Ep. 360
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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Dr. Peter Attia discuss healthspan, lifespan, obesity, the profound difference simple changes can make, diseases such as cancer and diabetes, and realistic ways you can actively work toward a higher quality of life.
Dr. Peter Attia is a renowned physician and longevity expert, specializing in metabolic health and performance optimization. With a background in mechanical engineering and a medical degree from Stanford University School of Medicine, Dr. Attia brings the principles of Medicine 3.0 to patients with the goal of lengthening their lifespan and simultaneously improving their healthspan. Through his podcast, “The Drive,” and his website, he shares insights on longevity, nutrition, and human performance. Possessed by his passion for helping individuals achieve optimal health, he combines science, data analysis, and personalized care to inspire others to prioritize metabolic health and lead fulfilling lives.
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(0:00) Coming up
(0:11) Intro
(1:23) Lifespan v. healthspan
(5:18) Cognitive decline and exercise
(10:30) Why exercising is difficult to start
(12:10) The benefit from going zero to three hours a week
(14:33) Setting positive behaviors
(17:36) Weightlifting and Cardiovascular exercise
(20:33) Grip strength is a great marker for life span
(22:03) Sarcopenia: loss of muscle mass due to age
(23:10) Rucking as a means to bypass cardio plateaus
(25:20) The best exercise for your lower body
(26:00) Eccentric strength: why the elderly fall
(27:37) Working up to height
(28:47) Diabetes, metrics of testing
(32:13) Decline in insulin sensitivity
(35:01) The difference between healthy and nearly dying
(38:47) What your eye doctor can see
(41:34) How much fat your body can actually store
(45:30) In awe of the liver, how glucose is stored in fat
(48:01) The food pyramid was not produced by scientists
(50:35) The Standard American Diet is SAD
(54:04) Are all calories created equal?
(58:23) Arthritis and diet
(1:00:01) Scientific literature on the carnivore diet
(1:02:41) Restrictive diets, weight loss and inflation
(1:09:09) Appetite and endurance on restriction diets
(1:11:52) Concentration benefits
(1:14:35) Cancer hits its peak first
(1:16:57) What’s happening when cancer spreads, self v. non self
(1:20:14) What you can do about cancer prevention
(1:24:12) The challenge in optimal screening
(1:27:32) Lesser known drivers for cancer
(1:29:05) Almost no research funding goes towards prevention
(1:30:51) Where should the resources go?
(1:33:30) Youth and exercise, standing desks
(1:34:37) The system does not do what the name says it does
(1:35:33) Emotional health and longevity
(1:37:33) Fear, lockdowns, and mental impact
(1:38:46) Self care
(1:41:04) Through the lens of a patient
(1:43:05) Self Authoring and Future Authoring
(1:46:30) A three pronged plan for healthspan
(1:47:31) The marginal decade exercise
(1:49:18) You need a reason to change
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Exactly why at 70 have always thought schools should have mandatory gym classes 9th, 10th, 11th grades for boys and girls!
41:30
A truly fine conversation. Nicely done gentleman..
What I've discovered is that you're right but you're completely wrong exercise has to be weight-bearing
My best friend is an oncology nurse. She has a family history of colon cancer. She has been getting colonoscopies since age 35 and is up to date on yearly labs and gynecological exams. Her blood sugar and a1c started to increase last year so she went keto with good results. She was just diagnosed with pancreatic cancer! WTF I have been following a keto and carnivore diet for 2 years and have watched numerous videos and interviews on the subject of metabolic health. Since she is familiar with keto, I'm trying to give her as much info as possible on fighting cancer with diet and fasting. Being an oncology nurse, and now underweight and sick from the chemo, she is not very receptive to the idea. I feel so helpless.
I don’t believe the Dr’s idea that increasing your VO2 max is the key to longevity. There are more 70-80-90 year olds who were never serious athletes than vice versa. Exercise is important but having a bunch of seniors doing intensive workouts 3 or more times a week is ridiculous.
Can we get some of the sources, where is the studies and research papers so we can actually verify the statements ?
Excellent podcast, definitely provided more true and concise information as to why I need to be better at caring for myself and how a difference 3 hours a week would be so beneficial. Thank you both!
Profound. I hope that these two doctors will work together again, and soon, to help us with how to overcome the psychological barriers we have to self care. God bless you both.
I love to exercise, especially weight lifting with good form. However, I unfortunately have genetic predisposition to arthritis and had my knees, hips and shoulders replaced. Furthermore, my father lived to 98 years and did not exercise, ate cereal for breakfast and no salads for dinner. His lunch was his breakfast. I believe genetics is not discussed enough. One can ruin a life thru drugs, alcohol etc., but to extend one’s life, I don’t believe so, personally.
Don't know what long-term screening costs but my late stag 3 carcoma cost my insurance $975k over 7 months
17:31 "so.. yea. So okay ok so let so.. what do you think- wha wh what did you conclude.." 🤦😂🤌 that one was gold professor
Thank you♥ great conversation. I'm very impressed.
Plants have antinutrials like lectines, oxalates and other, all bad for your body, realted to gaining worse body fat, metabolic disease, potential cancer, Sally K Norton wrote Toxic Superfoods, so carnivore is the diet to which our DNA is designed for.
And they do this, without being politically correct or worrying about your feelings. They speak, factual, honest, and unbiased.
I would love to be a Guinea pig for the carnivore diet if someone decides to do this. I’ve lost 50 pounds, but am still 270 pounds at 5 foot 5. I had a pulmonary embolism two years ago and luckily went into the emergency room and found it, but I had gained a lot of weight in two or three years. Luckily I also had a sleep study too and that has helped. Strangely enough my pants size only went up one or two from 250 to 330. Thank you for this amazing podcast!
Hipocryte Peterson the sayer of "don't bother children when skateboarding" is now supporter of Israel: children killers
The US doesn't use the Food Pyramid anymore. The US uses MyPlate now.
Rucking applies no less pressure on the knees than any other gravity-based low intensity exercise. The amount of pressure of any gravity-based exercise will depend on the amount of weight in the pack, the distance of thestep and equally important, the sp
I was a college hockey player and got to some training sessions with pro team at 16yo. Unfortunately from 17 to 19 I was a stoner/loser and gave up sport. At 20 I already decreased weed and alcohol and finally decided to top being a piece of sh!t and went for a 10 minutes jogg followed by 3 minutes of rope skipping at 5am every days. At 23 I completely gave up smoking, did my army school, moved to the UK to learn English, started train thaï boxing, wrestling and grappling. I'm now 37, full shape. I train thaï boxng on Monday, wrestling Tuesday, Thursday and jogg 4K on Saturday morning up long hill basically 25 minutes of up hill jogging. Going back to sport saved my life. Many of my friends from teens are either back in and out prison and/or on heavy drugs or depression. My life changed from the evening I decided that the day after Ild start jogg and rope skipp 15 minutes all together. I train now with guys age around 20 and I keep up with them easy. Sport is a medicine and therapy in the same time. No needs pills or psychoatrist
Yes, choose a doctor that says only what you want to hear, that reforces your ideology, and leave science far far away from here.
People, never, i say, never, when you want information about health, listen to just one professional, especially in this channel with A LOT of ideology. What am i saying is that there are institution this days, like de American College of Lifestyle Medicine, where science is important (😂) and you can listen to professionals talking about strong evidences, serious studies, made it with ethics, that show where is the best we know about food for exemple.
I am taking a Nutrition Science class. Dr Attia has thrown out almost all the concepts and terms I am learning and he is much better at it than my lecturer 😩😂🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I'm currently giving the carnivorous diet a go. I am allowing one cheat day, mostly for convenience than anything else. The one thing I've noticed is appetite changes. I'm rarely hungry compared to before. prior I had a good amount of meat and veg along with a lot of junk.
Two smart motherfuckers, that’s for sure.
I suggest Dr. Peter Attia's podcast. It's extremely high level content.
Whomever edited this podcast is an actual wizard. Well done.
So what he said was that you'll know in Canada about the colon cancer at an earlier time, but the caveat is you'll then die while on one of their waiting lists to get treated, though if you're lucky to have the money you can fly to the US or Mexico to improve your survival, of course that's if you have all of your COVID vaccines or they won't give you a visa to do so, LOL!
We've to read between the lines when listening to these know-it-alls!
At 65 I did a more healthy lifestyle than these two men combined, BUT EVERYTHING that the FDA TOLD US WAS A LIE because BIG PHARMA & FOOD CORPORATIONS pulled the IRON CURTAIN STRINGS OF THE FDA from 1965 to 2024 making 3 generations of Americans SICK and OBESE.
I’ll always be grateful for the love I have for soccer. I’m 30 and still play for hours multiple times a week plus workout in the gym. Don’t plan on quitting until my body can’t anymore
I am walking a average hour a day, i do however feel like i'm wasting a LOT of my life walking. So that brings you to the question/scenario: we on average sleep 8 hours work and travel 9 hours cook cleanand eat and the likes 3.5 hours a day that leaves us with 3.5 hours a day for weekdays and in the weekend we have extra chores and the likes so we get maby 8 hours for saturday and sunday. That is 33.5 hours a week of which i spend 7 hours walking. That is 21% of my life i have free to spend as i see fit i spend walking 21% that is a insane amount. say i don't walk and die at 65 i saved so much time i my life effectivly i lived the life of a 80 year old. Is it worth it? I'm unsure but at the very least i hopoe to get older healthier but i may just die of a random accident of heart attack and wasted over a decade of my life (relativly) waslking instead of living my life to the fullest.
And for those starting with lifing do get dumbells but get the adjustable 33 pound ones as a set of 2 (should be 80 bucks) but they let you train from 6 to 33 pounds. the most disks on it the better as that lets you make small steps. It may seem like a big investment for some but reality is that you move up target quick early on. I started with 8 pounds but within 6 weeks i was doing 25 pounds with 3 times the reps. (age 41) doing big steps can be hard and limit you and your progress will be hinrdered so getting the right set is a great thing. So more disks on the bumbell set is better! for woman maby get the lower weight ones to save money (sorry ladies you just need less weight 😉 but feel free to go full hulk if you want to lol.
And sorry but he is plain wrong when he said a coke in equal calories is the same effect on your body. It's just wrong. Coke is near instant calories so the body stores and your sugar levels spike due to excess. Steak is a slow intake of calories so the spike is lower and thus healthier. Coke would be almost the same if you spend 3-5 hours drinknig a can sip by sip every 10 minutes. This is why for diabetic people sugar is bad while steak is not even tho it's the same calories. Suger as a base is not bad but a lot at the same time is and reality is that you almost always intake a lot at the same time.
As for the high meat/proteine diet i went ot a high proteine diet but for a diffrent reason. I had issues withdrastic weight loss issues like 18 pounds a week for no reason or change from my part. I didnt lose weight and even gained weight (gained a bunch of muscle mass) but i didn't cut out the rest. But the one result that matters to me is that my body weight is way more consistent.
And i cant help but wonder if you take a ton of supplements along with that diet as it's missing a TON of minerals and vitamins.