Just need to correct Graham about the origins of The Snow Queen: it's a highly acclaimed fairytale published in 1844 and written by none other than Hans Christian Andersen! If anything, the White Witch of Narnia seemed to have been inspired by Andersen's Snow Queen.
Ash counting itself for Celebration as a Haste creature has me really wanting to jam with it. I was way out of Magic when Eldraine 1 happened, I see now why people were really into the whole deal.
I think Neva is actually supposed to be Snow White, not Sleeping Beauty – she has the very classic black hair, pale skin and ruby lips in the art; while it's at first unusual that she'd be "stalked by nightmares", given Eriette (the obvious parallel to Snow White's villain with her tainted apple) is teamed up with Ashiok this suddenly makes a much more plausible connection. My guess is Obyra is the intended "Sleeping Beauty," especially given the original's connection to faerie godmothers.
For anyone bordering on madness waiting for the lore/story portion of the video to be over, it goes on until 51:45. This really should have been a "lore" episode, and the "first look" should have been it's own episode next week.
Go go algorithm engagement! In any case, these are my rudimentary guesses for the fairytale inspirations for the two-color legendary cycle:
Ash: Cinderella, depicted on the card Stroke of Midnight. Greta: Hansel and Gretel (obviously) Johann: The Sorcerer's Apprentice (also obvious) Neva: Snow White, in sharing a color identiry to Ariette and being depicted in the new art for Glass Casket. Obyra: Sleeping Beauty Ruby: Little Red Riding Hood (the most obvious of all) Sharae: This one I'm not sure about, but I'm confident it isn't The Little Mermaid because several cards feature a character named Valtry that fits that description better. Syr Armont: Beauty and the Beast, seems to be related to several cards that refer to Redtooth Keep featuring a bunch of werefoxes, such as Royal Treatment, Besotted Knight and Archon of the Wild Rose. Totentanz: The Pied Piper (obvious is obvious) Troyan: Jack and the Beanstalk (obvious yet again)
Also Peter kind of has a card in Agatha's Champion, even appearing in the armor that was described in the story (and being a 4/4 does trigger Ruby's ability!)
One of Lorwyn's distinguishing factors is that there are no humans naturally there. It's got roots in the Celtic stories of the fae, rather than the more "good triumphs over evil" fairy tales that Eldraine is based on. Similar inhabitants (elves, fairies, merfolk, etc), but distinct enough flavor. Using D&D settings for comparison, Eldraine would be the normal world most adventures take place in, while Lorwyn would be the Feywild.
An interesting conversation about The Goose Mother; what is the best number to pick for X? Obviously bigger is stronger, but if you have it in hand on turn two, do you just run it out as 2/2 flyer that may eventually draw a couple cards? Do you just hold it in hand long enough to get the first food? Or do you keep it until it's a legit finisher? Most likely, I think you'll play the first goose mother as soon as it's the only play that can use more than half your mana, and you hold on to any additional copies until they are your only real options.
I just can't hear wicked slumber without saying it in my head immediately in an Australian accent. Oi Wicked Slumba there mate! This is a faerie curse and my mind will never abate it.
Lorwyn seems to center more on the Fae courts. With Lorwyn being the summer court and Shadowmor being the winter court. It’s similar to the Grimm tales but feels different.
Thought it sounded like the plane of Xerex took little/no damage from the Phyrexians due to incomprehensible geometry. And on the prologue to the set, you're mentioning a quest. Like, a King's Quest? Insert game series references here.
I love the cast. I really do. I am super happy for Graham's blondies and everything… I appreciate every single one of you.. But can you give us Wheeler as well?
I mean, I'd ask for Ben, Adam, Serge and everyone else too in a while…
Love you all, great stuff you do, most favourite MTG content creators in the whole universe.
I didn't know the story about the twins' mom, but I'm surprised they put rape in a Magic story. I think we really need to get past thinking that if it's done with magic instead of real world drugs, that it's somehow child friendly.
I don’t know which discworld commander I’d want to build first, Moist Von Lipvig from the ankh-morpork deck or Rob anybody and the Nac Mac feegle from the practical magic deck
I disagree that Eldraine is eating into Lorwyn’s pie.there was one red cap card from Shadowmore, which I would argue isn’t Lorwyn. But secondly, Lorwyn doesn’t have humans. Thirdly, Eldrain feels like a chaotic mix of stuff, whereas Lorwyn feels more a unified whole. Fourthly, Eldrain is both silly and dark at the same time, Lorwyn/Shadowmore is “bipolar”. Fifthly, Lorwyn isn’t that magical, most of it being inherent to the nature of the being. Lastly, Eldrain is very kingdom, where as Lorwyn is purely rural.
"For a moment, she mistakes the hurt in his expression for sympathy. It is the longest moment of her life—a length of hope tied around her neck, a box kicked out from under her. "I don't know you anymore," he says."
The Snow Queen is coming from northern european folklore, especially est europe. there is a beautiful russian animation adaptation of the original tale and you can find it easily on youtube – for some reason links are not working – just look for Snow Queen 1957 – this predates Narnia actually. The sleeping duelist is I suppose from polish fable, where there is legend of these sleeping knights coming back from slumber to fight the evil.
Redcaps are a very old faerie tale creature, so it makes sense for them to appear in Eldraine even if Lorwyn borrowed them first
Just need to correct Graham about the origins of The Snow Queen: it's a highly acclaimed fairytale published in 1844 and written by none other than Hans Christian Andersen! If anything, the White Witch of Narnia seemed to have been inspired by Andersen's Snow Queen.
Engagement!
Ash counting itself for Celebration as a Haste creature has me really wanting to jam with it. I was way out of Magic when Eldraine 1 happened, I see now why people were really into the whole deal.
Can we rename TTC to the Kathleen and friends story hour? I’d watch that all day
I don't appreciate how Sharae's legs are implied to turn into fish tails.
I think Neva is actually supposed to be Snow White, not Sleeping Beauty – she has the very classic black hair, pale skin and ruby lips in the art; while it's at first unusual that she'd be "stalked by nightmares", given Eriette (the obvious parallel to Snow White's villain with her tainted apple) is teamed up with Ashiok this suddenly makes a much more plausible connection. My guess is Obyra is the intended "Sleeping Beauty," especially given the original's connection to faerie godmothers.
For anyone bordering on madness waiting for the lore/story portion of the video to be over, it goes on until 51:45. This really should have been a "lore" episode, and the "first look" should have been it's own episode next week.
Appreciate the lore summary very much.
Go go algorithm engagement!
In any case, these are my rudimentary guesses for the fairytale inspirations for the two-color legendary cycle:
Ash: Cinderella, depicted on the card Stroke of Midnight.
Greta: Hansel and Gretel (obviously)
Johann: The Sorcerer's Apprentice (also obvious)
Neva: Snow White, in sharing a color identiry to Ariette and being depicted in the new art for Glass Casket.
Obyra: Sleeping Beauty
Ruby: Little Red Riding Hood (the most obvious of all)
Sharae: This one I'm not sure about, but I'm confident it isn't The Little Mermaid because several cards feature a character named Valtry that fits that description better.
Syr Armont: Beauty and the Beast, seems to be related to several cards that refer to Redtooth Keep featuring a bunch of werefoxes, such as Royal Treatment, Besotted Knight and Archon of the Wild Rose.
Totentanz: The Pied Piper (obvious is obvious)
Troyan: Jack and the Beanstalk (obvious yet again)
Also Peter kind of has a card in Agatha's Champion, even appearing in the armor that was described in the story (and being a 4/4 does trigger Ruby's ability!)
One of Lorwyn's distinguishing factors is that there are no humans naturally there. It's got roots in the Celtic stories of the fae, rather than the more "good triumphs over evil" fairy tales that Eldraine is based on. Similar inhabitants (elves, fairies, merfolk, etc), but distinct enough flavor.
Using D&D settings for comparison, Eldraine would be the normal world most adventures take place in, while Lorwyn would be the Feywild.
if you were still doing friday nights alex would have a field day with goose mother!
An interesting conversation about The Goose Mother; what is the best number to pick for X? Obviously bigger is stronger, but if you have it in hand on turn two, do you just run it out as 2/2 flyer that may eventually draw a couple cards? Do you just hold it in hand long enough to get the first food? Or do you keep it until it's a legit finisher? Most likely, I think you'll play the first goose mother as soon as it's the only play that can use more than half your mana, and you hold on to any additional copies until they are your only real options.
Hydroid Goose-is has to be one of my favorite card nicknames ever and I hope it sticks.
I just can't hear wicked slumber without saying it in my head immediately in an Australian accent. Oi Wicked Slumba there mate!
This is a faerie curse and my mind will never abate it.
So you know what BREAKS Goose Mother in half for her ETBs, besides Doubling Season? Panharmonicon.
Lorwyn seems to center more on the Fae courts. With Lorwyn being the summer court and Shadowmor being the winter court. It’s similar to the Grimm tales but feels different.
Syr Armont is Beauty and the Beast. She creates a monster, but redeems it.
Blue black could be a Shakespeare fairy
This was fun to listen to! I just want to point out the amusing detail of Peter being the 'wolf'. Most certainly a reference to Peter And The Wolf.
Can we just get more of Kathleen explains the story?
Imodane a total mommy.
Hans Christian Andersen's Snow Queen predates Narnia by A CENTURY. lol
Not sure if anyone else got this vibe, but I think Sharae is supposed to be the Little Mermaid? That was my guess when I first saw it
My best guess would be that Agatha's champion would be Ruby's Brother.
14:24 Hey! As a kiwi I… acknowledge that. But I'm not happy about it.
Thought it sounded like the plane of Xerex took little/no damage from the Phyrexians due to incomprehensible geometry.
And on the prologue to the set, you're mentioning a quest. Like, a King's Quest? Insert game series references here.
I think Sharae(UW) might be a reference to The Water Nixie
I love the cast. I really do. I am super happy for Graham's blondies and everything… I appreciate every single one of you.. But can you give us Wheeler as well?
I mean, I'd ask for Ben, Adam, Serge and everyone else too in a while…
Love you all, great stuff you do, most favourite MTG content creators in the whole universe.
Ash is either Cinderella or Beowulf. I'll take comparisons I never thought I'd make for $1,000, Mayim….
Snow queen is Hans Christian Anderson
I didn't know the story about the twins' mom, but I'm surprised they put rape in a Magic story. I think we really need to get past thinking that if it's done with magic instead of real world drugs, that it's somehow child friendly.
I love Kathleen's retelling of magic stories, it's such a highlight for me whenever it happens.
New cute rat friend tokens! ❤❤❤
I legit hope they add a few cards from other planes in every set now, to really play with the after effects of MOM
Snow queen has its origin in HC Andersons Snedronningen, it's a classic Danish tale, Frozen is based on it, as is the one in Narnia
Hylda did not set up shop in Castle Vantress. That's where Will is based. Her castle is one of her own making
I don’t know which discworld commander I’d want to build first, Moist Von Lipvig from the ankh-morpork deck or Rob anybody and the Nac Mac feegle from the practical magic deck
Edit: either way I run the luggage
I disagree that Eldraine is eating into Lorwyn’s pie.there was one red cap card from Shadowmore, which I would argue isn’t Lorwyn. But secondly, Lorwyn doesn’t have humans. Thirdly, Eldrain feels like a chaotic mix of stuff, whereas Lorwyn feels more a unified whole. Fourthly, Eldrain is both silly and dark at the same time, Lorwyn/Shadowmore is “bipolar”. Fifthly, Lorwyn isn’t that magical, most of it being inherent to the nature of the being. Lastly, Eldrain is very kingdom, where as Lorwyn is purely rural.
Goose mother is just a slower hydroid krasis without trample and the lifegain
WOE's story really worked for me.
"For a moment, she mistakes the hurt in his expression for sympathy. It is the longest moment of her life—a length of hope tied around her neck, a box kicked out from under her.
"I don't know you anymore," he says."
That part went hard.
Why Graham; don't you mean 'Cygnoid Hydra'?
('Cygnoides' is the Latin clade for goose species.)
I think Sharae is tha same story as Emry – The lady of the Lake, but maybe I'm wrong.
Also the Snow Queen was definitely a fairy tale before Narnia (The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Andersen)
Great episode
I don't care enough to read or listen to the story but I care just enough to listen to this disjointed summary of it
Wait, are you saying that there are times you don’t have a pack 3 pivot? Maybe I’m doing it wrong 🧐
The Snow Queen is coming from northern european folklore, especially est europe. there is a beautiful russian animation adaptation of the original tale and you can find it easily on youtube – for some reason links are not working – just look for Snow Queen 1957 – this predates Narnia actually.
The sleeping duelist is I suppose from polish fable, where there is legend of these sleeping knights coming back from slumber to fight the evil.