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Original Fran 8K story: https://youtu.be/GAhLe4f_Fd4
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Welcome to another ABANDONED Camera video! In this episode we take a look back at a camera we have already covered in the Fran 8K, but this one is a bit different. MONTHS after we made the first video, cinemartin was able to take down our video for a short time before we got it reinstated on YouTube.
Follow this story and dive more in-depth on the Fran 8K with @philipbloom interview with us!
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0:00 The Fran 8K: A Bizarre Camera
0:47 Cinemartin reached out to us for an interview…
1:15 COPYRIGHT CLAIM
1:48 Philip Bloom on hearing about the Fran 8K for the first time
2:42 Philip Bloom received the Fran 8K in a cardboard box
4:02 Bloom on reviewing the camera and the intro video
5:17 The test footage and the color
5:36 Was it a scam?
6:42 SENSITIVE to Criticism
7:44 Cinemartin tags and accuses a customer of fraud on Facebook
8:14 Cinemartin attempts to remove our video and force us to do an interview
8:35 Our back-and-forth interaction with Cinemartin
9:45 The Copyright strike and video takedown
10:47 Our counter notification
11:24 The “evidence”
11:57 Didn’t Cinemartin go bankrupt? We can’t find them
12:44 Weird practices continue
13:01 Video RESTORED!
13:11 Our Message to Cinemartin
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*SPECIAL NOTE* This video deals a lot on "fair use" which is only a legal defense and not an actual law. Please consult with your lawyer before proceeding in situations like these and do not take our success in this matter as a sign it will work for you as well.
This is awesome.
IT'S BACCCCCCCKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!
SUCK IT RED
SUCK IT ARRI
SUCK IT SONY
You should put all links in the description box. I watch YouTube on Safari on my iPhone just to save space.
WOW!
Now I understand why this two video got recommended so much 😀
Drama in a Camera and Lenses channel! What a time to be Alive!
He didn’t write that song. That’s was Steve Vai’s for the the love of God! That’s copyright in itself
Fuck yeah for that last speech. Right on.
"No men, you must delete the video." geez wouldnt wanna get on this guys bad side lol
My personal history with Alejandro is only slightly less painful than yours or Bloom’s. I dealt with him first as a potential reseller and then at a competing company. Eventually he asked me for a job. I won’t get into personal details but I will say that the level of respect I feel in general to him matches my opinion of his embarrassingly bad videos, failed hack job product design and his outright contempt towards his own customer base.
Does anyone remember the Craft Camera? I don't think they ever released a single model before abandoning it.
I love how we can turn these forgotten cameras into engaging stories!!
7:52 Beware of fran or you might end up paying for your own "shioipings" if it doesn't work. Jeez they can't even spell right, how can they design a camera? 😀
I feel a little sorry for this guy, although he clearly has been in many ways his own worst enemy and if people lost deposits then in that respect, he is bang out of order. But he did deliver a 'camera' to Bloom, perhaps foolishly when it wasn't anywhere near ready. And it wasn't exactly 'vapourware' like Red's 28k sensor. Having lived and worked in Spain for many years and although I have a genuine fondness for the people, this kind of approach is sometimes common there, which at times made business difficult. In the formative years of digital cinema cameras, it's not necessarily hard to take an industrial sensor, a common OS and fabricate an enclosure to produce a camera. But the requirements of proper electronic development, usually FPGA based at this level are by no means easy and it takes years in the hands of both users and engineers to get it right. I think his dream was there but his interaction with his target market was a huge failing, if not a strangely eccentric one, and ultimately he just didn't have any seeming kind of capital behind him either.
Very happy to see this outcome after months of drama over one silly video. Alejandro really needs to understand what the Streisand effect is lol.
Sounds familiar!!!. There are individuals with certain mental health conditions or under medication (with all due respect), who will put their own money on their ideas and products. You can easily see missing details on the websites or documentation (usually created by them) or just entirely failing to deliver quality results; it gets clearer when you notice how meticulous they are around the opinions, reviews, criticism, rejection, and failures in communication. It can sound weird or funny, but it could be difficult and sad to watch. Not everything is a scam, mental health issues are real.
You got yourself a sub, good work!
That guitar is actually Steve Vai. The song is "For The Love Of God"
5:28 The music is actually 'Steve Vai – For the Love of God', from the album 'Passion and Warfare'.
Reviews are the truth about a product.
Is it possible for a single proprietor business to design, develop, and build a high-tech digital video camera without licensing software and hardware of more established companies?
Fascinating video. Unfortunate that you had to go through all that. I've gotten a copyright strike warning before and it's very scary (we all know what that means for monetization on your channel). One question: in that counter notification stage, if he wanted to challenge you further he have to bring a lawsuit for copyright infringement, correct? YouTube won't mediate.
what an idiot you cant claim copyright on something you cant prove you own… let alone dont even own. sounds like fishing for $$$ to pay back the bankruptcy.
(fair warning YT in their glorious intellect call this comment disrespectful… there a lot worse words I could have used describing Martin's actions)
It was packed with cotton?!
I would have love to see you go to a local judge to get the troll to fight you. Compensation? The camera.
If that guy behind the Fran 8K is also claiming to be the guitarist, then he's probably also breaching Steve Vai's copyright, because that song is "For the Love of God". Look it up here on YouTube to see Steve playing it with an orchestra.
All the bad spelling in an official company response adds to how bad it looks for them
All companies with sales need to have extra product to sell if one of their units is faulty and need a budget to pay for shipping when THEIR products is faulty
Fair Use: You are a reporter, reporting history
I AM DYING LAUGHING. THE SAGA CONTINUES.
DUDE this story is so engaging haha what a strange company. I can not get over the idea that the marketing for this camera was NOT a joke. It doesn't make any sense to me to believe anybody could 'seriously' market a cinema camera in that way hahaha
If they want to make something that "does somthing new and sets itself apart" then they better be ready and hoping for all the scrutiny they rest of the existing industry players go through.
As it is, it seems this guy just wants to torch their idea off the face of the Earth.
All these studios and artois have no reason to pay any mind to a manufacturer who wants to put chians on them for even looking that way.
Alejandro Martin comes across as utterly naive and misguided rather than a downright sinister scammer. That said, naive and misguided people can very well be both annoying and dangerous as well – even more so than scammers, since they might not be 100% aware of what they are doing.
You guys are being too soft on him to be honest. Even the best ideas and intentions dosn't matter squad if the end result is 0 customer respect and support. Also no transparency is something only the biggest and well established manufacturers can allow them self. Perhaps if he had gone another road and made this an open source camera build or got a team of experienced developers in on it this could actually been a start on something awesome.
The fact that anyone could just flag a video for copyright violation without providing any proof of copyright ownership is a major flaw on YouTube's part.
can you find the FCC id number? that will tell you who and what company it is register under??? a quick look up and is also required to be on products posted by USA law.. if not have FCC id then my understanding is that by shipping it to USA and having it turned on and power-up is a violation of USA FCC law for interference
God damn, phillip bloom is a hateful sob. There's a reason nobody in tv wanted to work with him anymore.
How can a copy right exist on a product that does not exist? No company, no patent, no copy rights! If there is no patent their is no copy right. To break a rule there must be a rule to break!
abusing copyright law is a federal crime. call his bluff take him to court. if he tries to turn it into libel you can put a motion to charge him for abusing copyright law.
So the guy who was using a copywritten song ("For the Love of God" by Steve Vai) to promote his product tried to copywrite strike your video? What a dick!
What happens if a copyright holder abuses the system like this repeatedly. Are they just allowed to keep making claims, are are the eventually bared from making any claims? Does you tube make any effort to make sure the person filing the claim is, in fact, the copyright holder?
Gracias 😁
This is very much the Streisand effect in action. I am not part of the photography / videography community, but this particularly video was recommended to me. If Alejandro hadn't struck you for copyright, only the first video might have existed and I would have never known about it. As it is, it's a fascinating story, even for me as an outsider, and I'll be checking out your other videos. Great content!
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