#vegangains #thenutrivore #bivalves #veganism #discussion
Description: Nick (The Nutrivore) is a huge proponent of eating bivalves and Vegan Gains has always said it’s not vegan, because they are classified as animals. While he recognises that they are most likely not sentient, as they are lacking a brain, he’s following the precautionary principle. In this clip they discuss the topic: Is eating bivalves compatible with the vegan definition?
NOTE: Richard was not on cam.
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I would say that a bivalve has a more complex structure than a severed finger.
Also the eating of bivalves would normalize the eating of beings instead of eating things that have roots.
I think the benefit of the doubt is the just principle.
#BoycottMeat and all other animal products of cruelty and exploitation in any way possible!
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Nice video footage of Bivalves
One neuron is sentient? ❓🤨
Are scallops not sentient?
great video! if we are not sure, we should just let them be, to live their lives in peace. who are we to say their lives are trivial? there are hundreds of plants and fungi to choose from. why not leave them alone, until we know for sure? reductio is an easy cop- out
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Why would anyone want to eat that stuff, just look at it.
…and this guy @The Nutrivore banned me from his chat for calling him a nazi to bivalves… What a snowflake.
Plus who the hell would want to eat this disgusting shit! Youd have to be sick psychologically to find these partially sentient creatures appetizing.
Yeah no substantive sentience is still a form of sentience to care about because the reductios can lead to violating human rights equal to that of a bivalve. My opinion is still they are not vegan because they are partially sentient and I don’t like the idea of holocausting partially sentient humans equal to bivalves. This is simply a form of utilitarianism viewpoint of certain sentience levels. It’s pure hypocrisy.
I'd like to know 2AM Vegans thoughts on this
Keep in mind that Nutrivore would eat a double cheeseburger if one of his family members weren't going to eat it.
I'm glad this finally happened. It'd be cool if they do some collabs in the future – like debate reviews or joint content reactions.
Not sure if they'd both be up for it, but i'd enjoy it at least, haha
ngl i had no idea bivalves could make movements like that. just thought they sort of sat there
Just leave them alone. You don't need to eat them, so why risk it? It doesn't make any sense.
Amazing
The problem with this doesn’t actually prove Bivalves are actually brain dead nor equal to live body parts of humans. The research may very likely be wrong which is why we should give bivalves the benefit of the doubt and use the precautionary rule to not holocaust them. It is a cop out to justify holocausting an animal based on lack of understanding of the species with a lack of certainty of its sentience. There is no research that directly proves they aren’t sentient, so they should be equally treated with logical extension of human rights. Rights being life and not being exploited under any circumstances nor any purpose. The only exception should be self defense. Since bivalves don’t attack us, we have no justification to attack them. Also the reductios of holocausting bivalves based on their supposed lack of sentience can lead to rights violations/holocausts of humans based on the lack of understanding of the level of sentience. Understand? Fundamentally exploiting any animals is a direct contradiction to the principles of veganism. All animals are entitled to the same rights’ protections as we impose on humans to be logically consistent, thus applying the precautionary rule consistently.
the part at the end of the scientist showing the different body parts was interesting. definitely not appetizing though, i'll stick with chickpeas thx
Nick doesn't want to discuss the responsibility one who rescues hens should have in making sure the hens spend the rest of their lives in comfort. The best way to ensure the hens live a life of comfort, is to implant them so that they no longer lay eggs. this way, their bodies regain strength, and there are no more risks of complications(and there are many), due to the burden of egg laying.
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id never eat that, thats disgusting looks parasite ridden
Since they scurry away if u try and touch them + they are not very good for u I don’t eat them.
Its not vegan cmon , his function to clean water, so basically you eat sea shit cleaning organism
They may be vegan, but 2:23 is so disgusting that I could never bring myself to eat one.
The discussion seems to rest on the idea that sentience is a function of material structures; I'm skeptical of that perspective. I'm not sure, but it sounds like both of them see sentience, or consciousness?, as an epiphenomenon of material arrangements. I think there are good reasons to question that. I'm not exactly sure how a different view of consciousness would impact these kinds of discussions, but I think this alternative view should be taken into account. Great discussion.
Great to see your really starting to get a name for yourself out there 0:10
Facts and logic destroy carnist nonsense every time.
2 am vegan is getting vamous.
The guy at the end always finds the clit
The real question to give to Vegan Gains is the 'freelee' question.
Is it worse to eat an oyster or worse to have an abortion ?