Dear Elon Musk, why not send Falcon Heavy and Red Dragon to Mars?
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Dear Elon Musk, why not send Falcon Heavy and Red Dragon to Mars?
Itâs too bad Mars is such an interesting place, because itâs actually one of the most difficult places to visit in the solar system, especially if you want to bring along a lot of luggage. That planet is a graveyard of missions that didnât quite make it.
Especially, as our ambitions grow, and we think about exploring Mars with humans â maybe even future colonists â weâre going to need to solve one of the biggest problems in space exploration: Successfully landing heavy payloads on the surface of Mars is really, really hard to do.
In this case, Starship, the prevailing vehicle of Mars discussions, is the biggest rocket ever built, and of course, it is the heaviest.
So, why not Elon Musk use Falcon Heavy and Red Dragon to Mars?
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Dear Elon Musk, why not send Falcon Heavy and Red Dragon to Mars?
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Not gonna lie the first people to Mars, male or female,…they're gonna have some titanium cojones. They'll make it to the planet only to face the most dangerous part of the trip, the landing. No thanks, maybe 25 years ago, but I've wised up since then. Good video manđ.
You skipped over the bit where Red Dragon has no way to get you back to orbit. With so little cargo space – no habitat space and no airlock – the crew would be dead in a matter of days to a week.
Skipped over Artemis 1âs COMPLETE SUCCESS on its maiden prototype launch and mission to earth orbit, then lunar orbit and return. It can be done if you use mature, seasoned engineers! And Artemis didnât even destroy the launch pad!!!
"One of the most difficult places to visit in the solar system"?
Other than our Moon, I think you will find Mars is the easiest place to visit!
Not saying it's easy BUT, name another planet that would be easier, let alone possible to visit.
For humans, Mars is the ONLY plant possible to visit.
Red Dragon needs to take a Optimus Bot to the moon first, have it perform tasks and get itself to moon orbit station.
A good role for a unmanned "Red Dragon" mission would be to dropping off multiple rovers to check out landing spots for suitability and navigation beacons for accurate landing for the much larger star ship.
A bit of calculating before speaking could be helpful!
The 'dragon' is well-suited to get people to ISS or another station orbiting the Earth. Perhaps it may also be used for moon landing with some extra equipment. But for sure it cannot get out of the gravitational field of Mars. For that, you need a rocket a bit smaller than those on Earth.
And Dragon is much too small to spend a year within.
That we could use gravitational assist as a breaking, if it is well to reduce your velocity while they orbit. A series of elliptical orbits that have a very new approach, and each time reduces your velocity a little more.
skipped over starship test flight never reached separation, it did lose control but separation was never a hope..needed to be possible to complete mission, land pacific ocean. i believe damos/phobus (sp's)offers best mars landings mars moons
Dear Elon Musk, why not send Falcon Heavy and Red Dragon to Mars? Especially with Donald Trump as the first passenger. đ
I guess you have to make videos about something, but Dragon would need to take off again. Not enough thrust, fuel, or life support to get it done. This is why he is building Starship.
Eh? I think Elon is on the right track. The fueling problem can be solved with disposable fuel tanks each with a Raptor 3 or 4 engine cluster thats designed to be easily removed and repurposed for Mars transportation.
Starship needs to be racked to boosters, not stacked on top of them. different systems for escaping Earth's gravity well, from Lunar or Mars gravity well.
To reduce velocity and land at Mars, take a racked fuel & thrust system with you getting there to land with, and save the fuel in Starship 2.0 tanks to leave with.
We need bigger ships, bigger cargos out of gravity wells. and having universality on rack and engine attachment will allow the flexibility required. in fact, I'd suggest Starship to be designed with six rack attachment locations, Where once in earh orbit it can dock with six systems. so that spares can be used to get to Mars, reduce velocity, and even land spare racks of fuel and oxydizer with attached engine clusters to use to lift nickle iron from metiorites into Mars orbit and send back to earth orbit, or to use to lift other finishied products from Mars colony into Mars orbit to build bigger outward bound ships.
I ainât no Space engineer (Electronic Engineer actually) but I had the SNCidea over a decade ago.
Would work for the moon as well.
And on top of that you could build IN EARTH ORBIT a new craft any time and send it to mate with or replace the existing craft. Use the Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy to get parts into Earth Orbit now and use Starship to do the same once it becomes operational,
Red Dragon's large-capacity fuel reserves allow it to descend safely to Mars.
However, the problem is that other components need to be transported to Mars in advance as a base and living foundation. So actually starship is still needed. The cost of relying on heavy-duty Falcons to transport "Mars base equipment" is too high, unless NASA pays for it.
It should be like this: (nasa is willing to use the heavy-duty Falcon to pay for the freight to send materials to Mars) or (nasaâs investment interest is centered on the moon, and the moon is used as an intermediate station for Mars, and the current main interest is not in Mars)
Elon musk only if you don't hurry someone else is going to get there first..pull a Jimmy neutron and get er done
Starship will be the mothership and Red Dragon used for orbital space station
The red dragon can work. Iâll explain. The red dragon would have to be in the starship. The star ship can simply orbit mars. Whatever they need on mars, it can be deployed from the orbit starship and descend. Same thing with the moon. I donât think they should try to land that huge starship, I would recommend use it as a bridge or gate way where smaller ships can access and deploy from. For now. Humans can land on mars in the red dragon and take off back into orbit and dock on the starship. For starship to land on mars, they would have to already build the infrastructure for it, plus, allot of fuel to cut down that speed.
We're going to Mars in Elon's lifetime.
Months and months cooped up in the Dragon capsule? Uhhh no. As wonderful as Dragon is, that's just too small for a long trip to Mars.
Technically, yes this would work. But this doesnât account for the psychological and physical health of the crew. Cramped quarters for 7 months would be a disaster. The Starship will have much larger spaces, with private places to sleep, an exercise level, etc. Mental survival and minimizing atrophy of the body is paramount.
So glad to have your expert analysis to set Elon and his engineering team straight [SARC].
Starship fail to separate was major cause of 1st flight failure. Now the switch to hot fire separation which MUSK also claims will give a 10% boost in thrust and load capacity.
My question, if this is so, why not modify a Falcon 9 to do this and use it as both a test bed for proof of concept and if it works actually increase the capacity of the Falcon 9.??
Excellent stuff bro
They probably could launch cargo to Mars with the Falcon Heavy, just not humans, and the boosters will be expendables. Probably, that's what's gonna happen if NASA wants to send more probes/pre-supplies to Mars while Starship is still not ready.
how many months in a bathroom sized habitat just to get there and no more space when you land? BFR was a better idea
It's to bad they don't adopt fighter jet refueling I don't know if this would work but maybe they could adopt that type of system.
Is this video ancient? There is no Dragon for propulsive landing any more. Dragon development took a different path when NASA rejected propulsive landing.
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I loved this episode and completely concur with your conclusions. Having said that you did make one factual error. The initial launch of the full Starship stack did not fail because of the inability of the Starship to separate from the booster. Elon personally addressed that in his post flight Twitter session. Starship did not even attempt to separate! Therefore the flight did not fail because of that. The vehicle needed a minimum altitude and velocity to enable separation, neither of which were met. Starship did not fail to separate. Separation was never even commanded – because the vehicle was too low in altitude and not going fast enough. That – according to Elon Musk himself.