I wonder if any of the captured changelings were actually one of the hundred like Odo who were seeded across the galaxy and that were otherwise ignorant of their own origins.
There are 2 big story parts that bother me now. 1st: the changelings led by Odo, the majority, are all in gamma quadrant and they just LET the rogue ones spread chaos again and risk to provoke another war. Theyre just their responsibility!!! Cus when it comes to another war, they will be affected too. 2nd: the Picard here is just nit the same character we all know. This one is just bad. We see he acknowledges the pain and terror this Vadic has endured andHE JUST DECIDES to murder her!!! Thets not a typical JL. Wheres his compassion, his always do the right thing, try to negotiate. He always sought to avoid a conflict. Hes human, Federation and starfleet and he didnt even apologies for the horrors and dont tries to solve things with diplomacy and thats the part that saddens me and this part of him the writers got wrong. Cus there was a chance to redeem humans and changelings alike and he didnt even try…… That saddens me a lot. Dont forget that shes a slave to somebody too… Someone in the shadows and more dangerous.
This episode was a trippy snooze fest full of dark sets, flashbacks, cryptic dialogue and an overly dramatic soundtrack out of sync with what's going on. The story progressed in a ridiculous way, advanced by cartoon villians and childish aged morons inhabiting the bodies of characters we grew to love and respect in TNG.
I'll admit though that a few episodes in Season 3 have been interesting. Just a shame this episode had to happen.
They may be rewriting the Dominion war. O'Brien changeling gave it away that there were only 4 in the whole alpha quadrant (he said earth, but put the pieces together in a way he as telling the truth). Only 4 met ODO and only 4 were seen in DS9 (maybe 1 did 2 people, but only 3 died and none ever seen after that). The female was the ODO caretaker…the 4th. And for the Cardi that said he knew about more, do we really think Founder info was in a Database to be stolen? 4 Were more than enough. Only 2 were needed as long as none died. 1 to do all the weird short term stuff, and Martok.
I keep seeing the complaint of "The changelings dont look like they did" and of course a lot passed that off as just more updated CGI. But from this scene you can see that in fact, they changelings still look like golden goo, and it was the experiments thats changed them.
Its the little details, but also shows we should wait for the full story before critisising.
Since the Founders were so paranoid about being hunted down and killed historically did they just assume the missing POW changelings were dead during the dominion war? Also, is Vadic insane and just taking orders from her own severed hand like Batman's villain, the ventriloquist & scarface?
That tune is just the reverse of Frère Jacques that Picard sings to the children in "Disaster" ! Weaponizing something as vicious and cunning as the Founders? Section31 must have become totally stupid to do that. Sorry, can't believe Sloane was THAT much of an idiot.
For a long, long time I've been picky about my villains. With Star Trek it goes like this: Ricardo Montalban as Khan Noonian Singh, Alice Krige as the Borg Queen, and Christopher Plummer as General Chang. Thanks to Vadic I am now reevaluating that list. Amanda Plummer is a freaking genius!
Awful stuff was done to Vadic and other changelings; I'm glad they give the villains motivation for acting viciously. Section 31 does bad things. However, the changelings are brutal and genocidal. They wiped out whole species who wouldn't join them, they did their own horrible experiments on numerous races to create armies of genetically modified slaves with no free-will, they horribly made the Jem Hadar the equivalent of heroin addicts, and the reason the Cardassians turn from allies into enemies is because the changelings start to institute brutal genocide against them.
I can understand that a changeling copies the looks, but not how a changeling can copy the voice and speech patterns. I mean you need a lot of observation before you can mimic the speech and voice pattern.
Vadic states that she can "recruit others", does this mean…. that we aren't necessarily dealing with natural changelings from the Gamma Quadrant (we know of 10 as Prisoners of War from this video alone), however she also states that for "a shorter lifespan and some pain" that they can be evolved here. So does she use the transporters to alter DNA of her subjects to give them said abilities? Is this why Ro was scared of the transporters (and even Vadic was reluctant to use the transporters in this episode)?
Speaks volumes about the writers of nu trek where the founders and the borg are shown as oppressed victims and the federation are shown as the evil villains….
Can't say I agree that torturing the Changelings was the right thing to do. But, their sob-story only works if you don't understand what the changelings represented, what they subjugated their own followers to and what despicable crimes they did to millions upon millions of innocent people just because they were solids. I appreciate that this scene explains why Vadic is why she is and I respect that. But I find little sympathy for a genocidal species of aliens that committed atrocities over half the galaxy.
It’s hard to feel sympathy for her reasoning when you’ve seen DS9. All changelings were complicit in the Dominion’s genocidal conquest of other peoples, they decided in unison to rob non changelings of their freedom. They explained it as “Proactive self defense” by subjugating all free solids.
It makes me wonder if section 31 was in on the starfleet marshall law by Leyton. Assume the virus on the founders worked, starfleet would have a private assembly of changeling agents to sow chaos into other powers. No one would see it coming as the chagelings would have died out.
As crazy as it sounds Vadic and the others may been intended as the next stage of starfleet's schemes had they succeeded in the coup.
There's Kurtzman Trek again… Technology didn't cure society's problems and humanity didn't evolve. The future is bleak, Starfleet are worse than the SS, and all the interior lights were stolen by the Ferengi.
I can't get over how new trek keeps screwing things up. This is a great performance from this actress… and just as awful direction. This is not how a changing speaks or acts.
Idk why, but the idea of such powerful beings like the Changelings being trapped in simple containers like jars is terrifying to me. Imagine being a Changeling just left in a mason jar on a shelf and that's literally your prison.
This might be what her superior meant by " You and your kind" , he might be specifically talking about the modified changlings.
I wonder if any of the captured changelings were actually one of the hundred like Odo who were seeded across the galaxy and that were otherwise ignorant of their own origins.
Section 31 is a NAZI organization
There are 2 big story parts that bother me now. 1st: the changelings led by Odo, the majority, are all in gamma quadrant and they just LET the rogue ones spread chaos again and risk to provoke another war. Theyre just their responsibility!!! Cus when it comes to another war, they will be affected too. 2nd: the Picard here is just nit the same character we all know. This one is just bad. We see he acknowledges the pain and terror this Vadic has endured andHE JUST DECIDES to murder her!!! Thets not a typical JL. Wheres his compassion, his always do the right thing, try to negotiate. He always sought to avoid a conflict. Hes human, Federation and starfleet and he didnt even apologies for the horrors and dont tries to solve things with diplomacy and thats the part that saddens me and this part of him the writers got wrong. Cus there was a chance to redeem humans and changelings alike and he didnt even try…… That saddens me a lot. Dont forget that shes a slave to somebody too… Someone in the shadows and more dangerous.
I found this backstory tiresome and predictable.
This is exactly how Sector 31 created the virus that ended the war. This is not far off of the reality of how wars are won.
We need DS9 people to show up other than Worl'v…
Why does the state of the art Daystrom lab look like it's 20th century with hypodermic needles, gurneys on wheels, bunsen burners, etc?
This episode was a trippy snooze fest full of dark sets, flashbacks, cryptic dialogue and an overly dramatic soundtrack out of sync with what's going on. The story progressed in a ridiculous way, advanced by cartoon villians and childish aged morons inhabiting the bodies of characters we grew to love and respect in TNG.
I'll admit though that a few episodes in Season 3 have been interesting. Just a shame this episode had to happen.
They may be rewriting the Dominion war. O'Brien changeling gave it away that there were only 4 in the whole alpha quadrant (he said earth, but put the pieces together in a way he as telling the truth). Only 4 met ODO and only 4 were seen in DS9 (maybe 1 did 2 people, but only 3 died and none ever seen after that). The female was the ODO caretaker…the 4th. And for the Cardi that said he knew about more, do we really think Founder info was in a Database to be stolen? 4 Were more than enough. Only 2 were needed as long as none died. 1 to do all the weird short term stuff, and Martok.
Was Vadic tortured by the Homebase theme tune? https://youtu.be/nZ688r8SoXI
I keep seeing the complaint of "The changelings dont look like they did" and of course a lot passed that off as just more updated CGI. But from this scene you can see that in fact, they changelings still look like golden goo, and it was the experiments thats changed them.
Its the little details, but also shows we should wait for the full story before critisising.
Since the Founders were so paranoid about being hunted down and killed historically did they just assume the missing POW changelings were dead during the dominion war? Also, is Vadic insane and just taking orders from her own severed hand like Batman's villain, the ventriloquist & scarface?
What the fuck happened to Star Trek.
That tune is just the reverse of Frère Jacques that Picard sings to the children in "Disaster" !
Weaponizing something as vicious and cunning as the Founders? Section31 must have become totally stupid to do that. Sorry, can't believe Sloane was THAT much of an idiot.
For a long, long time I've been picky about my villains. With Star Trek it goes like this: Ricardo Montalban as Khan Noonian Singh, Alice Krige as the Borg Queen, and Christopher Plummer as General Chang. Thanks to Vadic I am now reevaluating that list. Amanda Plummer is a freaking genius!
Awful stuff was done to Vadic and other changelings; I'm glad they give the villains motivation for acting viciously. Section 31 does bad things. However, the changelings are brutal and genocidal. They wiped out whole species who wouldn't join them, they did their own horrible experiments on numerous races to create armies of genetically modified slaves with no free-will, they horribly made the Jem Hadar the equivalent of heroin addicts, and the reason the Cardassians turn from allies into enemies is because the changelings start to institute brutal genocide against them.
Brilliantly filmed
I can understand that a changeling copies the looks, but not how a changeling can copy the voice and speech patterns.
I mean you need a lot of observation before you can mimic the speech and voice pattern.
Theory from this segment;
Vadic states that she can "recruit others", does this mean…. that we aren't necessarily dealing with natural changelings from the Gamma Quadrant (we know of 10 as Prisoners of War from this video alone), however she also states that for "a shorter lifespan and some pain" that they can be evolved here. So does she use the transporters to alter DNA of her subjects to give them said abilities? Is this why Ro was scared of the transporters (and even Vadic was reluctant to use the transporters in this episode)?
At least got me thinking.
Sure, because the Dominion was sooo ethical in its conquests and the war against the Federation…
Speaks volumes about the writers of nu trek where the founders and the borg are shown as oppressed victims and the federation are shown as the evil villains….
Can't say I agree that torturing the Changelings was the right thing to do. But, their sob-story only works if you don't understand what the changelings represented, what they subjugated their own followers to and what despicable crimes they did to millions upon millions of innocent people just because they were solids.
I appreciate that this scene explains why Vadic is why she is and I respect that. But I find little sympathy for a genocidal species of aliens that committed atrocities over half the galaxy.
It’s hard to feel sympathy for her reasoning when you’ve seen DS9. All changelings were complicit in the Dominion’s genocidal conquest of other peoples, they decided in unison to rob non changelings of their freedom. They explained it as “Proactive self defense” by subjugating all free solids.
Starfleet is Picard's family. Vadic will take Picard's family, as compensation for Starfleet taking her away from hers.
But WHY Picard? If she wanted revenge, she should've gone after Dominion War wannabe prophet and savior, Benjamin Sisko.
It makes me wonder if section 31 was in on the starfleet marshall law by Leyton. Assume the virus on the founders worked, starfleet would have a private assembly of changeling agents to sow chaos into other powers. No one would see it coming as the chagelings would have died out.
As crazy as it sounds Vadic and the others may been intended as the next stage of starfleet's schemes had they succeeded in the coup.
There's Kurtzman Trek again… Technology didn't cure society's problems and humanity didn't evolve. The future is bleak, Starfleet are worse than the SS, and all the interior lights were stolen by the Ferengi.
Seasons 1 and 2 were rough but Season 3 is definitely the type of Picard I was hoping for. Vadic is probably one of my favorite antagonists so far.
I can't get over how new trek keeps screwing things up. This is a great performance from this actress… and just as awful direction. This is not how a changing speaks or acts.
I don’t understand when Vadic said one of there own had to steal the cure.
Mistreating prisoners is most uncool, I'll give her that.
On the other hand, what sick experiments would they have performed on humans had they won?
We would still need to know how Picard is responsible for the medical experiments done on the Changelings.
Concrete floors on a space station?
Idk why, but the idea of such powerful beings like the Changelings being trapped in simple containers like jars is terrifying to me. Imagine being a Changeling just left in a mason jar on a shelf and that's literally your prison.
she and all her morphs are controlled by section 13
The Federation should have allowed the virus to eradicate their species.
Ironic because Picard had nothing to do with the Dominion War on DS9.
Can we talk about Amanda Plummer’s acting so far?! Wow…
Feeling bad for a dominion changeling is like feeling bad for the SS officer tortured in a Russian gulag. Not tortured enough id say