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In this video, I discover just how well Presonus Studio One performs on the new Apple M4 Pro range of computers.
I’m also running some tests similar to those of @JamesZhan , and getting surprising results!
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro
01:14 Macbook Specs
02:06 Macbook Storage
03:40 Audio Interface and Sample Rate
04:27 Mix Test Methodology
06:12 Mix Test 1
08:27 Mix Test 2 (with virtual instruments)
10:48 Guitar Latency Test (Ampire)
13:01 Guitar Latency Test (Amplitude)
14:25 Virtual Instrument Latency Test
17:13 James Zhan Tests
19:46 James Zhan Test Results
23:49 The Superman Test and Conclusion
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Hi Mike, hope you are well. Great video, very thorough, and very informative. Have you ever done a similar test with your PC and if so what were the results?
Thanks for a very informative and useful video. I am a studio one user that uses a PC. I have thought about getting a new Mac mini. I use all hardware synths,guitars and outboard effects. A standard track count would be 20 tracks. I use a Tascam 2400 as a usb audio interface and have a Behringer xr 18 going into 2 channels of the Tascam to give me individual inputs from my 2 drum machines. What sort of speck mini would you sagest I don’t use plugins or samples libraries. My only concern is I have 5 synths and 2 drum machines all with usb connections to my PC and if I got a Mac I would take advantage of aggregated devices and have both usb sound cards connected to the Mac. Any suggestions would be very appreciated.
any tips on what to install on internal SSD and external TB drive? I've gone with mac Mini pro and 8tb NVME via TB4 CADDY. I have foun some software won't allow you to install on and external drive but can get around this by installing MACos on the drive but boot fromt he internal SSD, UVI and others had issues with an extrrnal drive unless it's a "Boot" drive. I am getting 3000mb/s read and write on the external drive.
A 650 dollar pc
Interesting analysis, thanks. I saw James Zhan‘s video, and I was disappointed that S1 didn’t compare well to other DAW‘s, seemingly because it doesn’t use the efficiency cores. Maybe that will change someday, but I like other aspects of S1 enough to stick with it for now.
I will be interested to see if music software starts to use GPU cores in the coming years. I don’t do video or photo production, so it irritates me that there’s so much wasted power in my Mac that could be used for music production. This is not science fiction, as there is already one company, GPU Audio, that is doing this with a small number of products, including Vienna Symphonic’s Power House, and Audio Modelling’s SWAM.
Still, my M1 Max laptop does everything I need in music right now, though it does sometimes crackle and pop with a CPU-intensive virtual instrument or effects chain, combined with a low sample size, such as 64 or 128.
Sometime in the next two or three years, I expect to upgrade to a desktop Mac for my main music machine, keeping the laptop for other things. What your and James‘ tests tell me is that I should prioritize performance cores when I buy (M6 or M7 by then?).
Another thought: Studio one can run individual plug-ins in Rosetta mode, even while it runs in native mode itself. I wonder if you and James have different set ups in this regard, even with the same plug-ins, and that this might account for differences in your results.
Interesting you use universal audio interface when you can get better performance out of rme audio interface. Seems strange you would go to all that expense and use a universal audio interface.
Well done 👍
Thank you Mike. Looking to picking up an M4 pro for studio one and a Quantum 4848. Tracking 48 tracks live with effects while providing monitoring for five people with as little latency as possibe is a pretty tall order. Most videos are about how many tracks you can mix at a time. I've never had a problem with that. I think the real challenge is tracking and you are the first person I've seen address this. I'd like to see a video of someone recording a five piece band with studio one and maybe a quantum 4848 using an apple M4 device. A good add for PreSonus and apple.
Quick Tip for you, MacOS has a built in screen recorder in the Utilities folder called "screenshot", Screenshot that can record the screen and not use any CPU it uses the encoders, with audio from the DAW and your mic and you can use it by pressing down and holding in this order "shift, command, 5' for a shift command 3 will take a full screen shot and shift command 4 will let you choose the spot you want a picture of. Also another piece of advice open finder and drag your applications folder to the right size of the dock this will give you a menu a quick menu of all of your apps. If you right click on a folder in the dock you can make it a List or a Grid "the best is grid" or the awful FAN option, and you can make the folder just be a folder in the dock in the right click menu so it doesn't show the contents of the folder in the dock. Just choose folder instead of a stack.
You use how many plugins!? That had to have been a sarcasm
Finally! A real world test from the tracking side of things. What is the thought of multitrack (16+) tracks at a time for instance?
I have the same MBP as you except the 512gb SSD version, i cant even use studio one pro 7 for longer than 20 minutes without getting significant graphical glitches, artifacts, the UI totally disappering, etc, its been completely unusable for me, I've tried reinstalling, everything is up to date, changing audio settings, same issues. I dont have any issues in any other app on it, including multiple other DAWs i use. Its a bummer 😞
On the ‘brute force’ test, my M1 Mac Studio with 32 gigs of ram croaked at 325 tracks. (I was really surprised performing one of your later tests that I could set the block size back to 64 samples, and still record without issues with 255 tracks (and 760 plugins) playing behind it using the green z)
What's the name of that desktop/tabletop? What's the dimensions?
Some plugins have the ability to do their own multithreading, which accounts for the Amplitube5 results you saw. Kontakt can do that also. In practice, it's not a good idea to use that feature since it can conflict with the host's own threading, so most plugins that have that feature have a way to turn it off.
Just to point out the obvious about why you got different test results than James Zhan: he used a different cpu than you. He used a 12 core M4Pro.
How was the fan noise when you ran your tests?
Nice test but I will have to disagree with most it wasn’t very useful! I was hoping to compare the test projects to M1 M2 and M3 but didn’t see that. In addition duplicating audio tracks does not put any stress on the bus system because the track is loaded into ram even if it is duplicated 500 times. In real life if you have 100 audio tracks such as an orchestra all playing at the same time it will be very stressful on the system, I did not see that test done by you. One more similar test you got it wrong when you duplicated kontakt with Alisha Keys library, again all samples are already loaded into ram so having 100 kontakt tracks playing the same library doesn’t mean you can play even 40 different libraries, especially you have all sample libraries externally saved. I wanted to like your tests but non of them are real life scenarios unless if you intended to compare to previous version as I mentioned but you didn’t. Cheers.
Would be interested to know the amount of unified memory usage in these tests
Thanks , i have seen many such videos but none mention the process of moving and reinstalling hundreds of vst plugins that are authorised to a windows system onto a Mac, have you any advice or tips for people like myself that are moving from windows to mac,
All I can say is, don't use Studio One any more. The company has changed its distribution model, it is no longer possible to buy the program but only to rent it annually – therefore, don't buy it anymore but download a .tor the “old way” and be happy not to throw money down the throat of a company that sees its customers as “prey”.
Great job Mike (as usual …) ! 👍
Yes I also found that the amount of RAM plays a big role when using multiple virtual instruments. Thanks for your great videos.
This was great information. Thank's! Pulling the trigger on a M4 Mac this year. Dreading the migration. Currently still using my 2016 I Mac, 4 GHz i7 32GB 1TB. The track i'm mixing at the moment has 81 track's. 274, 3rd party plugins with 17 track's frozen. Buffer set to 1024. Processing thread 8 and buffer set too large. It's on the brink of total collapse but still going.
Great video and another +1 vote for a USB test!
Great video!! Thank you! I always watches Zhan’s video a few weeks ago and was surprised to see his test show studio one not using all the cores, but yours did!! Great test!!
Thanks Mike. I am in the process of dividing my home studio between my tried and true Cakewalk/Studio One 7 PC with my new Mac Mini M4 Pro with Studio One 7. Your new journey into the Mac world is of utmost interest to me for oblivious reasons. 👍 My audio interfaces are currently all USB so I am curious of how that’s going to work on the Mac.
I guess this must be good information for Apple users, but I will never be able to justify the Rolls-Royce expense of a computer like yours. I liked your videos better when you were helping people make the most of the free Cakewalk by Bandlab DAW on affordable generic PCs (and thank you for those tutorials).
Awesome video! Killer information.. So sorry we never got the chance to work together.
Great Video! You and James have covered everything I needed to know for the real world situations I face daily. Will be upgrading my Mac Pro trashcan in the next few months to either the M4 Pro Mini or M4 studio once it's announced.
Thanks so much, really appreciate it.
Doesn't having a good interface help with performance/latency? How does it help or not help?
Quick ask…I have an m1 Mac, 16gb ram 1 tb ssd. I’m mixing 32 tracks atm and having drop outs of audio. Looked it up and by the looks of it, it’s a disk issue? Anyway around it??? Thanks btw
Apple… why?
I recently watched a video of the Kreative Devices mini that crushed the M4 in performance, for much less when maxed out.
It's so strange to see the Cakewalk guy talking about a mac. 😅 I hope it works out for you, I ended up going back to windows due to apple's limitations.
Aww common. Use heavier cpu 3rd party plugins to be realistic. Almost no one serious uses stock plugins.