Dr. Arthur Brooks On Success, Happiness & Deep Purpose | Rich Roll Podcast



Harvard Professor & Atlantic columnist Arthur Brooks joins Rich to talk about cultivating happiness as you age, redefining success, and living a meaningful life. To read more about Arthur and peruse the full show notes, go here👉🏾https://bit.ly/richroll683
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00:00:00 – Intro
00:02:35 – Spiritual Practice in India, Dalai Lama, Love & Metacognition
00:08:09 – Arthur’s Background Primer on Searching for Happiness
00:15:13 – How Anticipation for a “Reward” Relates to Addiction
00:17:46 – The Satisfaction Paradox & The Fluid Intelligence Curve
00:20:31 – Being on the Declining Side of the Fluid Intelligence Curve
00:24:49 – Examples of Charles Darwin, Gregor Mendel & J.S. Bach
00:30:38 – AD BREAK
00:32:30 – The Transition Between Fluid and Crystallized Intelligences
00:36:42 – Rich & Arthur Confront Their Current Pursuits
00:45:32 – It All Has to Do with Love
00:48:38 – We Tend to Over-index on Work and Don’t Invest in Faith, Family & Friends
00:56:10 – AD BREAK
00:57:45 – How to Define Happiness – Satisfaction, Enjoyment, Meaning + Purpose
01:04:10 – Happiness in Three Steps – Do the Work, Practice It, and Share It
01:06:19 – Lack of Age Diversity in the Work Force
01:10:21 – How Receptive are Arthur’s Students to His Teachings
01:12:38 – What Is Your Death Fear?
01:19:02 – Satisfaction = Have / Want
01:20:43 – What Is Your Idol?
01:26:19 – The Importance of Forming a Transcendental Walk
01:33:23 – Giving & Generosity
01:37:12 – Advice for Wanting Less
01:41:46 – Giving Away Parts of Your Identity
01:49:07 – The Practice of Discernment
01:58:13 – Closing Remarks

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45 thoughts on “Dr. Arthur Brooks On Success, Happiness & Deep Purpose | Rich Roll Podcast”

  1. this is a great video. And whilst i took quite a few notes, a reoccuring theme for me – in these types of videos, no one seems to discuss step one… how and where to start. that to me is the most difficult. when you are 'blown' and in brain fog…. i guess here – my key interest is his comments about visiting India a few times a year, how does one find a great guru in India? where does one start if you are completely 'burned out' of life and can't find purpose or meaning in much of anything?

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  2. I've not yet finished this. It is making me think too much. Knowing that my ability to be my best and sharpest self is in a downward trajectory is depressing. It reminds me of "Flowers for Algernon". I hope the rest can help me shift this perspective into something positive.

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  3. Rich Roll, great interview with Dr. Arthur! Very informative on the subject of agency and human happiness. I honestly think you're by far one of if not the best interviewer of this generation! Authentic and loaded with substance! Truly epic delivery Rich, keep (Roll)ing with the punches (btw no pun intended)

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  4. What a thoughtful interview. When Dr. Brooks said he was in love with the Catholic Church I have to admit I drew back. As a fellow Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ, I could not help but wonder why he wouldn’t say he was in love with Jesus rather than the Catholic Church. The church is comprised of sinners like me. Humans will always let us down, but Jesus is always faithful. Let our trust be in Him only.

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  5. This is one of those podcasts that you have to listen to multiple times to have a better grasp and appreciate the little lightbulb moments in the conversation ❤️❤️❤️

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  6. Sufism (Fountains of Noor)

    “Part of the perfection of existence is the existence of imperfection within it, were there no imperfection, the perfection of existence would be imperfect.”

    —al-Shaykh al-Akbar Ibn ‘Arabi

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  7. I really enjoy the interview. I just wanted to bring notice to something.. Success, happiness and deep purpose? That would make sense except for the fact that you said you support your son who’s a sniper. In what ways can a sniper be good? Do you believe in the fake lines called countries? Why would you support someone who is trained to shoot most likely other people? This isn’t a conscious way of thinking. Sorry to break the news.

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  8. Add a comment…

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    He mentions: MONEY, POWER, PLEASURE, FAME. I’d suggest he missed MEANING. I’d tend to use: SECURITY, INFLUENCE, EXPERIENCE, RESPECT…MEANING. Interestingly, neither of these two famous guys chose fame for themselves though they embrace it, clearly! So can we know ourselves? My larger point is a ranked approach is less problematic than a primary. Self awareness begs we consider how we are motivated, I concede. BUT…the individual experience has so much more complexity so allowing any one of these avenues to happiness to dominate will prove an elusive solve. MEANING, which the model is lacking, has risen to my top over the years. Enjoyed the conversation though — two smart, wise guys! And it helps with some decisions I am making at 57.

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  9. This is a fascinating conversation, and I have not completed listening to it, but I certainly will.

    I want to share an experience at the university level. I am a theoretical physicist and had a problem understanding my first-grade teacher as she taught us how to count. I am autistic and always sat at the back of the classroom. Mrs. Scott (my first-grade teacher) taught us to count our fingers, but my mother had taught me at a very young age to count in a rhythmic manner.

    Mrs. Scott counted the fingers on one hand and then the second hand; she held her hands behind her back and said, " This is the number zero:?( Of course, a counting number can not be 0 without designating it as such.

    So this issue is problematic in mathematics:?) It is not allowed in the scientific method (Physics), and most physicists do not understand the irrational issue. Euclid made an absurd assumption that precludes any use of Euclid like geometries i,e,, a point has no part:?(

    Mrs. Scott gave me Cs on every grade card. My numerical analysis teacher informed us we would not need a textbook because we would be writing it. He gave us the first homework and said he would assign the next homework when someone could prove it. I solved the first homework in fifteen minutes and continued that every class period until the last two, which were presented by two other students.

    I had been concerned that the class was not learning, but when the final grades were published, the class had done extraordinarily. I realized that I needed to do the same exercise on physics at the age of 70. I have rewritten all of physics; I am now 78:?) Stating by throwing Euclid, Newton, and Einstien in the trash bag.

    I am sure we are going to have some interesting conversations. None of the mathematics can pass the scientific method test. The reason is this irrational absurdity junk. Scientists must be based on human observation. Postulation is not based on human observations.

    Postulates are statements that are assumed to be true without proof. Postulates serve two purposes – to explain undefined terms and to serve as a starting point for proving other statements. Two points determine a line segment, and a line segment can be extended indefinitely along a line.

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  10. New subscriber. Just recently ran into your channel . and I can't stop watching. learning so much about how I can improve myself . Enjoying all the videos.. Thank you for the great work you're doing .it is beautiful ..Much success and blessings to you & your family. 🙏.😊

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  11. I always loved close friendships, reflecting and deep thinking, having fun and being creative. Those things and friends, family and travelling makes me happy. When I was younger I loved trying out new creativie things, courses and different jobs; especially creative ones. It's like exploring those areas. After a while I wanted to try something new. I felt very curious and loved learning new skills. I loved my last work because I never got bored with it. It was very creative in so many different areas at the same time. After about ten years there I could not work more, because of an autoimmune illnes that got to bad. That was the first time ever I stayed that long at the same company. It was because it was very creative, new things to soulve and challenging in some aspects, all at the same time. I felt a bit excited all the time. I am not sure that people just get tired in the 40s as mentioned in the video. I think that many who didn't reflect about life and the meaning of it, they do in a certain age. I thinkt they feel every dsy is the same after working many years at the same job. They often have more time to think about what they want when the kods aren't babies anymore. They also see that people they know die; maybe a friend or the parents. It makes you think about your own life, if you didn't do it before. Did you do the things you dreamed of? Sometimes you need to slow down to truly feel, be midful, reflect and and find out what you want. During hectic years you more or less just try to mangage it all. It is time to get to know yourself if you haven't already. ❤️

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  12. I began a career as an artist in 1979 at age 37 and never looked back. I am still excited to create every morning noon and night. Not gifted just followed my own nner curiosity and enthusiasm. Self expression is always a great drive. One secret to a fabulous clean and sober life is to feed curiosity.

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  13. I love Bach Too , I play Bach on my cello And the Suites are Pretty amaizing, piece of art, Thank for this inspiring talk Rich & Arthur! INFINITE BLESSINGS FOR EVERYBODY WATCHING
    Love from México 🙂

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  14. For me it doesn't work having less . I tried it for too many years .I need more that's for sure. But thats me . I represent no one else . I discovered big parts of my path to be more accurate big parts if who i am . I couldn't decide about nearly nothing in my life . I hope to discover much more ,& enjoy many more things inside myself & outside myself before i die .

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  15. The highest happiness cannot be attained by becoming more self-centered, more powerful, getting more material things for myself. So, a person cannot be the center of their existence and try to do their own will all the time and expect to find any real happiness in this way.

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  16. To understand happiness please read stoic philosophy, meditation audio book by Marcus Aruleus, do what you love and work for a hard challenging goal. For me to learn medicine and human caring is most satisfying job especially working with high risk cases and the poor Un noticed ordinary people just human beings as we all connected. One has to train self to live healthy alone if that is the event and soothing self.

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  17. Arthur Brooks is brilliant. This was so enjoyable to listen to, and I couldn't agree more about accepting the reality of our capabilities as we age and make a change towards where our strengths are, instead of trailing behind those who simply are better placed to do the work. As someone working in tech, I feel this a lot of late.

    It's extremely heartening to see examples of people who manage to move gracefully through different career paths in mid life and most importantly, enjoy those transitions.

    Spirituality is a tough one for atheists. Given the source, I'm encouraged to investigate this one a bit more closely though. 🤞🏼

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  18. I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. Very personal for my. I'm 70 and trying to figure out what to do with the last third of my life. I'm really struggling with creating a coaching biz that isn't happening. Thinking about that second curve in life. Thank you. I'll check out your book.

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  19. Love your talks. You sound so enthusiastic, energetic, and happy. There are elements that I need to improve since I am an introvert and don't have a lot of trust in people. I find that many people use others for their own gain.

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  20. I have my own secret formula for happiness: (1) read books that are less than 200 pages, (2) listen to songs that are shorter than 3 minutes, and (3) watch youtube videos that are less than 10 minutes. This one is 12x my max limit.

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  21. So thrilled to have stumbled upon your channel and this podcast today. So very much in line with the core values I have come to see more clearly in my life over the past 10 plus years and counting. Living in, around and with the over sixty crowd, this podcast has been like a breath of fresh air because so many have become so set in their ways, stuck in their routines and unwilling to strap on their boots and begin to adventure like they have never done before. Recently I was speaking with my husband about a strong feeling I have, that there is a lack of mentorship and community of older women mentoring and sharing pearls of wisdom with the younger generations in the way it was done when I was a young girl. Your podcast today has been the third nudge I have received from the heavens above that this, is perhaps indeed, the beginning of the next chapter of my life….. so I thank you both. ❤

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  22. Religious people just forever think that people who are not religious are just missing an understanding of which they have. No, actually you might be missing understanding that they have. There are infinite possibilities for how we were created, what might be watching over us, and what could happen when we die. So who cares. It's irrelevant. You create your own afterlife by figuring out how to live endlessly. Morals come from our existence here! Not through some fear of God. Please stop preaching your religion. Apart from that though, this guy is incredible

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  23. Big fan of rich roll but kinda rude to accuse dr. Of lacking humility just cause u lack it urself nevertheless big fan of you both keep up the profound groundbreaking work 💪🏼 ❤

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