Check out Starforge and grab yourself a new gaming setup today: https://starforgepc.com/MynameisByf Destiny 2’s Lore and Story in the Final Shape will likely lead to the defeat of The Witness. But in the aftermath of that defeat, there will be a significant power vacuum and the question will inevitably arise. Who will replace the Witness? There are several strong contenders such as Nezarec, but the question really boils down to which Disciple will take the lead with the forces of Darkness.
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Nezarec doesn’t care about command. He only cares about his access to pain and torment.
Savathun now just wants to live to deceive.
Xivu will get her head caved in by Caital.
The closest to a new disciple/witness replacement is Clovis. Just my 2 cents.
I feel like it's very likely that the Witness's forces will splinter. We've got more than enough potential individual leaders, people beholden to the Witness with their own individual ideals and motives, it feels like a good direction to go narratively too since we've been focused on the influence of this big overarching threat for such a long time. We've seen the singular threats that the Darkness can produce, we've seen the singular vision of the Witness, what happens when the various forces that were previously tied down to this god-like being fracture? What happens when that singular uniting vision is replaced with the chaos of many?
I could see Eramis taking the remaining dark-aligned Fallen, Nezarek could take the Shadow Legion since that's what he had access to in Root of Nightmares, maybe a desperate Rhulk reviving in an almost zombie-like state and claiming most of the remaining Scorn, Xivu Arath could take the Hive, and the Dread and Taken could be used by two other disciples, either ones we already know about or new ones.
Nezerac is the obvious choice since its ability to transcend death, I think of it as the shadow king in X-men villains. But correct me if I am wrong, but doesn’t Xivu Arath get stronger through conflict? Meaning the current onslaught activity, or did Xivu Arath lose that ability when Eris Morn cut her off from her throne world?
It's going to ve tge guardian. And we will destroy the black fleet or banish it somehow
probably Taniks, Disciple of Telesto
Is there any specific reason the Witness created the dread rather than using taken? Is it because he only discovered the taken later or is there some other reason I can't think of?
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It would be insane to see Cayde-6 come back as Cayde-7 as a disciple of the witness
I know this doesn't have much to do with the video but id love a human villian, like somone trying to overthrow the vangard or something
What if, without the Witness, the Dread could start expressing social tendencies with the Disciples (that remain, including Nezarec), potential 'friends' (like Clovis), and resurrected dead (like Rhulk – they can clone Subjugators, won't surprise me if they tried to bring him back by cramming what's left of him into another body). Some could perhaps, even, commit a grievous sin: being brave, devoted, and self-sacrificial, and becoming qualified for Guardianhood.
Risen Dread; ushering despair and begetting hatred.
Still. If the Subjugators as we know them already express enough pride to bow in respect before an engagement, then there's a chance that, without the Witness, they may try a wildly different approach.
Furthermore, Nezarec thrives on pain, fear, and negative emotions; he will seek to tailor future situations into dramatic and agonizing experiences – though other Disciples will try to either seek out survival by making amends for the trouble they've caused by relying on their Final Shape's less utterly eradicative goal, or perceive the Witness as a martyred people (which is arguably terrifying; a neigh-unstoppable fleet from a dead civilization that has gathered champions of other dead civilizations with the express intent of showcasing why these persons were picked).
Ironically, the Black Garden Flower's words about 'a dead thing raised in the shape of the dead' to fight for a 'dead god' kind-of play to this. Which is probably not what the Witness would've liked to've happened in the event they were stopped.
Still, I do not expect Witness to be so simply destroyed. They are a people entire; to destroy them once is to not so much kill the pyramid as to cause it to fracture and fractalize, becoming an untold number of shapes and manifest concepts and unveiled people – some of which no doubt would flee and express relief in their freedom, to the paradoxical joy/horror of the Witness themselves, exposed as a final individual, no longer holding a race's worth of power.
No stronger than the Speaker if they threw hands.
Though that's merely my present shape of speculation.
I havnt watched yet, but just on the title, isnt Xivu a disciple just as Oryx was before her!?
Sticky is so underrated, glad he got mentioned.
maybe they made nezzy wezzy easy bc they know they're bringing him back after we defeat the witness…. 🤔
Could it be the glaive from season of defiance was one the witness gave mara? Like Rhulk knew the witness warned her so he msde a glaive to suit her purpose but mara took it and ran, thinking "I know a guardian who'd kike this" but kinda forgot about it until much later
Plot twist: the guardian is the successor
Ngl Rhulk was wasted on Vow
I dont thing we gonna defend the witness, i cannot see any power the guardian have to defend her, but what i can see is that we helped traveler and traveler it self killing the witness.
I pray Nezzy gets a redesign if he returns..
The only way Xivu could regain power is to "twist" her body.
Having a body similar to Rhulk/Nezerac would give her a chance.
Great video Byf! But… Mass Effect 3's ending is still bad 🙁
Nezerac will take over the dread. I dont think there will be this 1 big villain for awhile. Hence the disconnect of the episodes. I think the threats will be smaller with more intricate repurcussions. Think of the dark age with the iron lords.
Bass is to high in your mic. Other than that great work as always
With glaives being the tools of the disciples I'd like to know how the others fit in
The issue with xivu is that the whole process was really vague, we had no idea such thing was even possible, so my guess is that she is still on the list (maybe not because of the episode that hints at her) but not because of what eris did because it was a completely new mechanic and she might be able to undo it with ease.
Taniks will rise again
If all glaives were gifts to a disciple then what are the edge of _ glaives. Idk if you have a video on this sorry if you do
Honestly, I'd love if bungie would make a former friend turn foe…. Mara…. they should make her the next big bad. Having techeuns and Distributary soldiers as an enemy faction, with Petra Venj caught in the middle of alliances/ being a double agent (feigning loyalty to Mara while feeding info and tactics to guardians). Venj eventually getting caught and Mara making an example out of her but not before she feeds us with info of Mara's plans for the future of the universe
I really hope it’s not nexarec he’s a boring character to me. Oh yeah another character that lives off the pain and suffering of others daring today aren’t we?
If the witness is actually defeated, then i think thematically Nezarac is the next obvious choice. That being said… If we haven't been able to destroy the Vex yet, and we can't keep Nezarac dead, then how tf is Bungie going to have us kill the Witness in a satisfying way?
Plus, knowing Bungo, they'd probably have Mara Sov fill the power vacuum.
When The Witness disappears, so does his power, no one is going to be able to take in that kind of primordial energy, except for us, the guardian
I still don't understand why the witness did not turn oryx into a disciple who was powerful enough and had the similar objectives but he chose calus instead
The Witness is to Megatron as Nezarec is to Starscream – indestructible spark