for
cargo work, this giant will surely solve the passenger problem for many airlines. The safety record and passenger "likeability" are without challenge.
Wow, a geared turbo fan engine! That's pretty amazing.
When I fly across an ocean I want to be in a 4-engine plane.
The A380 was screwed from the start and now because emirates has so many of them they’re gonna be screwed to
how many quarters of negative growth define a recession again? 7? If not you're in one
Boeing cannot finish its development and certification of 777X until 2024 or 2025. Given its poor development and quality track records recently, why do you think it can pull off the 777-10. And I am a Boeing shareholder.
Airbus could do a boeing
Use the existing A380 chassis, stick larger engines on it then use a MCAS system that will ignore pilot input
Then self certify it
why not buy the 10 current A380 with Qatar Airways. This way its get cut priced A380's and Qatar gets rid of these large planes that dont work in the current post Covid market plus there is no love loss for Airbus. Airbus could offer to refurb the planes on the cheap for Emirates plus it knows whether any other carriers might be in the market. I still think 20% "official" fuel burn is not enough. Emirates might be worried about Qantas long distance plans taking some Europe to Australia market share. A better fuel burn also offer an ideal plane for longer distance routes burning the same gas as current planes. Better to wait till RR gets the new Trent engine AND has an alternative engine in case the new Trent is a bust. New engines will need to accommodate the next low carbon fuels. Airbus might also like to attract some other suitors to any A380 2.0 ie the Americans and the Chinese. There are also plenty of near retired A380s that Airbus could offer to "refresh" and allow other operators to find new buyers for.
You are overlooking the main issue: Emirates don't have to make any money.
A 380, o avião mais belo e importante da história da aviação!!!!!!
A380 is a pure engineering marval, a lot of technology needs to create in order to make it fly. That helped Airbus in the NEO and XWB program.
Even if the decision was made to build a bigger aircraft on behalf of Emirates it would not be profitable for Airbus because they would produce over a thousand of aircraft to break even and then more airports upgrades and not too many airlines would be interested. So my belief is that it would never happen. I have always maintain that Boeing should have kept the 747 program going and not closing it altogether