Its funny how these shows are and tragic. Highlights stupidty and corruption. But also every higher up thinks their employees are House and will save a person regardless of everything
My answer to being suspended: "Great. I got copies of the medical report and he said it in front of three other witnesses who wrote the same thing. Bye."
1. I think the chief officer is wrong, and he's afraid that the city will sue them. BUT 2. In police training, if people refuse care and you have a reasonable suspicion that they need it urgently, they will do it no matter if you gave consent or not. Saving lives is more important.
I mean… I know this is a drama. But no one is going to be removed from care for not preforming medical care when told not to. Like if she had, she would be broken her do no harm decree, which would have had her removed. Shows got it all backwards.
An alert patient is allowed to refuse care as long as they’re not a juvenile, and then the provider is not liable, nor is the department liable for any injury or death that occurs after refusal of care However, if the provider believes that the patient is drunk, that means they are no longer alert patient and they no longer have the right to refuse care
The problem ultimately comes down to if you suspect someone of impairment AND you state they show all the signs of impairment they cannot refuse medical attention. You’re not in the right state of mind and are thinking clearly since your body is altered. She should’ve still taken his vitals and made him go to the hospital which here in NY you’re allowed to do.
You idiots dont know shit im a fire fighter and the second someone tells me they refuse treatment you have to listen to that person. So for this lady its an easy lawsuit she followed all the rules the second he refused treatment shes off the hook. I get its a show but ive watch this type of shit happen. She will win that lawsuit with easy on top of if i was here i would record everything you do just incase the retaliate agianst her she will have even more of a lawsuit
Classic Democrats, "my kid wouldn't ever do that…"
Yeah, sure and your Uncle is Jesus Christ…the irony is stuff like that does happen and is one of the reasons Emergency Services (LE, Fire & EMS) are going for bodycams & dashcams. Audio recording devices at minimum! Because of egotistical trash humans like that. Which in my, and many people whom I know, experience are almost EXCLUSIVELY Democrats.
Witness clearly there hearing him refuse medical care. Does matter of your family is the president of the United States. If they want to take me me off duty and the family want to takeegal action that means I can legally sue the ever loving flyingFUKvout of everyone involved
After my Grandpa died when my grandma was cleaning up after him she found a shoebox when she started to go through the shoebox she realized the man that she was married to for 40-plus years was not the man she thought he was that shoebox was filled with cp just because your family thinks you're a good person does not mean you're a good person
When you are intoxicated and suspected of having traumatic injuries, you cannot refuse care. You are not legally competent to make decisions for yourself, so we have to make them for you. He needed care. She refused to provide it. His positive test for alcohol and other substances only makes this case worse.
She should lose her job, her license, and go to prison for medical malpractice.
That whole side story came to a close and olivia got too petty over this death that her son was at fully for refusing care, and it blew back at her face
"i'm taking you off active duty because you just did your job" is basically what he said.
before anyone wants to argue with me on this. the patient verbally refused care so legally speaking there was nothing she could have done in that moment. medical care may only be carried out over the patient if they submit verbal or written consent. in any other situation, nothing can or may be done. the dude clearly said "no i do not consent to medical treatment" and so the fact he died his his responsibility and his alone.
therefore the lady getting taken off duty is, by all accounts, a whole bunch of nonsense. I know it's a TV series but this is flatout unrealistic.
Technically an EMT has the legal responsibility to intervene in life-threatening situations. It doesn't matter if you refuse treatment, the EMT is obligated to treat you anyway if they believe your life is in danger.
EMT’S and firefighters should wear body cams to avoid shit like this from happening. She wasn’t taken off of active duty because she did anything wrong. She was taken off of active duty because her boss didn’t want to piss off the victim’s influential mother.
THAT CHIEF IS AN IDIOT!!!!!! 🤬
She was just doing her job and following protocol!
He said "you're fired" despite the fact the patient refused care and also she was following protocol. Great Job Chief Simpson, hope you get fired.
What's with the music!??
I can scream this till my vocal cords break. SIGNED DOCUMENTS
Paramedics need body cams just like police for situations like this
He cannot take her off duty for doing what she’s supposed to do. She had witnesses. Councilwoman can go f herself. Sue if it becomes a problem.
Its funny how these shows are and tragic. Highlights stupidty and corruption. But also every higher up thinks their employees are House and will save a person regardless of everything
Imagine being punished by your boss for literally following the rules and regulations made by your boss…..
I’d be suing that department and the counsel women
This is why the FD and Medics should wear bodycam just for this reason
Hen's job is not the only thing at risk. The council woman even got Hen's adoptive daughter taken away
Abuse of power at it's finest
This is one of the reasons why literally everyone needs a bodycam 🤣
Guy literally refused care…I don’t care if it’s the presidents son…..this is a stupid plot especially since there were multiple witnesses
To treat would have been battery
They cops could arrest and forced to ED but medical personnel can do poo if you say no.
My answer to being suspended:
"Great. I got copies of the medical report and he said it in front of three other witnesses who wrote the same thing. Bye."
Then ill be taking you off active duty too.
1. I think the chief officer is wrong, and he's afraid that the city will sue them. BUT
2. In police training, if people refuse care and you have a reasonable suspicion that they need it urgently, they will do it no matter if you gave consent or not. Saving lives is more important.
That's Bullshit she was in the right
She’s black so she’s not trustworthy ❤
I mean… I know this is a drama. But no one is going to be removed from care for not preforming medical care when told not to. Like if she had, she would be broken her do no harm decree, which would have had her removed. Shows got it all backwards.
An alert patient is allowed to refuse care as long as they’re not a juvenile, and then the provider is not liable, nor is the department liable for any injury or death that occurs after refusal of care
However, if the provider believes that the patient is drunk, that means they are no longer alert patient and they no longer have the right to refuse care
The problem ultimately comes down to if you suspect someone of impairment AND you state they show all the signs of impairment they cannot refuse medical attention. You’re not in the right state of mind and are thinking clearly since your body is altered. She should’ve still taken his vitals and made him go to the hospital which here in NY you’re allowed to do.
What show is this?
You idiots dont know shit im a fire fighter and the second someone tells me they refuse treatment you have to listen to that person. So for this lady its an easy lawsuit she followed all the rules the second he refused treatment shes off the hook. I get its a show but ive watch this type of shit happen. She will win that lawsuit with easy on top of if i was here i would record everything you do just incase the retaliate agianst her she will have even more of a lawsuit
Classic Democrats, "my kid wouldn't ever do that…"
Yeah, sure and your Uncle is Jesus Christ…the irony is stuff like that does happen and is one of the reasons Emergency Services (LE, Fire & EMS) are going for bodycams & dashcams. Audio recording devices at minimum! Because of egotistical trash humans like that. Which in my, and many people whom I know, experience are almost EXCLUSIVELY Democrats.
God dammit everyone's going to have to wear body cams firefighters and EMTs as well😂 just so they can avoid stupid s*** like this
Ok boom everyone gets cameras
Witness clearly there hearing him refuse medical care. Does matter of your family is the president of the United States. If they want to take me me off duty and the family want to takeegal action that means I can legally sue the ever loving flyingFUKvout of everyone involved
Maybe wait for those tox results before you start making judgements.
After my Grandpa died when my grandma was cleaning up after him she found a shoebox when she started to go through the shoebox she realized the man that she was married to for 40-plus years was not the man she thought he was that shoebox was filled with cp just because your family thinks you're a good person does not mean you're a good person
I work in the ER. This entire scene is bullshit.
When you are intoxicated and suspected of having traumatic injuries, you cannot refuse care. You are not legally competent to make decisions for yourself, so we have to make them for you. He needed care. She refused to provide it. His positive test for alcohol and other substances only makes this case worse.
She should lose her job, her license, and go to prison for medical malpractice.
Don’t you need to sign a form stating you are refusing care?
Hate shows like these where they just throw any logical thinking out of the window for the sake of drama 💀
That whole side story came to a close and olivia got too petty over this death that her son was at fully for refusing care, and it blew back at her face
"i'm taking you off active duty because you just did your job" is basically what he said.
before anyone wants to argue with me on this.
the patient verbally refused care so legally speaking there was nothing she could have done in that moment. medical care may only be carried out over the patient if they submit verbal or written consent. in any other situation, nothing can or may be done.
the dude clearly said "no i do not consent to medical treatment" and so the fact he died his his responsibility and his alone.
therefore the lady getting taken off duty is, by all accounts, a whole bunch of nonsense.
I know it's a TV series but this is flatout unrealistic.
Technically an EMT has the legal responsibility to intervene in life-threatening situations. It doesn't matter if you refuse treatment, the EMT is obligated to treat you anyway if they believe your life is in danger.
EMT’S and firefighters should wear body cams to avoid shit like this from happening. She wasn’t taken off of active duty because she did anything wrong. She was taken off of active duty because her boss didn’t want to piss off the victim’s influential mother.
She doesn’t deserve this Crap.
always need a body cam for refusals
That's why you don't refuse medical care dude because that relieves them of any and all ability to take account