Could a Single Space Marine Legion Conquer the Warhammer Fantasy World?
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Yeah Majorkills tactical approach doesn't speak for what Guilliman would reallistically do.
Lol by the end of this I really think Majorkill was way too biased. Not saying fantasy doesn't have powerful units and figures… But a space marine legion has way more tactic and tools at their disposal. Even just consider how were talking a deploymen of tens of thousands of marines spewing millions of explosive tipped rounds… Not to mention other kinds of weapons at their disposal such as missiles, plasma, volkite, flamer, melta and lascannons etc
Accolonn just failed his 40k Final Exam
no titans, no admech, no "round the clock carpet bombing", and no exterminatus…… he laid out the conditions VERY CLEARLY in the beginning of the video.
The question is could the ultra marines conquer it… Not the Imperium
A note on the lack of librarians amongst the Ultramarine legion. As we’re talking about 30k after the Council of Nikes the boys in blue shouldn’t have librarians as such though since such marines were returned to the ranks as regular battle-brothers Guilliman could reinstate them for this conquest. Also, I feel that orbital bombardments of Lustria and Nekhara would quickly follow once Guilliman had some idea of those regions level of resistance. Likewise Ulthuan once the dragons start waking; Guilliman is too good a general not to use his space navy’s big guns!
"Why does Fantasy get all its toys and the Imperium gets [only one space marine legion]"?
Because that's the premise of the video? Look, for what it's worth I also think Majorkill is severely understating and/or underestimating the power of Fantasy forces.
I say YES, a single Space Marine legion can easily conquer all of WH fantasy because it's their shtick. This is what Marines are made for. And there are numerous examples of higher-than-hitech civilizations that were brought to compliance by a Space Marine legion. Psykers/mages or not.
I think both Accolonn and his chat are misunderstanding the premise. It's space marine LEGION, so not current chapters and before the whole Horus heresy. So Guilliman is not lord regent either.
You didn't listen properly to the first 3 mints of the video.
Why does the warhammer world get everything? Because the thought experiment was could a legion conquer the world if they came across it during the great crusade.
In fact having the entirety of the largest legion attack this one planet is already plenty of advantage already for almost any foe.
Also it's not outside of the realm of possibility for a legion to fight without support from other forces. They did it all the time. The point of a legion was that they were self autonomous forces that could do whatever they wanted. The only reason they did team up with the army, mechanicus or other legions was because legions were almost always spread out fighting multiple wars at once, just not as broken up as current day chapters.
Also there really wouldn't be Librarians. Librarians were illegal towards the end of the crusade but that was also the period in which the Ultramarines were at their numerical height.
Also the thing about mechanicus not being there or titans. Legions fought without them all the time but also while titans might fight aside a legion they are not part of a Astartes legion. They're a different organisation altogether.
Also the person in chat who compared it to having america call in Canada is more accurate then tlyou think.
During the crusade the mechanicum wasnt an integrated part of the imperium. They were more like allied empires then anything else.
It was only after the heresy the Mars got brought into the imperium more and they still have a rediculous level of independence compared to almost ever other part of the empire
No because the skaven exist
The Adeptus Mechanicus, are in supreme control of their own forces, not even inquisitors have their powers in Admech space. According to the treaty of Mars, they are more of a co empire to "The Imperium".
No
As others have stated the premise was one 30k Legion vs the Old World (-Chaos). I do feel Majorkill has some bias in this video, especially towards the end, but that's nothing new for him at all (worst lore-tuber by far)
However there are things to point out.
In 30k the Mechanicum has yet to become the Adeptus Mechanicus, basically being a vassal/client state of the Imperium. It's effectively it's own separate entity that is allied to the Imperium. The Legio Titanica (the Titan Legions) are part of the Mechanicum, not the Imperium. And even in 40k as part of the Adeptus Mechanicus, which is a part of the Imperium, they can choose where they fight. You effectively have to petition them for support. They also aren't a "regular weapon of war" and are fairly rare, unless its titan on titan. The marines of 30k would even remark at how awe inspiring seeing a titan on the battle field was.
Marine legions don't have to work alongside the Imperial Army or Navy, and in many cases just use them to hold the ground they've already captured.
The scenario was conquest, not decimation. To primarchs like Guilleman and his legion, this meant they'd try to keep as much of the planet intact as they could. The 13th were renowned as one of the legions that would leave planets they brought into the imperium better off than they had left it. If it were a legion like the Death Guard they'd leave the world irradiated an uninhabitable for quite some time, or the Iron Warriors who'd leave the planet a barren wasteland.
When it comes to 30k related stuff effectively forget everything about Dark Imperium as it doesn't matter. In 30k the Emperor had the Edict of Nikea where he banned the use of psykers in the legions. One of the original Grey Knights was an ex-Ultramarines librarian who was shunned by his legion for using his powers to save his brothers from, if my memory serves me correctly, the Word Bearers. Showing that they likely wouldn't use their abilities to combat the Old World. Magic in fantasy also isn't technically the same thing as psychic powers in 30/40k. One being literal magic and the other a mutation that allows you to draw from a different dimension.
When it comes to the Chaos point, yes 30k has chaos as well, however as it was the Ultramarines selected, chaos wouldn't come into play for the space boys. And while I agree that using the chaos gods as a point would basically just be a never ending tide of Daemons.
The undead faction could likely raise up any slain space marines to fight against their former brothers.
There's effectvely a web around the world that would prevent orbital bombardment.
Now, what would actually happen if this scenario wasn't uber biased?
The Ultramarines and Guilleman would make contact with the human factions of the world promising them chances to join peacefully and help with exterminating the the "xenos" from the world. Likely most of the humans would refuse, but those that didn't would be granted access to basic army tech and training once the Ultras called for backup seeing how batshit everything is, I can imagine a great deal of peasant uprisings in Bretonnia. If I were to guess, Guilleman would likely have his legion, supported by elements from the Army, Navy, and Mechanicum, set up staging grounds and field bases where he could, with his prime objective being pacifying the human elements. If need be calling in support/relief from (swapping places with) another legion. And effectively the 30k armies would take massive amounts of casualties, as conquering one of the most batshite insane fantasy settings would be on par with some of the other devastating campaigns from the great crusade, but it would inevitably be conquered.
Today I learned Acco doesn't understand how hypotheticals work lol
every spacemarine that die turn into zombie tho
This entire video is just people who know fantasy lore watching Accolonn be bewildered by what Fantasy has saying to themselves “Does he know?”
A single legion during the Great Crusade even with their usual auxiliary guard regiments and AdMech forces is not conquering the planet, and orbital bombardment isn’t going accomplish much against Warhammer Fantasy. Even with a legion reactivating their Librarians (who weren’t that numerous) isn’t going to help very much.
Bro just go back to where he explains the rules instead of making 10 tangents in which you have complains that were already preventively addressed
How will they even tackle the undead?? They have straight up ghost?
I believe fantasy can halt the progress of the space marine legion
Why are you acting like you know your stuff?
Marines CANT take a single thing from the Ad Mech, they may politely ask for it, but the fact that you think that marines can TAKE stuff from the Ad Mech is rather sad.
The Ad Mech has its own agenda, and is techanically independent from the imperial goverment. The two headed eagle of the empire represents the duality of Terra and Mars confederation.
Every single legion had to petition for every single ship, tank and heavy piece of equipment to the Ad Mech, and only after they considered it worthy of interest was the petition fullfilled, if the Ad Mech touch two buttons the whole of the imperium grinds to a screeching halt.
majors wrong the Slaan of the lizardmen would litteraly snap there fingers and delete the fleet