MauLer and co lay out a defense for God of War 2018 and Ragnarok against people who claim its gameplay is lackluster or, in more extreme cases, outright bad.
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I really liked this game, probably more than Ragnarok and i feel sometimes it gets more hate than it deserves, luckily we have the EFAP guys here to argue some of the bad arguments that people have againts it.
When it comes to art objectivity is pretty useless to me. Something might be the best thing in the world, but if I subjectively don't enjoy it that doesnt count for anything. I vastly prefer the older GoW games. You can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt the new ones are better and yet that's pretty irrelevant to me.
Sorry for long message.
The problem with the game ragnarock is that its rushed. The ending is not satisfying at all, the spectaculars were barely there during the boss fights with odin and thor. You just fight them in a random place until they get beaten. Even baluder had more dynamic and interesting scenarios when fighting kratos. Look at baldur fights compared to thor and odin fight and its night and day. Ive never felt kratos would die in fact ive never had a ounce of stakes because kratos just beats every one. Also i didnt like Odin as a character, they tell us how bad he is but never truly us show it, i mean he killed brock but that was near the end, and to tell you the truth i didnt care about brock since there is like 20 characters other than him that i aslo didnt care about. People gush over how smart and manipulative odin is but what did it he do? He failed to convince kratos and his son, he was caught by brock and instead of talking his way out he killed brock blowing his cover and failing to get the mask, he sent hemdall to get killed basically and practically gave the horn to kratos by doing that, he threw a baby rage and killed thor, you know when he probably needed him most and so many more stupid decisions, i believe odin is a terrible character thats not even interesting to watch he just acts like a generic mafia boss…
And that's not even mentioning the stupid filler this game has, dont even get me started on the whole section of angerboda or whatever her name is. Huge waste of time on a character thats not even important to the main plot! And how boring kratos is in this game always sad about his past or how he cares about his son or how much he doesnt want war repeated constantly though out the whole game! Sure we get glimpses of interest, especially when he killed hemdall highlit of the game but it goes nowhere for his character he is right back to being his usual self. I thought it would be a turning point or atleast some doubt if he can truly change but nope after killing hemdall he is the complete same.. boring.
I am here again once, as time has progressed to this part of the day to beg the efap gods to do an efap movies on 30 days of night
Mauler you need to replay all 3 GOW games from PS2/PS3 era to see how they changed Kratos.
Mega man has interesting platforming.
Very cool thanks 💎
Didn't realize this many people hate Ragnarok
Damn this might be efaps worst ever comment section so many kids whining that they didn’t get what they want because odin at the end of ragnarok didn’t summon the death star and darth vader and thanos to help him in the final fight
Is efap really arguing playforming wasn't an important aspect of the original god of war series? Don't tell me this is the kind of defense i can expect
I didnt like the new games for several reasons such as their interpretation of Norse Mythos and i didnt like the combat too much either. Ragnarok seems worse in that regard, but i mean if they like it, they like it.
It's funny to see EFAP pulling the defence they used to criticise others to defend that crap games.
How does Marc feel about the FF7 Remake/Rebirth brand of FF action combat?
Imo im not a big fan of the new GOW gameplay wise, story wise its fucking great id read a novel about it if i could, but the older games had that goood DMC style action, maybe im just being biased but eh
Where is the clip of them all claiming the end of Ragnarok is a good ending:
the entire orginal trilogy where he didn't care about being a god and hated gods
"Men should not worship monsters"
"The boy is cursed"
"You hate gods all gods no surprise that includes yourself"
"I know but I am your monster no longer"
"There are not good gods boy"
Get to the final scene of Raganrok where some idiot thought it would be a good idea that Kratos would want to be a god again, and be praised as a good god. instead of idk destroying the mural in response since he wants to be a mortal, and hates himself. instead he cries tears of joy.
Efap "this is the greatest thign ever" clowns
God of war 2018 is just meh…I think 3 was way better
I'm surprised that this video wasn't covered back when Raknorok was still new.
Gow 4 and 5 are great games, flawed? Yes….nothing is perfect but they are still great
satisfying gameplay, with well written characters, great storytellings and all that
But what i like to fight against giants monsters like the old days? Yeah sure but i don't mind that we didn't get to fight them, is ironwood long? Yeah but i guess i'm the only one then cause i quite actually enjoyed it but eh oh well so yeah great masterpieces….they are not perfect, they got problems but they are still masterpieces cause they earn it….they earn to sit next to other great games that are masterpieces as well period
And yes dookie baby inc was involved in god of war but i'm glad and relieved that they didn't take over it like what they did with the suicide squad game…that game was completely taken over by that shit studio but thankfully not god of war though, they touched Gow a little bit but that's about it
And no God of war ragnarok is not rushed and it ain't woke
I am old enough to have seen the "Sceptics TM" downfall, and I can already see the rot setting in. This will not be pretty.
I don’t know whether it’s because the nature of discussing GOW is a little less simple than shitting on the Sequel Trilogy or recent MCU slop, but EFAP chat’s average IQ takes a fuckin nose dive whenever GOW comes up.
There’s like 20hours of them discussing these games, and they address some of the most popular criticisms of the games. Why are people wasting their time in the comments when most of their points are addressed in the streams they’ve already done. They even have a guest to shit on the “modern game dev” design elements that people rag on to no end, in Theo’s appearance.
Perfect timing, I literally finished Ragnarok yesterday 😂
The new game removed all unique gameplay mechanics of the originals. Its just a generic 3rd person game with characters from god of war. Its still a good game. But i wouldnt call it god of war.
Weird for Rags to criticize somebody for elitism, when he himself has outright advocated gatekeeping hobbies. Not a good take here, guys. God of War 2018 isn't that good.
Beta: Synthetic Man sucks, GoWR is good.
Alpha: David Jaffe is an evolutionary dead end and Santa Monica are soyjaks.
Sigma: Raiden and Dante are true Gods of War.
P.S. goatee chin beard is the most cringeworthy cancer of pop culture since birth of "rap is better than metal" degenerates.
I do have to admit, I think the new GoW games are kinda boring, for me. I can acknowledge they are good games, tho. Just not my cup of tea.
I'm sorry but I much prefer older games' DMC-for-babies gameplay than newer games' Dark-Souls-for-babies gameplay. Being locked to a behind the shoulder camera is just completely disappointing too.
“Mauler is dominate” lol, what?
I wonder how much of the hate this game is getting is related to SBI. I despise SBI as well, but if that's the case, then the hate toward these games is misplaced.
In shit like SS:KTJL their influence is out in the open. In the new GoW games? Much harder to say for certain. If a wizard appeared and said, "nope, none of them did anything to this game" I'd say that I'm not surprised.
The one thing that I don't like too much is the combat/camera angle. I don't want melee TLOU. I hope in the next game they try a different approach. I think GoW combat should be faster, closer to something like DMC5 if they want to modernize it further.
Re4 is not survival horror lol
The new GoW games are way better than the old ones. Its not even close.
I find it odd in the world of remakes at the moment GoW4 is actually one I respect as a sequel that extended the story in a meaningful manner.
I just finished Final Fantasy Remake as Rebirth had come out and I was right to stop the first time I tried playing through… I hated what they did to the story and the new story is god awful… not to mention its padded up to the gills.
I'll be honest; I didn't have any interest in nuGoW just due to the fact that it was Norse based.
Still think it’s strange how many writing issues and cringy moments from GowR , the efap crew either brushed off or actively enjoyed
Greek god > norse god
For years, I was very indifferent to the God of war games, but after seeing them covered on EFAP, I wound up playing the original trilogy, the 2018 game and ending with Ragnarok, which is now one of my favourite games.
Forever thankful for getting me more interested in this franchise.
Sweet Baby Inc was created the same year Santa Monica studio released the god of war 2018 soft reboot! As of the release of 2018 God of War, Santa Monica studio is a client of Sweet Baby Inc and Ragnarok was worked on by Sweet Baby inc. Sweet Baby Inc worked on Ragnarok with character and narrative consultation with an focus on representation (their own words on their site!) any defense of 2018 Santa Monica studio is invalid and ignored!
Over 400 comments and still none of them can give me multiple reasons as to why god of war ragnarok is objectively badly written AHAHAHA EMBARRASSING from soynthetic man brigade
I don't feel the need to defend things that i think are genuinely great, only things i know are flawed but i like anyway. So yes, they're flawed. Particularly Ragnarok, with it's overused and heavy-handed "deconstruction" of the traditional character of Kratos and the shoe-horning in of real world races that don't belong in the setting.
There's more, but those big 2 are enough. If u like the game that's fine, doesn't mean everyone who dislikes it is wrong tho.
This whole defence just feels like cope, and something they would have made fun of before.
Well, this is about Ragnarok, so expect comment sections full of absolute morons who still unironically share synthetic manlet's opinions without playing the game or engaging with the story in any way.
Oh, you're gonna have a field day with Halo takes. Infamously, he said Halo ruined first person shooters.
Wtf is the comment section of this video LMAO. EFAP can’t defend GoW 2018 and Ragnarok without a bunch of Synthetic Man fans barging in to say that they’re wrong without reasoning why
Think Mayo’s stance would be less of an issue if it was like “Yeah, the platforming and the combat while wall climbing weren’t as engaging as the original trilogy’s standard combat controls. However, that doesn’t mean the new games needed to take them out or reduce their presence necessarily, if they fleshed out those systems so they didn’t feel like filler it would have been something I would call a change for the better.” This is often a contention I see Elder Scrolls fans take with going from Morrowind to Oblivion to Skyrim, they just kept removing stuff and not saying no to the player. But no, Mayo has to go the batshit route of denying things exist in the new games because he doesn’t like how they are handled. Remember, this is part of a video where Mayo is selling you on the idea that GOW 2018 ruined Resident Evil Village. I certainly couldn’t tell you how they relate, and neither could Mayo evidently.
Oh no under the Mayo
I like the new GoW games a lot, but they definitely has some issues with the writing, Ragnarok especially. But the vibes of 2018 are immaculate
The OG Trilogy has a special place in my heart and, as a whole series, I enjoyed them more but I liked the the new games better individually. Hard to explain.
mayo is the worst game critic on youtube and its not even close