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Lightseekers 13:01 – 18:32
Rage of Dragons 18:33 – 21:04
Fledgling 21:05 – 24:39
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Misunderstood Black books 27:11 – 32:13
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The thing I was side-eyeing in Queenie was her aversion to black men, which is what I thought was gonna come up lol but the non-black ppl who were judging probably weren’t clocking that.
more so, it’s the fact that it wasn’t something the author or the main character thought that was something worth dissecting a bit further. Especially when her aversion to black men appeared to be connected to S A from a black father figure (it’s been a while so excuse me if I’m getting some facts wrong).
Was hoping they would have explored more nuance there.
I really appreciated this video and I hope that this inspires the community to continue to give Black authors a chance to improve as authors. There are so many white authors who publish straight trash but are best sellers. Don't get me wrong I love a trashy book sometimes, but I would love to have more trashy Black books😃
The fact you even have "book I love but can't ethically recommend" in your vocabulary, and that you regularly use it openly, is such a breath of fresh air in online artistic discourse. Not everything deserves a boycott/silencing over one bad element and we can still learn from and actually enjoy things with problematic elements, as long as we acknowledge them.
You have hate in your heart
Jasmine Guillory’s books were some of my first romance reads when I was trying to get into romance and find authors who aren’t white. But I’m glad I’ve moved on from her books because… yes Drew sucks. I think The Proposal and the 3rd book in that series (forgettable title oops 😬) work better but still, even for romance these books are formulaic 🥱
can you discuss the ace of spades i read it and was absolutely gobsmacked by the promotion of the book and the overall reviews
I am so grateful for the recommendation for Lightseekers! It was so good and so important! I was blown away by how Kayode talks about mass manipulation and crowd violence. For me, the mental illness was an important part of the story but not a disrespectful gimmick. I felt like it was introduced at the beginning and then the rest of the book was about trying to understand which character was more than they seemed, which feels
to mevery different from a book where you find out at the end that these two characters were actually just one body all along or something like that. I felt like there was an absolutely masterful exploration of the interplay between sick systems and sick individuals. I felt like the book had a powerful message about how easy it is for insincere actors to manipulate huge numbers of people into believing the worst about each other. There's also the quieter message that people who manipulate others are coming from a place where their needs for attunement and validation have not been met in a safe way.So I absolutely loved the story and the writing. I was really disappointed by the depiction of female characters. I felt like there were only the two women, and they were not fleshed out the way the many men were. It kind of felt like he wrote them as superwomen instead of as people. I hope Kayode can read a bunch of books written by people who are not men and come back with a ton of new stories for us!
There's a booktuber who's reading Octavia Butler right now but hasn't gotten to Fledgeling yet. I'm interested in their response to that book because they recently said that Butler is the only author they'd read XYZ trigger warning or problematic stuff from. They'd put down books with similar things in it written by other authors and kept Butler in their favorite authors list. Another booktuber is reading the Anne Rice vampire books, but they review them in a way to portray how ridiculous a lot of it is, rather than thinking they are lacking problems or whatever. Those reviews are like watching reality TV, haha.
When you talked about the misunderstood book and the black main character in Happily Ever Afters trying to "steal" the boyfriend of the white girl bully character, my response was "yeah, get that man away from the bully." Why would anyone think that's a bad thing? Some folks just have to find things to whine about. So even though I've not really heard of the book before, I might have to go find it now.
Y’all comparison to how people react and praise Evelyn Hugo with the reactions to Queenie is SOO on point! Also y’all comparison to The Name of the Wind and The Rage of Dragons is perfect. I see so many people tear down Dragons but praise Wind and I always sit there confused. How you like one sexist book but hate the other? The critiques are always about the sexism and it gives fake activism! Never about the writing being horrible, the timeline being confusing, nope none of that. I think the criticism that black authors get from white readers/reviewers stem from the fact that these readers always expect black people to be teaching about something or calling out some wrong doing in society. They expect that so much it’s getting to a point where black people are not allowed to make mistakes or have nuance in discussions because we’re suppose to be “perfect” or striving for perfection. I notice that with authors, reviewers, almost any black celebrity that’s been in the hot seat for anything. People are still talking about Jay Z cheating on Beyoncé but no one is talking about Adam Levine cheating anymore. It’s literally everywhere and sooooo annoying.
Yes Fledgling made me so uncomfortable. The age thing was weird. I would also add Native Son to this list. It has good points to make about society, but those points were overshadowed by the awful discussion of women and SA
Also I LOVED, absolutely LOVED Queenie, it was so so good
I too also thought it was so strange how the protagonist of "Cinderella is Dead" was so not understanding to the girl she liked, it didn't make sense to me. I would've understood it more if the character reflected on it later and understood why, but the fact that she didn't, made me question why she was like that at all. It made me me side-eye her the entire time….
7:33 hi i don't know if you're aware but the subtitle says 'blackmail' in here which may be confusing to viewers that depend on CC whether that might be because of language barrier or lack of sense of hearing 🩵 i just want to let you know cause it might be helpful 🩵
I'll be sure to pick up lightseeker, since the only other rep I've read was the other Mrs? I think that's the title but I hated how that was romanticizing DID.
I loved you should see me in a crown and have rise to the sun on my shelf and am still going to read it, but am admittedly less excited now after reviews came in. I didn't feel that way about the hate u give at all?? But I'm all here for people talking about how their experiences of books are different. It did feel like one written for me and it did feel like one where I felt represented in some ways especially when it came to the main characters coding situations and because we don't have enough Black books which depict how complex Black family dynamics can really be. Buuuut admittedly saying this as a Black British person where police brutality is different over here, and maybe some things did need explaining to me as I'm not Black American. So still here for all the differing opinions 🙂 Yeaaah I am still going to read flegling :3 It's on my shelf and I am curious about the discussions it is going to provoke seeing it reversed.
Does every author who puts something (problematic) in their [fictional ]work always have to choose to have a discussion about it though? 🤔
.. is it ever possible to utilize something (problematic) in fictional works without having a discussion about it?? &/or without just being condoning or perpetuating or glorifying of it?🤔😶
Love seeing Akasha, and this was a very good video from Akasha's guest. By the way, I've been trying my hardest to reach y'all on Patreon by posting comments on several posts and direct messaging y'al to no avail. Can y'all send me the discord invitation link via dm on Patreon? I rejoined the top tier on March 1st. There's another top tier patron that has been trying to get into the discord as well.
Also, did y’all know that the invitation links have an expiration unless y’all change the settings on discord.
Wow, this is the first video I have seen of yours and I think you are having such important conversations. Thank you for making this content!
30:03 I liked this book, but I know it’s one that most people don’t really like this one. I agree it is misunderstood.
Mild Spoilers for Fledgling: I've read Fledgling twice and (for context, I'm currently writing a vampire novel) so I feel like I understand what Octavia was trying to do, and I think the relationships between Shori (the 50 yr old vampire in a child's body) and her human familiars, is very intentional. I definitely think you should read it because there's a clear power imbalance between vampires and human familiars that I think Octavia was fully aware of when she wrote the book. To be honest it's hard to explain without giving more spoilers. But its linked to the idea that human-vampire relationships across vampire fiction (Twilight, The Vampire Diaries, etc) are inherently abusive in some way. I hope this makes sense lol.
Omg, Akasha is so sweet. She wanted to play. 🥰😩