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[Ishtar, Sample C2 Runner]
Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II
Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Assault Damage Control II
Pith C-Type Large Shield Booster
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
10MN Afterburner II
Core Probe Launcher I
[Empty High slot]
Small Coaxial Compact Remote Armor Repairer
Drone Link Augmentor II
Medium EM Shield Reinforcer II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Federation Navy Ogre x7
Republic Fleet Berserker x7
Core Scanner Probe I x16
Mobile Tractor Unit x1
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I'll watch the video later, but the Ishtar sucks. It's nothing like it's former glory
interesting video. Also looking forward to the comments as they roll in as I have an ishtar but so often I have to warp out to safety or suffer the loss of the ship. also lost 2 of them so far and I am of the opinion my fit is perfectly fine i am just not using the ship correctly. it seems to have a particular play style that i have yet to understand or work out.
I agree in the fact that for the average player that a ship that takes a lot of skill to fly is not a good idea that being said there are certain ships that are awful by themselves but in the right hands are insane see the navy issue exploration frigates back to the Ishtar tho it just does not seem like that's the case I would much rather stick to a t3 c or a myrmidon if I'm doing c2's lol
I remember when Ishtars were *EVERYWHERE*, pvp? ishtar, pve? ishtar, hauling? ishtar, I even got one for cheap because they were every freaking where
Nice video 🙂, and my advice is that with dropping drones and going to about 100km, it should work in theory in regards to the drones killing things since drones attack anything aggroing you….or could be things shooting or neuting/scramming you, even if you haven't locked them but the disadvantages are the sleepers might choose to attack something closer instead of you since you are too far away and what i know about the ishtar [the ship itself] is that it is the one that's supposed to tank the DPS, and that's where you might start loosing drones, my experience with wormhole sites is that, frigs like attacking light drones and anything above but cruiser ignore or cant attack lights but can attack mediums and above and battleships tend to just shoot you but in theory should be able to attack heavies and centries, Sleepers have unique behavior in comparison to other rats lol
Ah, the spicy hair dryer!
Sir you are flying too much Minmatar/Caldari that you forgot to practise gallente ships as well, there must be some problem with your drone micromanagement. Ishtar is the best cruiser for ratting. I love gallente ships
Good vid Captain. I feel compelled to inform, however, that you're mispronouncing the Isktar though. lol
The agro against drones when flying Ishtar is real. Is one of the reasons why I eventually leaned more towards gun/missile ships for my PVE needs… Slightly curious whether Armor Tanking at the cost of one DDA would be a safer approach, but that's besides the point.
I have for the most part almost completely given up on using Drone Boats. While they may be great for more relaxed playing, with my limited available time I generally don't mind putting some extra effort into PVE. 1h/d is also hardly enough to spend an entire cargo hold of ammo, making gunships quite a bit more efficient. Not to mention that, on top of instant application, you can also get more raw DPS depending on fits. Missile boats are great as well, and, unlike long-range guns or larger drones, struggle less when hitting small targets. But I guess every weapon has it's pros and cons, and I'm just gravitating towards the ones more suited to my preferences…
PS: I used to fit my Ishtar's free high slots with Small Arty. They can pack some pretty decent extra punch for how little fitting they use…
Standard Bluepill did the trick for me as i tested grendals fit in the C3.
Use this . Your fit is shit . Just change the fit like drones and stuff like you want it
[Ishtar, *PVE 1]
Sentient Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
X-Large C5-L Compact Shield Booster
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Pithum C-Type Multispectrum Shield Hardener
Pithum C-Type Multispectrum Shield Hardener
Sisters Core Probe Launcher
Medium EM Shield Reinforcer II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Caldari Navy Vespa x10
Wasp II x10
Hornet II x5
Sisters Core Scanner Probe x8
Inertial Stabilizers II x1
Nanofiber Internal Structure II x2
Mobile Tractor Unit x1
Can geckos work ? For agro I pray to bob at the sun and I tend to use tech II I know technically your right but the bob spaghetti code is real and in my real world testing tech II gets less agro try it out don’t forget to pray to bob at sun 🌞 also drones bloom signature when using MWD so if yellow box easier to hit so sometimes I use drone speed augmentor for better speed , orbit for sig tank
In the main it's CCP hating on drones, there are just certain rats in certain sites that will target drones, even in high sec combat anoms it's easy to have drones killed by the 'elite' frigates.
Once you have launched drones and either set them on a target or if set to aggressive, a target strikes at you, the drones will attack that target even if you move out of control range.
Aggressive action is key though, if you kill one target outside of control range, unless a rat is shooting at you, they will seek to return to orbit, so you couldn't rely on them killing a pack of short range targets automatously.
I'd probably use something like this for C2s:
[Ishtar, Maybe C2]
Assault Damage Control II
Multispectrum Energized Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II
800mm Steel Plates II
Explosive Energized Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Medium F-RX Compact Capacitor Booster
Stasis Webifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Medium Energy Nosferatu II
Medium EM Armor Reinforcer II
Medium Explosive Armor Reinforcer II
Ogre II x5
The web and the omni doing the same as your tracking enhancers to get damage applied with an omni armour tank but obviously you're then brawling rather than kiting.
Ok do not do this….but there is a way to make drones so darn durable with implants and rigs its ridiculous more tank than a battleship……..however the pricetag😵😵😵 for alot loss just throw missiles at the issue
'HAC = Heavy Assault Cruisers"….not "Attack'. There are better choices than an Ishtar for Sleeper sites. My Galllente alts uses an Ishtar for level 4 missions. But, never in J-Space. There are better Gallente ships, if you want to go that faction route. 😉
I am also not a fan of a shield fit Ishtar.
It may hamper your shield tank but a target painter might help with getting aggro on you.
The Shield fit is a PVP fit changeup that armour repair person blasters and a energy neutralizer
Great Video Benzie!, Unfortunately I really dislike drone boats for WH content. just so much management of drones.
Hey Cap., nice vid any thanks for ur learnings. That helps a lot.
Just a side comment: can u make chapters in the video timeline? So I can jump better to the parts.
Thanks and keep up the work!
if you find your drones being attacked there are a few things you can do. first try bring up the new eden store and spend about 5 sec scrolling then relaunch drones. if that didnt work warp off to a safe and after to you stopped eject and wait 10 secs and reboard your ship and see if that works. also try fitting a 100mn AB on your ishtar.
I found that the ishtar is better passive tanked. Throw a large extender or 2 on there with that hardener instead. You might want to sacrifice one or both of those tracking links for faster shield regen. Mine was hella cap stable with the mwd on too. Never did wormholes but mine had 40-50k ehp with 100k+ range. The ishtar is a beast.
Did I use the wrong size repper? :p
Ishtar is great ship im skilled into HAMs so i fly a cerb but i respect people who main the ishtar.
Was wondering how you came to the conclusion that the Ishtar is meant to be shield fit? Looks more like a ship meant for armor tanking. I have used a VNI fit for ratting drone hordes solo but the shield tanking was more secondary since armor tanking would have slowed it down. While it was primarily speed tanking with a large AB. It handled the site fairly nice and over propped VNI were able to make 100k an hour in hordes back then. However it's before the nerf to VNI that reduced the number of heavy drones that could be launched. The only major problems that I'd come across other then hostile players. Would be if a carrier spawned in the site which isn't common but has happened. Which can alpha a VNI easily if it doesn't get off grid fast enough. Would need others in alliance to clear it from the site.
When I played back in 2014 & 2015, I ran a Vexor build that was ranged and was going to guild up to the Ishtar. After returning to the game earlier this year I found that it seemed my drones were being attacked way more then before. I'm not sure if they did a combat update or what while I was inactive but yeah the drones need to be micro managed well on that ship line.
Also its squishy cause we are shield tanking a ship that was designed for armor tanking. Grated the best fit requires a shield tank but that's why the tank feels lack luster to other ship fits.
Even when I was flying a Rattlesnake it seemed that drones are for close range brawling now. If you want to hang back and snipe then Sentries are your only option whenever elite frigates etc are on the menu. For drones you need to be in there trying to hold aggro and using e-war to support. Also you have to be close by to reel them in when they do get aggro. No need for 100k+ control range as they will not survive the trip out and back. It kinda makes sense as other weapon systems have a close range and snipe range alternative.
Having some sort of targeting can minimize the agro. Target painter or some turret. Also lock up your drones so you can rep them as you bring them in.
I used to love drone boating back when I played EVE (which was over a decade ago!). Ishtar was one of my favs; but I focused on sentries and just getting aggro on myself and tanking while things evaporated. Flying drones were so expensive to replace over time since they would fly into range of non-aggro'd enemies and pull them on themselves… but I always stayed in range of sentries to scoop and scoot. I just viewed it like a tower defence mini game. I think I did use a target painter to gain aggro.