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If you're ever in a strange place and you feel a shiver up your spine, general unease, or the feeling you're not alone, that's basically what Sauron was reduced to.
Question, at the end of the 3rd age the elves and Gandalf left for the gray havens. Did radagast leave middle earth too?, do we even know what happened to the blue wizards at all? What happened to the nets?, what happened to Tom bombadil?
Another triumph for IDG. So instructive. So helpful.
After reading LOTR as kid I went back to Fellowship and re-read Gandalf's discussion of Sauron's fall if the ring were destroyed – and it always seemed to me that Sauron's story wasn't over. Sauron's asset was always his mind, strategic skill and 'scientific' knowledge. So, however reduced he was, if there was enough of him left to as much as push a pebble, or whisper into the subconscious of a single sensitive person, he might still find a way to seek revenge on the world of men, even if he could never grow or take shape again.
Gandalf didn't come back because he's immortal… his spirit should've gone back to Valinor and stayed there. He came back because Eru Ilúvatar intervened.
And Sauron lost his shapeshifting abilities when he fell with Númenor, millennia before the destruction of the ring. And it's said that he only survived that because of the Ring.
His spirit may still exist on some level, but he'll never take physical form again.
No, there saved you 9 minutes
"Let's start with what Tolkien actually wrote…" What a novel idea!
My obvious distain for certain pathetic goings-on aside this has been another fantastic video. Many thanks.
The Valar got him haunting a family in Texas.
Am I the only one that read somewhere that Manwae petitioned Eru that Mairon needed to be "uncreated"?
When I am remined of what Sauron became after the war of the ring. I am reminded of what Eru Illuvatar said to Melkor in the timeless halls.
“And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Silmarillion
Sauron put so much of his life force into creating the ring, and binding all of the other rings to him through the craft of Celebrimbor, that the one ring's destruction destroyed a great deal of Sauron. In the fourth age, he was nothing but a harmless dark shade dwelling in Mordor. Mount Doom cooled and the evil there dispersed. Think of Fourth Age sauron as just an uncomfortable feeling that makes the hair on your neck raise. In fact that's all Sarumon was when his spirit was blown to the east. In the end, both did nothing but to unite the races and nations of men according to Illuvatar's design. There was no way for Sauron to win, and there is still no way for his master Melkor to win. Bilbo was meant to find the Ring, and Frodo was meant to take it to Mount Doom.
I've always thought of Sauron's & Saruman's endings much the same. They're not alive, but they do still exist. They're aware of the world around them just as they were in life, but they have been left so utterly & completely powerless that they can no longer affect it in any way whatsoever. Doomed to look upon the results of their total failure forever.
You always have such an interesting and eloquent way of talking and conveying your thoughts. This makes your videos so interesting!
Yes, the ring is his horcrux, so he can't come back again. He never had his horcrux destroyed before. Lesson learned- don't transfer a part of you to a physical object that can be destroyed.
Head cannon reason for why Bilbo and Frodo were taken West was because as ring bearers they contained a small amount of Sauron and leaving them in MIddle Earth would let Sauron regrow.
Sauron…no. Evil…yes. That’s the lesson of Tolkien. Evil lives on.
The bad guy, when this bad, always has a piece survive. It’s just the way it goes. So there will always be a “bad guy” to worry about. Kinda of like we can’t have world peace. That would be too simple
In the woke reboot sequel, Sauron comes back to life as a Black Gay Trans Dwarf Drag Queen and dances for the Hobbit children. Sauron is the hero in this story.
Yeah he's building another tower for the fourth age
Sauron could never regain his physical form… on his own.
He survived by was reduced to Nancy pelosci
0:34 you forgot the part where Aragorn institutes a fair income based tax policy
The real question will the Rings of Prime survive they terrible writing, acting, and overbearing wokeness?
So we must be in the 5th age. Social media had allowed Souron to reform but his skin is orange and his Twitter account deleted?
Tolkien said he did not die, but that he was permanently maimed – becoming a mere spirit of malice gnawing itself in the dark, never to grow or take shape again…
those that came in contact with Sauron I assume, after his death would have a little of him inside of them.
The deleted scenes shows Sauron crawling out of the rubble, looking around, and going "Oh crap…"
Maybe hus greed for power caused his ultimate destruction. He bound his godly power to a mortal ring attempting to control a mortal world, making him mortal. So when his ring was destroyed he was. I thought it was like the death of Xenagos God of revels from Magic the gathering. He was a planeswalker but he foolishly wanted more power in the world he was in despite being stronger than he could imagine.
Or maybe all things are immortal because maybe the father God wishes to see them redeem themselves? He waits for Sauron to be the prodigal son? Morgoth too? But not the spider she can stay damned.