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“I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.”
“Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned”
Yes.
Original sin is a biblical doctrine…. Unless you don’t wanna be Biblical then sure dismiss it outright.
We came with evil nature. So our actions are evil. No one can destroy this Biblical doctrine. If any try to do it they work for their own belly.
Those who believe man is born evil have the Satan in their hearts.
30 minutes in this video and the multiple side bar – rabbit trails you fellas go down just simply lose me.
A person cannot be born morally evil. That is a philosophically nonsensical position.
Good stuff fellas. Eventually, I will jump back in.
The word “receive” in Romans 5:17 being an active participle is not inconsistent with reformed soteriology. I’m not sure why Nick thinks it is.
Sin is learned behavior but death is a wage of sin. Working sin reaps a payment of death. If you work righteousness you reap reward in heaven but we have all sinned and thus deserve death as a payment for our works of unrighteousness. This is why Jesus died for us because the only payment for sin is the to be propitiated is the spilling of blood or death. This is what the OT sacrifices were about. These were temporary placeholders pointing to the necessity of a blood payment for our sin. This is why Cain's sacrifice was not accepted and Able's was. Notice that Cain thought that working hard and giving of his labor somehow counted as payment for sin. He then sinned further because of his sacrifice being rejected by God and killed Abel in anger and jealousy. Sin is purpetual for all flesh and only that which is born of God is sinless and uncorruptible. So how does one enter heaven? They place their trust in Jesus alone for salvation and they count His death as payment for all of their sin for all time with their flesh having become dead with Christ on the cross and buries with Him before His resurrection as He said. Those who fail to trust in the Words of Jesus that will never pass away call Him a liar and fail to recognize that they are part of the group that Jesus spoke of in Matthew chapter 7 who eay to Him "Lord, Lord! Have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name cast out many devils and in thy name performed many wonderful works?," to which He will reply "Depart from Me, I never knew you you who practice lawlessness." These individuals believe that their good works somehow earn them salvation or pay for sin. This is not true and they failed to understand their position and the purpose for Jesus dying in the first place. There is a massive difference between soteriology and discipleship. Do not conflate these two things. Also recognize that once you have placed your trust in Jesus alone, the Holy Spirit instantly indwells you and ahall never leave you. Your flesh will war with your spirit born of God but you will never perish according to Jesus' own testimony. Do not make Him a liar by assuming otherwise.
I think the best thing to help those get out of the Augustine mindset of desire and guilt being passed on hereditary to show Eve's lust and sinfulness before she ever ate the fruit. The description of Eve as lusting after the fruit for wisdom and food is how we normally think of fallen man. Adam and Eve had a sinful flesh (sin nature) before they ever fell. God created mankind to be redeemed and become one with God.
All sinned because death spread to all. That is exactly what is said in Hebrews 2:14-15. I will always read Romans 5 in the light of Hebrews.
I think it is interesting because I think Rom 6:23 directly refers to the free gift of Rom 5:18. Because the Calvinist already decided what the text has to say before they read it, they conclude that if the text doesn't support their view, then it "obviously" has to mean "universalism." But they don't pay attention that Rom 6:23 says the fee gift of God is eternal life… and they read the rest of the verse as if the words "through Jesus Christ" are benign words of flattery to Jesus, as much of their sanctimonious blabbering is.
Maybe, just maybe if we remember some things that John wrote about Jesus, such as "Jn 1:4," or things Jesus said such as "Jn 3:16, 10:9, 11: 25" and many more things. Maybe if we would keep reading to Rom 8:9-11, better yet read past verse 24 in Romans 9, maybe we wouldn't have these issues.
Yes the Gift of God is eternal life… THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD. You have to go through Jesus, which is in service to everything Paul has been saying all throughout the book of Romans and makes the statement in Rom 10:4 FOR CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS TO EVERYONE ***THAT BELIEVETH***.
I have no clue, well I have 100% all the clues why I got duped into Calvinism, but I have no clue why/how anyone continues to be loyal to that man made system over scripture.
I still wonder if based on Romans 7 where Paul says he ‘died’ upon becoming accountable to the law if death in this passage can be understood as spiritual death (alienation from God), without necessitating inherited sin or guilt.
When King David says in sin my mother conceived me, I think it is inferring to the fact that when his mother slept with his father there was a deception going on because she deceived him.
Bravo!!! I appreciate what everyone shared. This was brilliant. I have been spurred on in my own study here of death and sin. Thank you all for sharing what God has richly shared with you.
This video was more confusing than clarifying.