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Eddie Trunk dunked on Ronnie Radke for canceling a show because the laptops they use were missing. I explain why Eddie is an idiot. Sebastian Bach is also just an asshole.
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Its NOT okay to use backing tracks and call it live. Im so disappointed that you make excuses for these cheaters.
You really don't need a laptop to play in a band….. Was in a band back in the late 90s, and ya, no one had a laptop! All that shit was done by, people!
Black Sabbath would walk on stage plug in and play.. These new bands are trash…
Very well said
Mike, does Aerosmith have another keyboard player? Might explain why the piano was still playing when Tyler was standing on it….🤷
Eddie Trunk is dense.
Bands for years used backing tracks and lip sync their studio vocals. Large venues, in fact, very often won't agree to pay you if you don't have backing tracks including lip syncing. Sure they still have a hot mic, but you better believe a big stadium wants those backing tracks going so it sounds like the album mixed with their live performances. That's the trick. They are still playing live, but it is mixed with those tracks.
There is a reason Vince Neil sounded mysteriously "decent" on the recent stadium tour.
1.30. Cut the fluff.
You can use your voice and call it a live show?! Thats Just a crutch for bad singers. Real artists can do without singing a word
The elitist metal/core fans hate Ronnie based off of almost 12 years ago smh. Dude is one of the most talented musicians out right now for the scene. Writes better songs by himself than bands with a paid producer. Most fans don't know that either. Who really writes a lot of the hits for "rock/metal/punk"
Trunk(name dropper, boomer gatekeeper, rock legend only in his own mind) is coming from the MIlli Vanilli era. He needs to be educated on the modern tech, but even if he was, he would still continually generate and perpetuate new dramas.
If you can't play your set on acoustic instruments, then you don't have songs. You have sound effects.
Mind you, I'm a boomer. We played without laptops back in the day.
If you rely on using backing tracks live to compensate for crap you did in studio that you "can't" do live, then the record you made is simply a lie. Literally ALL that matters is that you can perform live what you do in studio with actual people actually performing each and every part. If you can't, you're a liar. Full stop.
Also, not for nothing, but Eddie Ban Halen died in the height of the pandemic. Is it really hard to figure out why there weren’t huge concerts at that time? Maybe there could’ve been one later, but by the time it was safe to go back to concerts, the moment had passed. So, we all just mourned quietly in our homes.
For me it is definitely not a problem for a band to use backing tracks. The problem I think some people have with this situation is that the band couldn't play anyway minus the synchronized lights, intros, backing tracks etc. As a band you should still be able to perform the songs. They might not sound or look as cool as intended but you should still at least be able to put on a stripped down show. Then you are prepared for these worse case scenarios like your laptop crashing mid show or being sent to the wrong venue. As for the band in question, as long as they made up the show I don't think they did anything wrong. At least they were honest about what was going on.
Eddie Trunk should have known who Falling In Reverse are for basically working in the industry for such a long time. The fact he never heard of them makes no sense. Even if they have elements in their music that he doesnt listen to its still the hard rock stuff hes been covering for decades. Im not giving him a pass for being a boomer because theres bands who have been around for far less time than Falling in Reverse that he knows and has heard of.
I understand technology advancing, and bands using it, but if you can’t play without it there’s a problem. Explain to the audience that the laptop went missing and things are gonna be stripped down. Some of the best versions of songs were “Unplugged” (Nirvana, Alice In Chains, etc..)
Also, if a Country band can’t play without a laptop, that’s fucking sad! This also goes for a rock guitarist who can’t use peddles. A laptop as a tool is fine, but it wasn’t meant to be a crutch. BTW Gen X, not Boomer.
When Pantera was still a touring band, Dime would have his tech hit the Whammy Pedal squeals and such, so he didn't have to be across stage at a certain time to hit a pedal, articles in magazines have him saying pretty much this. KH from Metallica has a similar, although more sophisticated setup for his wah pedals, you can watch a rig rundown that shows just how it all goes together. Having a PC control the lighting, effects changes, even some time keeping, has been around for a long time, anyone heard of Nine Inch Nails? Their concert interrupted by a Windows BSOD is a meme before memes existed.
What’s the definition of a backing track? When I think of it, I think of the band playing along with a recording of their songs, allowing for mistakes to me less noticeable, or not noticeable at all. If the vast majority of bands are doing this, I didn’t know about it. I also don’t think backing tracks are remotely comparable to using a laptop for guitar effects or stage lighting. Those should not be lumped in with backing tracks.
I know a lot of artists do a lot of things in their music which would be difficult to do live without the expense of hiring additional personnel to go on tour. Quite honestly, I can't blame any touring act for using tracks, coding and syncing with lights, automated staging, video and Pyro. It's hard enough to make money in the music industry without minimizing overhead costs. My problem is not with that. It's the fact that Falling In Reverse failed to have contingencies in place for if the laptops were stolen or failed.
Eddie might need to chill on this a bit sure, but he is a hard rock / heavy metal ambassador who has a strong opinion on this, and for good reason. No need for all the name calling, but maybe that is your thing.
Jackyl was able to do the show for them , lights and all, didn't needs laptops, cheap cop out! Eddie is right.
If you have to use a laptop to play live, you're not really playing live then are you? Laptops aren't the new amps, they're a crutch for bad musicians to play rockstar
I'm sorry that's the lamest excuse to cancel a show! Geez I wonder how bands performed for the past 60 years without them 🤔🙄👎
No, you fucking idiot. It's that you cancel a whole show over not being able to use your laptop shit. You should be able to play with basic equipment. Yo-yo Ma's cello gets crushed to a million pieces in transit–he gets a last minute cello and still rocks the house.
Do prog bands, or jam bands use backing tracks?
Of course Eddie Trunk would think it was all about him.
I’m in my 50’s and we’ll Eddie Trunk is an idiot. Anyone knows technology has advanced since the 80’s. If you don’t work with it than you’re gonna have a hard time because what people used to use years ago become extinct. I still like classic bands (except Kiss). I can’t live in the past it’s depressing, need to be more open to newer bands and the technology otherwise you become a dinosaur.
Basically I agree with Mike
When I see all this vitriol I find myself wondering “how did live music – the lights, the sounds, the pyros and all that comes with it – manage to be a thing in the 70s?”
That’s the point isn’t it? It’s not that someone criticises the USE of laptops/backings etc. – it’s the fact that artists can’t manage to put on a decent live show WITHOUT them.
The criticism is the RELIANCE on something that isn’t – or at least wasn’t – necessary. I think that is a fair criticism to make.
Oh more drama? Later.
I think you're missing the more significant side of this controversy. Backing tracks and click tracks lock you into a certain tempo. That opens up a lot of cool things you can add to your live show, but you are losing something very important, the tempo flexibility.
My only issue is that's bad IT planning for a large tour. Those laptops should be mirrored onto a second laptop onsite and daily backups to a remote server.
We have backup amps for touring, right?
I played professionally in an original rock band for close to two decades. When we first started we had the attitude of we would never use backing tracks. That’s a Britney Spears or a pop music crutch. Then as you start getting better tours with bigger bands you quickly learn holy Shit every single band out here is using tracks. So we relented and tried our hand at using backing vocals. In a band that had 3 part harmonies and tons of chant vocals. It just tightens everything up. Unfortunately throats are not like guitars and drums, vocal cords get hoarse and strained. We never had instrument tracks we played everything live. We just strengthened our vocal performances that were still being performed live. It’s not a big deal it really isnt. If you want to sound like a local cover bar band then don’t use tracks and be authentic. 🙄
Kane Brown is a country artist? Could've sworn he was just another garbage popstar
sounds like Eddie Trunk is trying to stay relevant