Asmongold watches “Lost Ark – Is It Pay 2 Win?” by Legacy Gaming, and discusses pay-to-win and pay-for-convenience aspects of Lost Ark, and whether or not we should care about microtransactions of Lost Ark.
0:00 Is Lost Ark Pay-to-Win?
7:36 Does It Impact Gameplay?
13:11 Should we care?
16:39 Asmongold Discusses P2W
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Dev forces you to pay for shit a real gamer doesnt want to pay for
talk about dumb monetisation
The issue is the absolute term 'Win' being misused. The term Pay-2-Win is catchy but more nuanced if you don't want to stick with the empirical boolean settlement. Different, clearer terms should be adopted, like 'Predatory monetization' or 'Real Wealth Advatages'
anything p2w, anything in a game that you can buy with real money… empower class differences
Video was a bit sketch. Clearly P2W and the game forces you to pay by making certain gameplay elements unbearable.
The fact that you can pay to upgrade gear, and pay to upgrade the amulets and all that stuff, anad pay for the upgrade materials
says enough
enough is enough
A lot of people don't like seeing others buying advantage over them in games. A lot more don't even care. Game developers don't have to solely cater to people desperate for egalitarian escapism. Whether the game is annoying to play is more important to me. Even if a game is completely egalitarian but so annoying (e.g. grind for 10 hrs to get 1 more inventory slot), then I don't like it.
The problem with KR mmos is the amount of grinding needed to keep up with the endgame. Are they p2w? Well, define "win", but when it devolves into either "pay and grind for 100 hours or not pay and grind for 1,000 hours instead", then the game is pay-to-actually-enjoy-the-game.
The vast majority of players are casuals who will quit once they realize how long it takes to reach and how much effort it takes to keep up (if even possible) with the best gear possible.
Hard pass on that game, is P2W on steroids.
when the guy said "pay for convenience" the whole argument he made was lost….
Lost Ark is pay to win. Anyone saying otherwise is on copium.
Hotel in 15 seconds and you got a simple ramp.
Lolololololololol hahahahahaha
Funny AF.
Life is pay to win, get a job.
The word "convenience" is doing some fucking work in this video.
"what is winning?" Good question.
Winning is defined as "gaining, resulting in, or relating to victory in a contest or competition".
So, to determine if something is pay to win or just pay to get ahead you first have to figure out what the competition or contest is. In some cases a game might just have one, but many games now have multiple competitions or contests that can be undertaken. Since there's usually options, the developers have the option of making none, some, or all of them accomplishable as a direct result of paying money, making those contests and competitions winnable through payment, or pay to win as people say. Very few games are entirely pay to win, but many of them have some content that is pay to win.
As a result of this, depending on what contest or competition is the main focus or appeal to a specific player, games that have some pay to win contests or competitions and some that can't they can be considered pay to win by one player and not pay to win by another if they are focusing on different contests and competitions.
Once you know what the contest or competition is that you want to accomplish, just ask if it can be done by paying money. If the answer is yes, then that aspect in that moment is pay to win. If the answer is no, then it's not. Some things will be debatable, but that's just how it is.
So to me the p2w discussion is really subjective and based on the player's version of winning. If your version of fun is to do things like max your character out fully first, do world first raids etc then yes the game is fully pay to win 100%, and I understand how that would be frustrating. For me personally, I've never been someone who rushes through the game trying to be world's first anything, so to me the game isn't pay to win. That's just not my version of fun in the game. The people that enjoy maxing and world's first content, which is a completely valid way to have fun, definitely have a reason to say the game is pay to win. No matter how hard or fast they grind, someone can swipe their credit card and out do them. Personally, it doesn't affect me so I have no problem with the game. Maybe later on I could have issues getting into raid groups cause my character isn't perfectly optimized, but I have multiple friends playing the game ATM so we'll cross that bridge when we get there I guess.
Not for pay to win at all how ever saying that the guy putting in your sewer pipe down the street is deminishing someone's hard work of playing the game 18 hours a day is cringe af haha
you cn inhance your reaction timing tho…
So I can pay to hone my gear only limited by my bank account. Pretty sure that pay to win. Especially in Guild V Guild and island PVP since they are not equalized like arena.
Is the objective of the gameplay to progress gear and develop your character? Then doing that is what is considered winning by design. Do "pay for convenience" items positively impact this progression in any way that cannot be achieved by a purely free to player on their own, freely, without an exchange of cash anywhere? If the answer is yes, then its pay to win by game design. However, unlike pure pay to skip pay to win like buying gear from a cash shop, pay for convenience pay to win can vary from a series of general creature comforts that make the game more enjoyable and are more of a way to secure a reliable cash flow for server costs by rewarding paying customers, to full on convoluted mess of currency juggling to accelerate gear progression to ludicrously fast levels in a way that lets whales save face about the fact that they're buying a currency to buy a currency to buy an item to convert into a pile of consumable items that they feed into their gear. Personally I think in pve games, it's not necessarily a bad thing to have pay to win as long as the only losers are the npc's, and the whales are not creating a toxic elitist atmosphere that shuts out the majority of the community from the endgame content. P2W in PVE games CAN be a victimless crime, depending on how predatory they get about it.
id rather a game be free to play and have p2w elements then a game that is pay to play and also has p2w elements whilst having to buy a 80$ xpac every couple of years
If your 'win' is becoming top ranker in this game as soon as possible, it is definitely absolute "pay to win" . you may spend more than 1억. But, your definition of 'win' is step by step growing your character, enjoy combat against boss, enjoy contents and story, THIS IS FUCKING FREE to play GAME. I usually spend about 20 dollars to buy some skins, IT MAKES ME HAPPY !!!! For me, 'Win' means becoming HAPPY. oh, in this case, this is PAY to WIN(BE HAPPY). There's no NO NO PAIN of not paying real money, unless you wanna become RANK 1~100~or something in THIS ARKESIA. (From Korea, Korean user, I know Payment system is whole different in every country, BUT . BUT. Actually, We even think that "why smilegate give more to other country's people ?" But we have trust on this game and the director, so we are like "nevermind." )
Back to the FFXIV hidey hole kek
It's a Korean game, ofc it's pay to win, the real non pepega question is "How much Pay to win is?". I think in Korea is rly bad similar to how in China they have WoW tokens for WoW Classic/tbc, but in the west it does not look as bad right now if not better than WoW retail.
It is a gambling game. This guy will say whatever Amazon tells him to say!
Gotta love how when Asmon says that "pay 4 convenience" makes the developers make it less convenient there always some fucking retard spamming "NOT TRUE AT ALL" in the chat, actual 0 IQ brainless zombies
for me this is a filler game to be enjoyed for a while until something better comes along.
How much Copium do you have to inhale to say lost ark is not pay2win?
For just one of the materials needed to max out gear needs 56000 to completely max it out. That’s only one out of the 4 needed. You can only grind 385 of these crystals a week IF RNG is on your side. The last 2 methods to get these crystals is 58 crystals at a 0.5% drop rate. That’s like 2 years of grinding of you want to max out a set of armor.
Unless you can only buy skins/cosmetics with real currency, i'm not playing that game.
the more money you spend the stronger you get… so fk this game
Does every YouTuber now have to point out that there are “nasty comments” under the videos?
I mean we are still on the internet …. When we people stop being so sensitive?
I am laughing people who only cry about p2w(and have only 10 hours in game) which is not it just pay to skip. If u care so much about having a +1 attack or just deal 100 more dmg than the second guy in a raid then u are pathetic. Yes it will affect the game if the dev will pay more attention to shop and put smth that greatly increases ur stat that the f2p cant get. Also if this game was p2w the game would have been dead by 3 years now in kr or ru. Well i love that these complains exist to. Many people will leave thus loss queue until they may fix the server and less bitchcrying in forums. If u want p2w play wow , gw2(where u need to pay for expansion) . Wonder what would your opinions be about lineage 2 in it's good days be it when was with sub or free. You would cry like a kid there .
Pay for convenience instead of pay to win, how convenient…
17:38 If there ever is an option to use real world currency to buy ingame power, time invested is pay-to-lose. Hours spent working will most definitely equal more power vs time spent grinding ingame. There are a few exceptions, but this generally is the rule.
Time invested is obviously not like pay to win… Putting in the work doesn't mean they should be gimped or some crazy thing for a level 1. they put in the work, that in no way counts as "basically pay to win". You work your way to the end game ? so… dunno. its a journey. A good PC doesnt count either.
Maybe Diablo Immortal will be a fun game, I'm waiting for it too… but you reallize that we, PC plaeyers will play it on Win11, via android app enabled mode right? 😛
these people pay for the game they play which is already easy… to be even easier.. for me it's crazy… how weak are these people who have to pay to play a game that is PVE… what It seems to me that all those people who were really bad at games when I was a kid… now pay pay to win… but to win what?
If you want to pay to win go ahead. Even the whales can't pay enough to complete the end game. You can easily get to end game and clear it without paying a penny. The only time it can somewhat matter is in GvG. I have supported this game through cosmetics, pinata gang, but I don't see any reason to pay to win in this game
Fanboys: It's just pay for convenience!
Smilegate RPG dominate mind skill has increased +1
That said, it's a great free game that is kinda pay to win. I'll enjoy it for free and no sweat off my back that some people might hit endcontent a month earlier than me….
If I cant get crystals in from game , then im quitting any shit MMO who does it.
I think if the game is free then you lose all rights to complain, you get it free. Play it or dont, its like a free all you can eat buffet and then someone walks in and pays for a steak which aint on the buffet , you are still getting fed for free just eat longer and harder while the guy who had steak is full and goes away.
Oh so pay for convienience is ok. lol hypocrites.
TO answer your question Asmon: You can buy all for Royal Crystals in the Shop…And much more. For instance insta finish yourm current stronghold research for 200 Blue Crystals. Basically pay to not play. Pay to win PvE.
For instance you can buy Tier3 mats with Real Money, which are rather hard to come by, in comparison to T1 and T2. This is not convenience anymore. IMO it's P2W, because in PvE winning is beating the game and having the best Gear. You can pay for this win.
There cant be a complete F2P game. like who is gonna make it without the money to make and maintain it? Jeff Bezos?
Lost ark is pay to win, no doubt.
Who cares about other players? It's mmo, it's supposed to be fun to play with others, raid with others etc, not a speedrun who can get the best gear the fastest. I don't understand, especially since the time spent in the game plays 100x bigger role than a guy buying himself crystals every day and playing for only 2-3h. I have had so much fun playing this game with my homies for the last week and only big difference is the Amazon Prime gift, that gets you to 500k silver instantly, which doesn't really matter that much too.
Think only p2w id care about is PvP stat advantages which doesn't seem to be the case so really don't see what the uproar is about