Offenses seem to have a strategic edge of defenses in today’s game, so what does this mean for development? Are there differences between International styles of development and the US pipeline? Also, should minutes played be a major determiner when selecting All-Stars? With @codyhoudek. Support at www.patreon.com/thinkingbasketball
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1:25 – Update on ORTG in the last month
5:20 – Dynamic Offense: cutting + stampeding
13:38 – Player development within context of evolving game
23:50 – Shooting development
34:50 – PSA AllStar voting and importance of minutes/game played?
45:57 – PSA 2: AllStar vs. AllNBA vs. MVP voting criteria
49:30 – PSA 2: Is AD an AllStar?
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https://youtu.be/GxZWMzH7zPo?t=799 – Cognitive load is a topic discussed heavily within European Football. What it takes to be a playmaker in Football is something that is trained and is attributed to Messi's greatness within the sport.
Spot on observation!
43:20 To Cody's point, there's seems to be a minute threshold, like Jimmy Butler in 2021. Jimmy only played 15 games by AS break even though when he played he was clearly an AS caliber player.
To Ben's point, there weren't any issue getting Shaq in the '98 AS game even though he missed half of the games going into the '98 All Star Game.
In those 22 games he missed Lakers still had the 3rd Best Offense in the NBA during that stretch and played at a 55+ Win Pace without Shaq. Yet Shaq was still comfortably selected for the All Star Game despite missing a very large chunk of games.
Jason Kidd is a guy that came to mind as someone who improved his shot later in his career. But that sort of thing could always be a change in the kind of shot a player is taking (i.e. more open shots). However, I think teams used to always just dare Kidd to shoot.
can we get some live commentary of a game🙏🙏 like on a twitch stream
19:30 ??????
Total area of Europe and USA is roughly the same, that's true, but they are not even close when it comes to population. There is 745 mil. people living in Europe compared to 333 mil. people living in the US. The difference is literally more than twice as much.
I know that it actually strenghtens the argument you were making, but come on, I thought that out of all podcasts you guys actually check the numbers you use in discussions.
Oh my god, Cody looks so different from what I imagined him by only listening the podcast
Steve Nash was way older than that cutoff when he broke through.
Loving the uploads of the pods to youtube. Keep up the good work!
Counterpoint regarding no minutes/games threshold. What about players who played only a brief stretch of games at an All-NBA level but haven't proven they can keep this kind of production up? If MCW played only his first game during the rookie season would you vote for him to be an All-Star, Ben? Should Zion be an All-Star his rookie year?
brook lopez who seen where the league was going and started shooting threes I don’t think he was in his thirties when he did it…jonas valanciunas also did it to a lesser extent…but ya there aren’t very many guys that became good shooters in there thirties
Mitchell Robinson is the guy who I point to as an example of who y’all are talking about with the “what if JJJ came in this year and was just meh, then maybe that’s just his ceiling” conversation.
Maybe it’s just Thom Thibedeau spoiling potential because he has such a short leash, but I’m just starting to decide that a lesser version of deandre Jordan is what he is, when I thought he had a good shot to be the more athletic version of deandre Jordan.
I’m very much on the side of Cody in regards to the discussion of minutes played and its relation to All-Star voting. You are voting for a player from their play from game one to game 50 or so. It is as simple as that. All-NBA is for full-season achievement.
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Edit: I also found a book that talks all about basketball around the world callled Big Game, Small World: A Basketball Adventure by Alexander Wolff
Another great book like How Soccer Explains the World is The Age of Football by David Goldblatt. It basically explains the politics and development of soccer in every country
Cody nails the All-Star game, 100%. All star selections are crap anyway.
shai is also international tho
I think the reason development in Europe and around the world is a mix of a couple of things
First: they have more freedom in what they learn you would always hear stories of how american players were only thought post moves and rebounding only to just stop growing and have to learn how to dribble when they're older but players like domantas,jokic,and even back then with kukoc and arvydas know how to pass dribble have a decent jumpshot at 6'7 plus
Second: I think playing some different sports as weird as it sounds like look at Hakeem he played so many different sports that helped with his footwork and jumping and hand eye coordination and jokic too who took things from water polo to help with touch passes and how he rebounds
I think because of the mass pool of athletic talent in America A LOT of coaches are able to skate by just by scalping all the talent in there area. Development is pushed to the side for your ability to provide highlights. Coming up in these AAU environments I’ve seen that happen over and over and over.
long discussion which boils down to "should we use WAR or DARKO"
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