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“Should ZOS nerf Heavy Attacks or Oakensoul? No. Should ZOS look for more ways to provide transitional bridges between different levels of gameplay? Absolutely.”
This. 100% this. Casual players are rushing to HA playstyle because it is an accessible bridge for them to enter into endgame content. This is what has always been lacking. If you are an experienced player who simply couldn’t interact with the LA playstyle, you had no options except to switch to support roles.
I think that the booming popularity of HA builds exposes a problem that has plagued this game for a long time.
I don’t normally comment on your videos @Nefas but this was a great commentary on the state of the game.
Ill admit i suck at light attack builds and could never breach over 80k dps, now i can and my trials experience has been way better.
If these HA builds get nerfed ill live, but id be very disappointed since they truly let people who cant perfect weave do content and i like that idea…And i honestly think, who cares if people rocking these builds hit so high? It makes more content accessible and is that really a bad thing? id rather have this HA influx over a dead fealing trial scene that gatekeeps so many able players
I for one believe Oakensoul is one of the best things to happen to ESO in a very long time. I have played off and on since launch and currently am around 2200 CP, and I have never attempted a vet trial for a few reasons. First I have tendonitis in my wrists which limits the amount of time I can play. The hours I work also limit my available play time. With the time I do have, I want to actually play the game, not spend hours dummy humping trying to perfect a light attack rotation so that a raid group will let me join. With a raid community that as I understand it is currently dying I would think raid leaders would be thrilled at the prospect of an easy to learn easy to acquire build that allows lower skilled players to do adequate damage to complete vet trials.
Oakensoul seems to be doing exactly what ZOS intended which is to bring up the floor without affecting the ceiling for the top players.
As a new player I love the oakensoul ring. Its boring to play but it allows me to learn game mechanics as I collect better gear and unlock the skill lines and equipment traits to craft the gear for more advanced builds. Not having to upgrade 1 piece of jewelry and a set of back up weapons was a massive help to me when I was super new and didn’t have the gold, mats or skill lines upgraded enough to make 12 pieces of yellow gear. Now that I am more comfortable with the game as a whole and have progressed a bit I am playing more content without needing to use oakensoul.
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I use Oakensoul, here in Australia it's super fun to play with lots of lag. Oakensoul allows us to preform well for a group with our handicap due to no servers this side of the pond.
I haven't seen this mentioned here yet… However, has anyone noticed how much smoother the game plays with all the 1-bar builds?
It decreased the CPU calculation and memory utilization on ZOS' servers a great deal.
I am PVE player and I don’t care how other PVE players play I am playing the way I want to play.
Idk, I think people that are butt hurt about this just like to bitch. I’m fine with it and I busted my ass to get good at dps. There’s still a gap. A heavy attack build will never do as a much as good 2 bar build. It’s an option that does make content more accessible for the average player. 🤷🏼♂️
Wow, people need to grow up. Yes, there should be extremely easy build options in this game like these heavy attack builds that make the game and end game content more accessible. Should they be AS GOOD as a high skill 2 bar build? No, the high skill ceiling stuff should out perform the low skill ceiling stuff (which they do) BUT the low skill ceiling stuff should still be PERFECTLY VIABLE AND USABLE to clear ALL content.
I've personally been taking shortcuts since before Oakensoul ring. Things like combining the Blooddrinker set with the Deadly set or Pillar of Nirn set for a super easy and forgiving two bar bleed DoT build that EASILY got me to 60k dps in actual content and got me my first 100k dps parse.
Oakensoul heavy attack sorc builds are fine. It provides accessibility. In my experience it peaks out at 100K DPS, though most will only be hitting around 85-90K DPS with average RNG and some imperfections in rotation. So if you're number pushing you'll eventually move on from this build. Also if you actually enjoy ESO combat most likely you'll get bored because it's a very mind numbing rotation so you'll move on there as well. Also who cares if someone is accessing late game in a lazy way? most of the rewards for late game content is not stuff someone who only heavy attacks can use. I.e. they'll have to learn weaving and more complex rotations to use a lot of the late game trial gear anyway (e.g. relequens or any set that uses a stack mechanic).
I’m a 3 month in player and seriously without mythical like pale order or oakensoul for me to keep up with the few people on Xbox who do trials or arenas I would have quit and went back to BDO. I’m running out of content to do myself when no one wants to do trials or group arenas or even get dungeon gear hunting. I cnat get any gear if no one wants to q up for any of the vet content, so I’m stuck with mother sorrow and stuff unless i wait and watch Netflix while waiting to q for vet dungeons or dlc dungeons. I still haven’t had one trial yet in 3 mnths asking everyone in chat and my 5 guilds!! So without mythical items , I wouldn’t be able to do solo trials or do any kind of cryodik pvp, , I can barely do battelegrouund and I have a lot of great gear. it’s a huge downhill battle. I’m now picky with what specific dungeon q’s that i am tryin to grind for gear. Cuz I only get a few and hour and vet dungeons are maybe a few every couple hours so I barely have any monster sets, so it evens out I get mythic while othee have monster sets right now lol. The only way I can manage not being able to do trials or vet dungeons or even arenas right now is by going on pc test server and testing out all the various gear builds so I can spend my time wisely. Grinding the few specific dungeons that get 4 peope on Xbox server. If I don’t do that I would wait an hour on random dungeons to finally get 4 people and it’s sewers or somthing. Ps oakensoul isnt even that great
**There are so many combos with perfected and monster sets that kick oakensouls butt and other mythics when it comes to dps and have try videos to prove it on pc test servers. So I think the peole who complain about others gear are bad sports, lazy or they don’t wanna grind gear in arenas or trials and they just want the best but won’t put the work in most important or they don’t understand math or mechanics of this game. They lose in pvp and go run on eso boards and complain to zos about all the unfair things that they think are making them lose when it’s really there lack of research and understanding in this game and it’s mechanics and stats. I’m only a 4 mnth player but I know mmos there all the same when you get down to mitt gritty and they all have great and volatile players who if asked they all know the answers and there opinion is be all end all lol. At end of day it’s only a game guys
2-5 hours of game time is soooo true… Maximum would 3-3.5 hours those people have a life
Happy to see buff rather nerf
I'm a casual player. Always hated this weaving mechanic as well as 2 bars, dropped the game many times cuz of that. Finally I can play and enjoy my playstyle without being a useless anchor in my group.
I don’t care what other people clear or don’t. What I do care about is how it’s dividing raid groups and guilds.
The HA builds are only optimal if the entire group uses them due to buff redundancies with oakensoul. This creates an inherent divide in the player base between HA oaken builds and LA weaving builds… The real issue is the interpersonal problems that stem from this divide and is primarily within raid groups in my experience to between random players or with other raiders.
To expand on this let’s go through some of the implications of using oakensoul in group content and some of its inherent weaknesses, beyond the limited skill flexibility, the biggest one is that they can’t run support sets. So say I’m forming a group within my guild that wants to prog all the HMs or get all the trifectas, how do I convince a couple members to spend 50x more time practicing LA weaving, keeping uptimes etc… so we can run the support sets we need, while the other dps just have to hold left click; Not only will both sub-groups within the team get the same achievement, but also the ones running the support sets will do less dps than their peers who are just holding left click… Who’s going to sign up to be the supports in this example?
The problem is not just between separate groups of people it’s the division it creates within a raid group in the “middle tier”. To expand the example then let’s say someone joins my guild and they hear about this raid team and they say that they want to learn how to play well enough to eventually join. What do I teach them…? To LA weave, engage actively in combat, run support sets or hold left click. I can’t tell them all these new players to go HA because then I won’t be able to to fill out the roster another raid team… But also what new player is realistically going to sign up to do way more work, with the end result being that they do less damage and get the same rewards as those who don’t have to do even a fraction of that. It’s an issue of uneven contribution towards a group achievement within the group itself.
Not to mention that a change to a single buff or mythic, which could happen at anytime could make them completely unable to hit the damage requirements for the content we’re running at anytime, so if that happens what do I do? Replace them since they have to relearn combat? Dissolve the raid group? Go on hiatus?
These logistical issues are resulting in many raid leads simply not allowing oakensoul builds into their raid groups, as it’s too much of a logistical nightmare; And to be honest I can’t blame them, the builds are fundamentally selfish dps builds rather than group oriented.
So back to that new player who wants to get better at dps, what do I tell them? They can use one build to boost their dps really fast, but HM/trifecta groups prob won’t let them join? So the other option is to spend a ton more time to probably do less damage in the unoptimized groups they’ll likely run with when they’re starting out? What I’m trying to illustrate is that there’s no path to “mastery” if the player becomes more invested in the game, they hit the hard cap, then have to decide if they want to relearn combat from scratch to move forward. Back to the group example let’s say they get everything up to Rockgrove or even DSR but then it isn’t enough to get through that. What do they do now?
This rabbit hole, is where the division is coming from… (also these aren’t hypotheticals, dealing with them l day after day within my guilds atm) imo it’s an easy fix, lower the percentage on empower slightly say to 60% instead of 80%, they’ll still be able to do the vast majority of content without issue; But they will no longer hit the minimum dps requirements for harder trial content, which is where the friction is coming from.
Personally, I feel like skinny cheeks video and suggestions were in the right overall direction for this issue
Note: I made an HA sorc to test the build as otherwise I couldn’t make an informed opinion. So when I say it’s easy and doesn’t require work, that is based on my experience playing it not just that it looks easy from the outside
So many other things that ruin the game that HA's don't even register to me.
The more you gate keep, the more restrictions you implement, the less ppl you'll have playing the game.
Then those groups will be whining womdering why they can't find new recruits for trials, dungs etc.
first of all i confess two things- that i use the oakensorc because i am lazy, and idgaf about vet trials or pvp (those two things bring out the worst in people).
i prefer to play heals. i am very comfortable in the role, so i can jump in and do the job 👍🏼
i just do not possess the required investments of time, effort, and dedication to “learn” how to properly dps because of commitments to lots of other games and a rapidly fading interest in ESO.
i do not play ESO as much as i used to, and oakensorc opened up a lot of doors for me. most importantly i HAVE FUN WITH IT !!!
no group i have been in has ever complained about HA builds, but i dont do vet trials.
That mythic ruined PVP. Take it out of PVP and do whatever you want but when battle spirit active you better use two bars
The only thing that needs to stop is people getting kicked from groups for wearing Oakensoul. People just want to clear content and whatever or however you do it should be the end of it.
I love how in the last 36 hours several eso content creators have made the same damn video. I’m over trying to find unique eso content because all you creators just fxcking do the same videos with a few words changed. I hope you don’t read this YouTube comment
As someone that is trying to get the light attacks down, I cannot fault people for using heavy attack builds.
this heavy attack stuff is giving me a lot of practice as an ot in vas.
I can't even blame them anymore ESO runs terrible the combat is slow and clunky. On console maybe 4 teams had Godslayer within its first couple years. Let the young players get their worthless titles, I see no issue with it.
As someone who tanks vet trials(VDSR, VRG, etc) I fully support HA builds. Easy way to get people into harder content to teach them mechanics without worrying about roto.
I know as someone who has just begun playing in December that you’re honesty and voice of reason has helped me navigate the waters of an extremely complicated game socially and mechanically! I appreciate you bro!
I'd like to take this opportunity to congratulate every super skill master on their keen ability to…mash buttons…and lament the fact that…gear…interferes so horrifically in unfairly diminishing such coveted talents.
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Heavy attacks have been around for a long time. Hacktheminotaur produced a heavy attack build about 3-4 years ago that used undaunted unweaver and noble duellist, with a maelstrom backbar and a lighting staff front bar, IIRC. I used that for quite a while. It was great. The change AFAIK is more about the change to Empower in HA which was buffed last year. Either way it's got NOTHING to do with Oakensoul which people seem to have fixated on.
As you say, a HA and oakensoul HA build can do between 75-100 dps now whilst a 2 bar setup can do up to 140k, i.e. 40% more… so what's the problem. What it DOES do is make it so people can do some of the harder content to see and learn the mechanics. That's it's REAL significance. If people don't learn those there is NO build that will make a difference. Also, as anyone who's used them in content knows, if you spec for the very highest dps you'll usually be pretty 'squishy' and die a lot. If you're dead you're doing precisely ZERO dps.
Where a HA build, (using oakensoul or not), DOES normally shine is in AOE damage which the HA lightning staff does well. They also can do reasonable damage over a distance which sometimes melee builds sometimes struggle with.
Either way, as you say, what's the problem… it's GAME, after all.
I just want it said that as a person with a disability who has spent many hours an a dummy trying to reach a number suitable to get Into advances content that this one bar build is a life saver. U use to be a gamer that could do almost anything in games with practice, but after my accident that was taken from me in many ways. I now am a constant player of eso because this world is better than the one I face irl. Now with the release of Oakesoul I can finally play the content I was used to. I understand that it has made it easier. I know that wering okensoul puts me In A diffrent class of players but I can finally do stuff I was unable to do before. So please for me and people like me don't make them change it because we can now do content, instead know that you still are the master of your class if your a 110kdps+ 2 bar build.
I'm pretty experienced in MMORPGs but the combat system with it's 8 to 9 button 10-second buffs from everywhere (half of it not even class related) you have to press is just garbage game design. All characters are running, jumping, rolling around and spam their buttons with overclipping animations. I actually love playing with the weapons more than pressing all these stupid buttons like playing the piano so I'm fine with the oakensoul. And tbh: Who cares about endgame dps meters and all that stuff in ESO. Man this games endgame is so irrerlevant compared to almost overy other mmorpg. It's actually the only game I really enjoyed for its world and story but never really cared about raids because they are neither well designed nor worth the time.
they need to buff oakensoul for pvp so these sweaty ppl so something more to cry about
I understand Heavy attack oakensoul build because yeah its a short cut to end game but jeeez that end game is so long to reach that i understand why people are searching a short cut, the same way u search for a shorter drive to go to work
If your running dungeons or trying to run a trial without a tank (gasp) then oakensoul is fine. In a properly set up trial group most of the oakensoul benefits are redundant.
Oakensoul is something that is sent from above to those that cannot run 2-bar bar-swapping-every-5-seconds-rotations.
But basically these Elitists don't want people who are mechanically inept due to an illness that causes less dexterity in their hands and fingers to play ESO…