26 thoughts on “Dr. Robert Zubrin – The New World on Mars: What Can We Create on the Red Planet?”
Excellent presentation.
I believe that language will be a primary factor determining which groups will choose to become independent. Speaking of which, there wasn't mention of the Outer Space Treaty. Groups on Mars who declare their independence won't bell sign up and hence won't be bound by it.
I believe that language will be a primary factor determining which groups will choose to become independent. Speaking of which, there wasn't mention of the Outer Space Treaty. Groups on Mars who declare their independence won't bell sign up and hence won't be bound by it.
I’m feeling a huge disturbance n the force when Bob mentions the connection to pioneer past. one thing is for sure, if the Martians are going to feel a unity, it will be because of old tropes of the frontier. These tropes existed both in the West, e.g. ‘go west’ and for the Soviets too, who vaunted ‘to the East!’ as the Russian influence crept to the East during the 19th century. And to Crimea.
A captivating and enlightening presentation by the always excellent Zubrin ! But delivering it with such a poor video and audio capture is a disgrace, shame to the incompetent operator !
(life as center of the universe – to surrect planets is how to live in a universe ) melt large amounts of ice with reflectors, water a absorbs dust and radiation as heat, boiloff be greenhouse insulation and atmospheric pressure – once it rains fish can survive mars nature (ice as building material be self sealng and give vast structure in no time )
Slave labour will be provided by autonomous robots that can deal with the harsh environment. I suspect that robot manufacturing and service will become an early growth industry. Martian ''slave ships'' will carry electronic robot brains from earth for use in the robots that are manufactured on Mars. Robert is correct that the whole thing will be dependent upon energy availability. ALSO…I have yet to hear a Mars Society video that had good audio. Finally, may I recommend that the question period for every public conference be done by audience texts which are then curated to keep the crazies out and lead to concise questions that can be read to the audience by a speaker, and therefore heard.
That "natural resources" didn't exist means just a word play. Parts of the world use to be settled when an exploitation of them becomes possible because technology has altogether proceeded, accordingly; that's a stronger law than that you'll obtain some inventions when people settle a new region.
The European immigrants of 18th-century North America have indeed be innovative – just think of Oliver Evans and his automobile. But North America then has wildly differed from what you have to expect on Mars inasmuch as the country largely lay there empty, waiting to be settled on a level of technology like it had already been achieved in Europe. Its native inhabitants had vanished because they had lacked immunity against Old-World pathogens. Under such circumstances, not only penniless Europeans but in particular also adventurers and idealists from the Old World have created an especially vibrant community. The USA may also have profited from a strong natural selection that has happened on the ships with which the immigrants have arrived. On these ships, the mortality has often reached similarly high values like on the ships with the slaves.
The big hub of technological and scientific innovation of the 18th century clearly still has been Europe.
Inventing requires education, experience, wealth, time, space, in particular also good food. A poorly nourished brain does not work well. Thus, you typically obtain a boom of technological progress only in regions which before have already undergone quite a long phase of preparation. Such regions often appear as historically new centers in a longer-term hindsight. Germany, for example, has already begun to arise as a new power when its armies have thrown back Napoleon, in the early 19th century, but still in the late 19th century, its products have been just as poor, compared with the ones of other nations, as the products of Russia have been it a few decades ago and certainly often still are it now.
I.e., one can indeed expect a phase in the closer future of Mars during which Mars will become a major exporter of leading technology, but hardly still within the current century. Until then, Mars will rather resemble the Soviet Union than early America. The planet will hardly become popular among geniuses who can afford a better life on Earth, until then. It will painfully endeavor after a local production of as much as possible, just like the Soviet Union has done it, while suffering from a big artificiality of everything economic. That it should become able to export food in bigger quantities any time soon must appear as a joke.
As a credible notion can appear a future of Mars in the role of a pacemaker of spaceflight, but also concerning this there will exist competition. Luna, for example, has an even weaker gravity and can much more quickly be supplied with machine parts from Earth.
The scenarios on habitats shown from 20:16 are deceptive. They suggest a much bigger abundance of sunlight as arriving on Mars than it really arrives there.
I love Zubrin, even when I think we'll never go to Mars, or not hundreds or thousands anyway. But the visions of humans on Mars certainly drives our imagination.
On the $700,000 price tag per person to get to Mars… It cost America a million dollars per soldier deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. We sent 1.5 million to those wars. They were sent to occupy deserts as stark and barren as Mars with at least as high a chance of death and no chance of building a life there. So I don't buy that cost and risk are credible deterrents to colonizing Mars. We and I mean America alone if we had to could do it. We just have to decide to do it.
He seems rather dismissive about not need a magnetosphere to protect the atmosphere after terraforming. He uses Venus as an example, which has a higher gravity, but also no water vapor. Also ignores that Mars once had running water on it's surface. Terraforming Mars into a livable atmosphere and then letting it blow out into space would be a world-ending tragedy.
Unfortunately, the United States is not going to be the only settling country. China; Russia; India as well as Europeans will want to make settlements on Mars where essentially, separate cultures and reflections of the country of origin will also be exported.
Initially, there will of course be cooperation which might Lead to some form of shared goal setting a little bit like the original cooperation in the space race that has now fallen away.
I very much hope the human race successfully colonises at least our solar system but it will be done through competitive forces as was the case withthe the United States. Once you have different cultural powers acting in the same environment, you will have the foundations for war, Note, I am referring to cultures and not skin colour which the United States seems to be pre-occupied with as evidence of diversity. Settlers will initially be friends but as civilisation becomes more secure, there will be battles for resources. Of course, this might not be militaristic but more like cyber or economic sanctions. A key difference will be that artificial intelligence and robots / androids will be available where humans will not necessarily be required. Communication means that options such as 3-D printing using Martian resources will be available where again humans will not be required other than to make a territorial claim.
Even now, with all of the knowledge and economic resources that are available, we are still killing other human beings for territory and political power reasons.
"Twas always thus and always thus will be" At the moment, we are moving to a closed future and not the Star Trek future. Economic powers such as the world economic forum with support of global governance are literally moving to remove our liberty to be controlled by relatively few people in power. For example, the world health organisation treaty Wants to introduce a global digital health wallet where we will be tracked alongside any digital currencies government will introduce that will steal our personal wealth and how we choose to use it.
iThe future being built today is one of oppression and tyranny and less freedom. This includes less intellectual freedom as you will be aware of in restricting the rights of a student in university to think and speak freely. I vote for a Star Trek future…
Let's summarize: child labor, racially and etnically pure colonies, women's reproduction controlled (abortions and birth control forbidden) and of course everyone with a gun to defend their resources. Can you guess whose fantasy this is?
You people are living in fantasy land. Humans can't even hardly do these things on earth. Best thing to do with mars is turning it into a prison planet. Get rid of all the folks who are screwing up everything by sending them to their own planet.
Excellent presentation.
I believe that language will be a primary factor determining which groups will choose to become independent. Speaking of which, there wasn't mention of the Outer Space Treaty. Groups on Mars who declare their independence won't bell sign up and hence won't be bound by it.
Excellent presentation.
I believe that language will be a primary factor determining which groups will choose to become independent. Speaking of which, there wasn't mention of the Outer Space Treaty. Groups on Mars who declare their independence won't bell sign up and hence won't be bound by it.
I’m feeling a huge disturbance n the force when Bob mentions the connection to pioneer past. one thing is for sure, if the Martians are going to feel a unity, it will be because of old tropes of the frontier. These tropes existed both in the West, e.g. ‘go west’ and for the Soviets too, who vaunted ‘to the East!’ as the Russian influence crept to the East during the 19th century. And to Crimea.
Always love a good Zubrin Mars talk.
Mars is that crucial first step to lead to the giant leap into the universe.
To boldly go.
A captivating and enlightening presentation by the always excellent Zubrin ! But delivering it with such a poor video and audio capture is a disgrace, shame to the incompetent operator !
(life as center of the universe – to surrect planets is how to live in a universe )
melt large amounts of ice with reflectors, water a absorbs dust and radiation as heat, boiloff be greenhouse insulation and atmospheric pressure – once it rains fish can survive mars nature
(ice as building material be self sealng and give vast structure in no time )
Slave labour will be provided by autonomous robots that can deal with the harsh environment. I suspect that robot manufacturing and service will become an early growth industry. Martian ''slave ships'' will carry electronic robot brains from earth for use in the robots that are manufactured on Mars. Robert is correct that the whole thing will be dependent upon energy availability. ALSO…I have yet to hear a Mars Society video that had good audio. Finally, may I recommend that the question period for every public conference be done by audience texts which are then curated to keep the crazies out and lead to concise questions that can be read to the audience by a speaker, and therefore heard.
What a shame you had your dog film it………………………..
Hello
terrific presentation
I wish more people shared Robert's optimism
That "natural resources" didn't exist means just a word play. Parts of the world use to be settled when an exploitation of them becomes possible because technology has altogether proceeded, accordingly; that's a stronger law than that you'll obtain some inventions when people settle a new region.
The European immigrants of 18th-century North America have indeed be innovative – just think of Oliver Evans and his automobile. But North America then has wildly differed from what you have to expect on Mars inasmuch as the country largely lay there empty, waiting to be settled on a level of technology like it had already been achieved in Europe. Its native inhabitants had vanished because they had lacked immunity against Old-World pathogens. Under such circumstances, not only penniless Europeans but in particular also adventurers and idealists from the Old World have created an especially vibrant community. The USA may also have profited from a strong natural selection that has happened on the ships with which the immigrants have arrived. On these ships, the mortality has often reached similarly high values like on the ships with the slaves.
The big hub of technological and scientific innovation of the 18th century clearly still has been Europe.
Inventing requires education, experience, wealth, time, space, in particular also good food. A poorly nourished brain does not work well. Thus, you typically obtain a boom of technological progress only in regions which before have already undergone quite a long phase of preparation. Such regions often appear as historically new centers in a longer-term hindsight. Germany, for example, has already begun to arise as a new power when its armies have thrown back Napoleon, in the early 19th century, but still in the late 19th century, its products have been just as poor, compared with the ones of other nations, as the products of Russia have been it a few decades ago and certainly often still are it now.
I.e., one can indeed expect a phase in the closer future of Mars during which Mars will become a major exporter of leading technology, but hardly still within the current century. Until then, Mars will rather resemble the Soviet Union than early America. The planet will hardly become popular among geniuses who can afford a better life on Earth, until then. It will painfully endeavor after a local production of as much as possible, just like the Soviet Union has done it, while suffering from a big artificiality of everything economic. That it should become able to export food in bigger quantities any time soon must appear as a joke.
As a credible notion can appear a future of Mars in the role of a pacemaker of spaceflight, but also concerning this there will exist competition. Luna, for example, has an even weaker gravity and can much more quickly be supplied with machine parts from Earth.
The scenarios on habitats shown from 20:16 are deceptive. They suggest a much bigger abundance of sunlight as arriving on Mars than it really arrives there.
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I love Zubrin, even when I think we'll never go to Mars, or not hundreds or thousands anyway. But the visions of humans on Mars certainly drives our imagination.
On the $700,000 price tag per person to get to Mars… It cost America a million dollars per soldier deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. We sent 1.5 million to those wars. They were sent to occupy deserts as stark and barren as Mars with at least as high a chance of death and no chance of building a life there. So I don't buy that cost and risk are credible deterrents to colonizing Mars. We and I mean America alone if we had to could do it. We just have to decide to do it.
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What do you mean women???? How about non binary, trannies etc.????? Aren't you going to make Mars friendly to all people or just cis people???
LOL.
‘Zubrin City’ one day there will be on Mars. Could listen to him all day 👏🏻
2:48 . . . A good paraphrase ? : " SpaceX is now a Superpower on par with the national space agencies of the World ! "
He seems rather dismissive about not need a magnetosphere to protect the atmosphere after terraforming. He uses Venus as an example, which has a higher gravity, but also no water vapor. Also ignores that Mars once had running water on it's surface. Terraforming Mars into a livable atmosphere and then letting it blow out into space would be a world-ending tragedy.
Unfortunately, the United States is not going to be the only settling country. China; Russia; India as well as Europeans will want to make settlements on Mars where essentially, separate cultures and reflections of the country of origin will also be exported.
Initially, there will of course be cooperation which might Lead to some form of shared goal setting a little bit like the original cooperation in the space race that has now fallen away.
I very much hope the human race successfully colonises at least our solar system but it will be done through competitive forces as was the case withthe the United States.
Once you have different cultural powers acting in the same environment, you will have the foundations for war, Note, I am referring to cultures and not skin colour which the United States seems to be pre-occupied with as evidence of diversity.
Settlers will initially be friends but as civilisation becomes more secure, there will be battles for resources. Of course, this might not be militaristic but more like cyber or economic sanctions.
A key difference will be that artificial intelligence and robots / androids will be available where humans will not necessarily be required. Communication means that options such as 3-D printing using Martian resources will be available where again humans will not be required other than to make a territorial claim.
Even now, with all of the knowledge and economic resources that are available, we are still killing other human beings for territory and political power reasons.
"Twas always thus and always thus will be"
At the moment, we are moving to a closed future and not the Star Trek future. Economic powers such as the world economic forum with support of global governance are literally moving to remove our liberty to be controlled by relatively few people in power. For example, the world health organisation treaty Wants to introduce a global digital health wallet where we will be tracked alongside any digital currencies government will introduce that will steal our personal wealth and how we choose to use it.
iThe future being built today is one of oppression and tyranny and less freedom. This includes less intellectual freedom as you will be aware of in restricting the rights of a student in university to think and speak freely.
I vote for a Star Trek future…
Let's summarize: child labor, racially and etnically pure colonies, women's reproduction controlled (abortions and birth control forbidden) and of course everyone with a gun to defend their resources. Can you guess whose fantasy this is?
You people are living in fantasy land. Humans can't even hardly do these things on earth. Best thing to do with mars is turning it into a prison planet. Get rid of all the folks who are screwing up everything by sending them to their own planet.
Hollywood has proven you can live off Potatoes on Mars, and Rob has proven you can film a Mars Conference on a Potato, what can't potatoes do?