In this Skyrim video we discuss the theme of betrayal and oathbreaking that is persistent throughout the elder scrolls V Skyrim.
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the arch mage of the college is an oathbreaker, he promised to stay with his friends until the end, but he left them behind to lock morokei away in the labrynthian – not directly causing the college quest but no doubt a big factor that they go out of their way to show you.
Video idea pretty please: discussing the complexities of the how Akatosh bestows the Dragonborn blessing, yet there are several Dragonborns that are possible Shezarines (Talos, Pelinal, The Last Dragonborn). Considering Akatosh and Shor are rivals, why would Akatosh bestow the blessing on an aspect of Shor?
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Also being able to switch sides at the start of the civil war by taking the jagged crown to the other side could be another example
To say that savos was the worst archmage is just plain wrong . When you the player become the archmage , what do you do stick around and be a good archmage ? Or totally ignore the college from that point on and go about your other quests ? To varying degrees I would say that the player character is definitely the worst archmage , depending on who's playing the game .
NO Don't Abandon Judy
Y’all are going to be THE authority when the next game comes out. Heh, IF it comes out…
@4:30 hey guys, double standards on that: they broke oath 1st therefore all bets and agreements are forfeit until new terms may be met. Thereby Ulfric is no oath breaker. He in fact acting to save the people of Skyrim from what he sees the situation to be. Namely, an Empire whom has betrayed them to their ancient enemies.
My head cannon: on the passing of the Dragonborn. For all the deals and promises he made to the Aedra and Daedra, they all show up to claim their Soul. As the bickering and fighting begins, Sanguine sneaks up to the Dragonborn with a drink in hand, and they sneak off together before the rest of the deities realise.
@11:00 Yes it is the Divine getting their come-up'ums 🙂
Ulfric also betrayed the Greybeards. Just by running off to the great war in the first place, he broke his pacifism promise.
I'd say Mehrunes Dagon's quest kind of does that by not doing that.
Dagon, besides everything else, is a force of change and evolution and meanwhile Pieces of the Past is essentially Silus lingering on past glories and being betrayed by Dagon in order to continue with the tradition of change and moving forward.
It's a bit murky with this one, as the tradition itself is constant evolution, but you know..
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Me:thinking Skyrim was about dragons n shit
These dudes:
To say in a way, this overlying theme that Skyrim presented was a call of honor. No matter how long ago, the discarding of the values and traditions and feelings and respects to all that came before are not measure lightly. You could almost say this immoral focus Skyrim wafted in was the encapsulating tone of the game; unfortunate as it is. Looking forward, the Dragonborns divine initiative to right the wrongs, stand up for the former, to move with warmth shedding light to those misguided in their ways, and cleanse Skyrim is a very interesting way to remember Skyrim. With hopes to see future installments of the series to temper a different core to its storytelling, Oblivions multifaceted storytelling and many branching themes, Morrowinds vast and complex culture, history and premise. Immorality and ignorance still trouble the current world today; yet the solutions to this lie in clarity, kindness and respect, realizing the former gave us the now, this is a world we all share and no matter what, being appreciative to how privileged we are and actively helping to improve the lives of others. We all want happiness and nobody wants to suffer.
With how many times and years I’ve spent playing this how have I never noticed that they’re all oathbreakers?? A bunch of PHONIES. Someone call Mark David Chapman
Oh the burning of King Olaf also falls in this idea.
This is really interesting, I didn't notice this, but I totally see it now! Also Bujold of Thirsk mead hall would be another example like Yamarz, maybe not breaking an explicit oath, but definitely not living up to the kind of leader she was supposed to be and ended up getting kicked out by the rieklings.
It's funny the last dlc for oblivion sees the player being joined to a daedra, it might be a coincidence but its likely the last dragonborne probably takes miraaks place. Bethesdas way of saying that no mater how power the player thinks they are, always end up being the bitch of the dardra. Probably a meaningless rambling lol, love your content
The Falmer are literally an entire race of people who are described as "The Betrayed." Of course, they first broke their oath of truce to the ancient nords.
Boethia wants you to lure a friend and betray them at the pillar of sacrifice, to kill a champion who has gone astray.
Mephala gives you the Ebony Blade, an artifact strengthened by the blood of friends.
Namira wants a sacrifice of a priest, who you have to befriend in order to devour them.
Did Alduin abandon his duties? Yes, he is the world eater but that isn't to say he is to do it now. If he had been specifically told to do it right away, then sure, but if it was left ambiguous and he just went about doing as he chose until the stars were right and like say, now when he returned. He isn't seemingly trying to take over the world. The war was already going on, people were fighting anyways and he just returned. Waking the other dragons and devouring the souls of the dead on the other side. What constitutes him eating the world? Swallowing rocks and mud? No. He is going to ultimately end all life that is and will be. The dwarves were sent forwards in time so in theory, he was doomed to fail but that isn't 100% established. But if he had succeeded, then I guess they might be sent towards a point in time where things might have been-whatever has been done with Nirn by that point or, just floating dead in space and immediately be devoured and that's it. Reasonably, he wasn't even necessarily screwing around before when he was first sent to our timeline, maybe due to the need for dragons to kill and control the population levels to make total extinction possible, he just had to take time. Giving the humans the chance to appeal for aid and receiving it meaning that no-he was never meant to succeed then. Probably not now or until after the dwarves reappear. Should be time enough by then for the gods and daedra to get kinda sick of life such as it is. Even advances in technology growing stagnant and things getting back to say, making Fallout 5?
So the gods are using the protagonist to restore the old ways almost thats funny 😄
The Solstheim companions in their mini-Jorvaskr (Thirsk) are in disarray and decline, as their leader puts no stock in tradition and the old ways. Bujold was not 'confirmed' by Hrothmund's (their founder's) spirit, and then lied about it to her fellows. Honesty is a Nord's most central value.
Bujold: "We need a new tradition… Instead of listening to a ghost in a tomb, we should steer our own destinies."
Kuvar: "Your words carry some wisdom. But if you truly believed in the spirit of Thirsk, you would have spoken them honestly. Instead you hid your shame… Get out of here. Run to the wilds… Go and attempt to earn your honor in the old ways."
Skyrim is a rustic land deeply imbued with tradition and history, giving it great character. But it's also in upheaval and chaos because of recent (Great War) and current events (Civil War/Alduin). That's always a nice clash and setting for storytelling. The protagonist can choose to set things 'right', restoring the land and people, punishing those who were insolent, selfish, or 'oathbreakers'. Or he/she can choose not to, promoting his own power, starting new traditions.
I'm honestly so confused about the whole Alduin/Akatosh thing. Akatosh is a result of a Nordic deity (Alduin) and an Elven deity (Auri-el) being merged. So Alduin and Akatosh should be different names for the same being. Like the whole reason Akatosh has a dragon appearance is because of Alduin, Auri-el was never depicted as a dragon. But if that's the case, how could Akatosh create a Dragonborn to set Alduin straight? Or did they somehow become two separate entities? I really can't wrap my head around it.
The blades broke their oath to follow the Dragonborn when Delphine told me to kill Paarthunax and I told her I didn’t want too.
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at first I thought you guys were saying " the abandonment of judy" and I'm like WHO TF IS JUDY???
The nords abandoned the old ways that includes magic, it only makes sense the College of Winterhold is in shambles.
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Great Video I did not know that nice to learn Lore but something I do know is you can leave Skyrim borders without Cheats or Mods👍
sooooo…basically: 1. Stay true to your roots, 2. be a responsible person who doesn't just abandon his/her duty.
Damn this video just inspired a new roleplay idea for my next character lol
In case it hasn't been said already, the Dwemer broke their oath to, or at least the trust of, the Falmer when they took them in.
Of course, the Dwemer had even more going against them than just this, but it definitely adds another perspective on just how willing they could be to take advantage of others for their own questionable gain.
It might be interesting to extrapolate this to their actions on Morrowind as well, or even the idea of the breaking of oaths to the series as a whole.
From Jagar Tharn, to the death of King Lysandus, the Tribunal and Dagoth Ur, and even Uriel Septim VII's illegitimate son, Martin, the Elder Scrolls is chock full of significant betrayals.
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Dear MudgeFuppet,,
Do you ever consider making remakes of you old Fallout builds like you did with your Skyrim ones?
I've been playing skyrim in all my free time over the last few weeks.
This popped up and I am afraid I'm gonna notice some overwhelming flaw that I've been pleasantly missing.