Elden Ring's premise is basically Lurianic Kaballah, and the Tarnished is the Kaballist. The shattering and the gathering of esoteric shards of the divine order is central to Kaballah
Sorry,.. but Marika was never stuffed into a pot. She was the lone survivor. She did however use the hair of possibly her grandmother that potentially did achieve some sort of sainthood tho. That's what she was holding up at the divine gate when she became a god.
To be fair Diallos even failed at protecting Jarburg. I mean the fact he dies doing it is for the best. I wouldn't trust his incompetence to guard a pantry let alone anymore lives to his care.
Marika's is basically a philosopher's stone. Elden Ring themes is probably about the material, process, and fundament of the philosopher's stone. Radagoon is Marika's sulfur base side(red king). Marika herself is her salt base side(white queen). Godfrey and the renowned tarnish is mostly represent a lesser metal or material. The tarnish is the Mercury that cover all metal. To make a philosopher's stone, you need organic, metal, gas, liquid, poison(acid), flame, body, and spirit. Still sf games are Cryptid.
What if Radagon and Merika were two separate people merged into one…. in a Jar a warrior and a Shaman 🤔 and had ascended to sainthood BEFORE ascending to godhood at the gate of divinity. What if it was the Hornsent that created their own doom
A thing few people seem to talk about yet is that the putresence is something like a forerunner to the mimic tears. Mimic tears tries to imitate life, but putrescence is like an ooze left behind by dead bodies in the giant "coffins". I'd like to think these in sci-fi terms were seed ships and the putrescence is what was left after a long journey through space. It is basically a mass of dna, a thing that mixes all sorts of life like the crucible and the crucible and spirals are deeply connected. dna can be also seen as a double helix sort of like spirals. The Nox are connected to Marika's race so to say and thus with Shamans too. I think the Numen and Nox and Shaman came about and emerged from the big coffins/space ships that held genetic information. Maybe all life was or a lot of it. Shamans coming from this proto-dna ooze would explain why they can somehow merge together again into a big blob or how grafting can work too.
You get into some pretty heavy speculation but I enjoy the leap you take. I have always envisioned the Lands Between, or the world we play in, as something metaphysical. There's a lot more going on in the larger universe than is in the gameplay, I have always thought the Lands Between to be more of a planar container than an actual physical place (like how Arda (Middle Earth) was flat before the events of Numenor and the world was made curved), and now we see that the Land of Shadow has actual fingerprints of the surface of it, like it's been handled from the outside, a lot like a jar.
I think Leda's words when describing the hornsent ("they were never SAINTS") hold some kind of importance. They still leave room for interpretation: did all of their attempts to attain sainthood fail? Or did the one involving Marika succeed only to turn into the undoing of their civilization?
So, about the snake skin in bonny village. What if marika wasn't the only success? Maybe it looks like the god devouring serpent because it is, and the reason it can meld with rykard is because it was a product of the flesh melding
Wrong. The Shaman Jarring has happened way after Marikas ascension, there is ZERO evidence thst it happened before but there IS evidence that it started after
I believe Marika was doing everything to escape her original fate as a Shaman, which would've involved her being subjected to the horrors of being fused with external sources. She likely made a vow in Shaman Village involving revenge against the Hornsent for what they did to her people.
The Fell God was feared by the Hornsent, so I believe Marika used her power to lead them into slaying the Fire Giants, earning their trust by committing genocide and initiating the Age of the Erdtree… becoming a God shortly before this, I assume. She killed 2 birds with 1 stone: 1) Gained the favor of the Hornsent/Crucible, and 2) Eliminated a power that could have destroyed her Erdtree. She would then use the Crucible/Hornsent and her Lord Godfrey to conquer the Lands Between, systematically eliminating any potential threats to her Order, but once none were left, she banished the Crucible and sent them away without grace so they could never return and simply spread the good word of God… lol.
She clearly had no loyalties to Godfrey as a lover since she is referred to as a "Strumpet" by the hornsent and had many bastard children. I even believe she had an affair with Radagon, leading into the conception of Messmer and Melina before he ever went to fight Rennala and the Carians. That could easily explain how Messmer is seen as "Radahn's elder brother" alongside Gaius.
Once Marika took Radagon as her Consort, I believe she began openly persecuting the Hornsent since this would've been the exact time the Crucible/Godfrey were long gone, and every last major player is taken off the board (Carians, Stormhawk King, Morne soldier and his allies, Fire Giants, and others).
Also, I'm 90% certain when Marika sent Messmer into the Realm of Shadow with the rest of the lands she removed from TLB, she had him take all of the blame and made it seem he acted on his own, which is ultimately why the Serpent is seen as a "traitor" or "blasphemous".
(This is huge speculation territory) Because of her crimes, I do believe the Law of Causality and Regression came into play. Her committing genocide and likely earning the ire of the Fell God led into the conception of Radagon as a curse upon her, which I believe is a twisted reflection of Marika because of the path he follows to eventually earn her favor… and forces her to succumb to her original fate. Radagon seems to have done everything in his life to usurp Marika and become a "complete" being. He likely knew what she was by the time he initiated his plans and became the Champion of the Golden Order. And think about it… All of her children with Radagon are cursed. Her children with Godfrey were either human or hornsent… which aren't cursed.
The Black Knife Assassins who were supposedly "close" to Marika at some point were likely loyal to her until they realized she had become a monster, arguably even worse than the Hornsent, and chose to betray her by forming an alliance with Ranni and Rykard and murdering Godwyn on the condition that the Age of the Erdtree would come to an end, which we know Ranni's end goal involved.
I do not believe Marika housed the Elden Ring, but instead wore it as a crown and necklace, similar to Miquella's Circlet of Light which is said to basically be another object that would've helped him establish his Age of Compassion. Therefore, it is likely the Elden Ring took the form of a crown as well.
There's a lot of implications involving Radagon's connection with Alchemy, and it all leads to a solid theory that he wanted to become his own Magnum Opus. Radagon was NEVER part of Marika until he forced himself to become one with her and attempted to fuse the Elden Ring into their conjoined body to become "complete", which was his greatest desire that we know of. The time-frame of this event is confusing (as is the entire time-line in general), but it likely happened after the Night of the Black Knives, where Marika would've been vulnerable if Godwyn's death led to her despair. Radagon would've begun assimilating her, and Marika around this point would've tasked Hewg to create a weapon that could slay a God. Then before Radagon's plan could come to fruition, Marika would have shattered the Elden Ring.
Boom, Marika and Radagon's arc (sloppily) explained.
This is a great video! However, I don’t think Marika created the Elden ring as there is evidence that there was an Elden ring by the pictures from Farm Azula. Placidusax was the consort to the previous God presumably the vessel of an older version of the ring. My opinion is Merica copied a lot from what time had before and made it her own.
"Wearing your scars as a badge of honor." This kind of reminds me of how Marika's missing braid never grew back. She left that piece of herself in her village and that scar never healed and became a constant reminder of the tragedy in her past. Though it might also indicate that she is not physical anymore after her ascension, her body is not changing naturally, her hair doesn't grow. Her visual representation is a memory of her body, it's like a living statue, that cannot grow.
Also, I think the Elden Ring itself is metaphysical in the sense that it refers to the cycle. A cycle of gods and lords, societies rising and falling, it's a metaphysical circle, an ouroboros (funny how the snake becomes the enemy of Marika since the snake also symbolises this neverending cycle). When Marika breaks the ring, she essentially breaks the cycle. Much like Ranni is trying to, explaining why they might have worked together on the NBK.
Wait wait wait…so is Marika just the Emperor of Mankind from 40k????? A shaman whose soul melded with others, becoming much stronger in the process? Forged an empire now in decline? Demigod children that descended into a chaotic civil war? And an absolutely TERRIBLE parent? Omg this is beautiful
Great theory!!
Marika's story is quite jarring.
Elden Ring's premise is basically Lurianic Kaballah, and the Tarnished is the Kaballist. The shattering and the gathering of esoteric shards of the divine order is central to Kaballah
Sorry,.. but Marika was never stuffed into a pot. She was the lone survivor.
She did however use the hair of possibly her grandmother that potentially did achieve some sort of sainthood tho. That's what she was holding up at the divine gate when she became a god.
i think this is my new headcanon lol
But the elden ring existed already, how did Marika and the Elden Beast met each other? How did the elden ring passed from Placidusax's god to Marika?
To be fair Diallos even failed at protecting Jarburg. I mean the fact he dies doing it is for the best. I wouldn't trust his incompetence to guard a pantry let alone anymore lives to his care.
Marika's is basically a philosopher's stone. Elden Ring themes is probably about the material, process, and fundament of the philosopher's stone. Radagoon is Marika's sulfur base side(red king). Marika herself is her salt base side(white queen). Godfrey and the renowned tarnish is mostly represent a lesser metal or material. The tarnish is the Mercury that cover all metal. To make a philosopher's stone, you need organic, metal, gas, liquid, poison(acid), flame, body, and spirit. Still sf games are Cryptid.
What if Radagon and Merika were two separate people merged into one…. in a Jar a warrior and a Shaman 🤔 and had ascended to sainthood BEFORE ascending to godhood at the gate of divinity. What if it was the Hornsent that created their own doom
I wonder if this is how Radagon and Marika fused – in a jar.
A thing few people seem to talk about yet is that the putresence is something like a forerunner to the mimic tears. Mimic tears tries to imitate life, but putrescence is like an ooze left behind by dead bodies in the giant "coffins". I'd like to think these in sci-fi terms were seed ships and the putrescence is what was left after a long journey through space. It is basically a mass of dna, a thing that mixes all sorts of life like the crucible and the crucible and spirals are deeply connected. dna can be also seen as a double helix sort of like spirals.
The Nox are connected to Marika's race so to say and thus with Shamans too. I think the Numen and Nox and Shaman came about and emerged from the big coffins/space ships that held genetic information. Maybe all life was or a lot of it. Shamans coming from this proto-dna ooze would explain why they can somehow merge together again into a big blob or how grafting can work too.
You get into some pretty heavy speculation but I enjoy the leap you take. I have always envisioned the Lands Between, or the world we play in, as something metaphysical. There's a lot more going on in the larger universe than is in the gameplay, I have always thought the Lands Between to be more of a planar container than an actual physical place (like how Arda (Middle Earth) was flat before the events of Numenor and the world was made curved), and now we see that the Land of Shadow has actual fingerprints of the surface of it, like it's been handled from the outside, a lot like a jar.
I think Leda's words when describing the hornsent ("they were never SAINTS") hold some kind of importance. They still leave room for interpretation: did all of their attempts to attain sainthood fail? Or did the one involving Marika succeed only to turn into the undoing of their civilization?
So, about the snake skin in bonny village. What if marika wasn't the only success? Maybe it looks like the god devouring serpent because it is, and the reason it can meld with rykard is because it was a product of the flesh melding
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Wrong. The Shaman Jarring has happened way after Marikas ascension, there is ZERO evidence thst it happened before but there IS evidence that it started after
Saw the Thumbnail answer: She is the Vessle of the EldenRing after the Death of Godwin she got mad and destroyed the Ring.
I believe Marika was doing everything to escape her original fate as a Shaman, which would've involved her being subjected to the horrors of being fused with external sources. She likely made a vow in Shaman Village involving revenge against the Hornsent for what they did to her people.
The Fell God was feared by the Hornsent, so I believe Marika used her power to lead them into slaying the Fire Giants, earning their trust by committing genocide and initiating the Age of the Erdtree… becoming a God shortly before this, I assume. She killed 2 birds with 1 stone: 1) Gained the favor of the Hornsent/Crucible, and 2) Eliminated a power that could have destroyed her Erdtree. She would then use the Crucible/Hornsent and her Lord Godfrey to conquer the Lands Between, systematically eliminating any potential threats to her Order, but once none were left, she banished the Crucible and sent them away without grace so they could never return and simply spread the good word of God… lol.
She clearly had no loyalties to Godfrey as a lover since she is referred to as a "Strumpet" by the hornsent and had many bastard children. I even believe she had an affair with Radagon, leading into the conception of Messmer and Melina before he ever went to fight Rennala and the Carians. That could easily explain how Messmer is seen as "Radahn's elder brother" alongside Gaius.
Once Marika took Radagon as her Consort, I believe she began openly persecuting the Hornsent since this would've been the exact time the Crucible/Godfrey were long gone, and every last major player is taken off the board (Carians, Stormhawk King, Morne soldier and his allies, Fire Giants, and others).
Also, I'm 90% certain when Marika sent Messmer into the Realm of Shadow with the rest of the lands she removed from TLB, she had him take all of the blame and made it seem he acted on his own, which is ultimately why the Serpent is seen as a "traitor" or "blasphemous".
(This is huge speculation territory) Because of her crimes, I do believe the Law of Causality and Regression came into play. Her committing genocide and likely earning the ire of the Fell God led into the conception of Radagon as a curse upon her, which I believe is a twisted reflection of Marika because of the path he follows to eventually earn her favor… and forces her to succumb to her original fate. Radagon seems to have done everything in his life to usurp Marika and become a "complete" being. He likely knew what she was by the time he initiated his plans and became the Champion of the Golden Order. And think about it… All of her children with Radagon are cursed. Her children with Godfrey were either human or hornsent… which aren't cursed.
The Black Knife Assassins who were supposedly "close" to Marika at some point were likely loyal to her until they realized she had become a monster, arguably even worse than the Hornsent, and chose to betray her by forming an alliance with Ranni and Rykard and murdering Godwyn on the condition that the Age of the Erdtree would come to an end, which we know Ranni's end goal involved.
I do not believe Marika housed the Elden Ring, but instead wore it as a crown and necklace, similar to Miquella's Circlet of Light which is said to basically be another object that would've helped him establish his Age of Compassion. Therefore, it is likely the Elden Ring took the form of a crown as well.
There's a lot of implications involving Radagon's connection with Alchemy, and it all leads to a solid theory that he wanted to become his own Magnum Opus. Radagon was NEVER part of Marika until he forced himself to become one with her and attempted to fuse the Elden Ring into their conjoined body to become "complete", which was his greatest desire that we know of. The time-frame of this event is confusing (as is the entire time-line in general), but it likely happened after the Night of the Black Knives, where Marika would've been vulnerable if Godwyn's death led to her despair. Radagon would've begun assimilating her, and Marika around this point would've tasked Hewg to create a weapon that could slay a God. Then before Radagon's plan could come to fruition, Marika would have shattered the Elden Ring.
Boom, Marika and Radagon's arc (sloppily) explained.
apparently shaman was not quite the right translation, might be more like priestess in the Japan sense not the western sense
I dont believe she is/was a jar. A bit of a long strech
Is it just me or the small falling particles after putting Marika head back implies she's crying?
She's like an alchemy pot.
Did anyone else see a tear fall when marika's head was put back on or was that a piece falling off?
It matches with the Japanese obsession with Qabbalah and Gnosticism which Qabbalah is obsessed with the shattering of the vessel (jars)
This is a great video! However, I don’t think Marika created the Elden ring as there is evidence that there was an Elden ring by the pictures from Farm Azula. Placidusax was the consort to the previous God presumably the vessel of an older version of the ring. My opinion is Merica copied a lot from what time had before and made it her own.
"Wearing your scars as a badge of honor." This kind of reminds me of how Marika's missing braid never grew back. She left that piece of herself in her village and that scar never healed and became a constant reminder of the tragedy in her past. Though it might also indicate that she is not physical anymore after her ascension, her body is not changing naturally, her hair doesn't grow. Her visual representation is a memory of her body, it's like a living statue, that cannot grow.
Also, I think the Elden Ring itself is metaphysical in the sense that it refers to the cycle. A cycle of gods and lords, societies rising and falling, it's a metaphysical circle, an ouroboros (funny how the snake becomes the enemy of Marika since the snake also symbolises this neverending cycle). When Marika breaks the ring, she essentially breaks the cycle. Much like Ranni is trying to, explaining why they might have worked together on the NBK.
Wait wait wait…so is Marika just the Emperor of Mankind from 40k????? A shaman whose soul melded with others, becoming much stronger in the process? Forged an empire now in decline? Demigod children that descended into a chaotic civil war? And an absolutely TERRIBLE parent? Omg this is beautiful
It makes you wonder if all the life found in the Lands-Between, were beings that spilled out from this jar after Marika and Messmer burned many away.