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By avoiding being invaded, Britain became a base for the US air force and army, D Day would not have happened if the Germans had invaded Britain.
At this time, my dad was on a ship, HMS Golden Eagle, at the Thames estuary defending against Nazi bombers and my mum, recently widowed, was serving with the Surrey Fire Brigade, just south of Croydon at Banstead. I am proof that they both survived the war. 1940/41 was a tough time for Britain, without US aid.
My mum's first husband was killed in an air accident as he was training as a sergeant pilot.
I think that the fact that the USA has never experienced a major attack (apart from 9/11) numbs the population and the rest of Europe still feels the pain of wars on their lands.
Suggest you take a look at Operations Black Buck Falklands' Most Daring Raid. Excellent and dramatic re-constructional documentary. You may have touched on this subject already but probably not this particular made for TV account. Youl'll understand the mind set of the post war RAF. Well worth it.
If britain fell the war wouldve been over pretty quickly the Soviets had numbers but thats about it it was mostly a combination of britan and the US that won the war the soviet continued cant be undstateded obviously but if Britain fell before the US joind the war it would all be over the Soviets numbers wouldnt be enough to hold back the germans for very long with out the other allys unless america joined the war immediately following the british defeat it wouldve been over
My great uncle Philip was a Hurricane pilot. He was shot down and killed in 1942 at the age of 21. But his life, his service and his death became a sort of family legend passed down from my grieving grandparents' generation (he was my grandmother's youngest brother) to my parents and then to me. It's a different kind of "living memory", I think: the memory is kept alive to honour the fallen.
As a boy many years ago, I sometimes dreamed about meeting him. I wanted to be like him, wanted to be courageous and defend the nation, but in the end I figured out that being like him somehow wasn't the point. The point was to earn what he died to give me: freedom from tyranny and a long, safe life.
To me, it's that important and always will be. It's not mere history.
Read "The Man In The High Castle" by Philip K. Dick, SS-GB by Len Deighton, or "Fatherland" by Robert Harris (among other good examples) if you want some really brilliantly imaginative insights into the "what if the Nazis had won" counterfactual. They're great novels.
The UK had more than 3000 planes a month and the hawker/ spitfire/ bomber pilots went crazy to defend such a small island. The engineers were working every hour. Forget France, Spain, northern countries. The UK, according to the old pilots just flew and protected the sky above. Germany fell apart
The worst part of the war
If BRITAIN falls then suez would be lost and the oil fields would have given Germany vital oils reserves they lacked . Suez would have supplied more raw materials .
Britain’s resistance drew a lot of resource from the German military. If Britain had fallen then Germany would have been able to divert much more resource to the Russian front and would probably have defeated them. The USA would then have really struggled to put up any offense. Churchill was so correct when he said that the whole world, including the United States, would fall into a new dark age if Britain was defeated.
German fighters had only a short time over the target escorting bombers , also that time was further reduced because of the time it took large formations to form . Another factor was that pilots who bailed out could be back in a plane the next day in the case of the British , whereas the Germans became prisoners . Another factor was that damaged planes might have time to land , whereas German planes had to return across the channel .
The nature of WWII fighters was that they were more suited to defensive rather than offensive action because of their short range. This (thankfully) gave the RAF a huge advantage because the Luftwaffe could only remain over Britain for a few short minutes before they had to return home. This is why Britain ordered that a long range fighter be developed because they knew they would need an offensive fighter once they had won the Battle of Britain. The order was placed with North American Aviation who quickly developed the famous P51 Mustang. Initially it had an Allison engine which wasn’t up to the job, especially at altitude. It was an American WWI ace and famous polo player, Tommy Hitchcock, who persuaded the American Airforce to fit the Spitfire’s Rolls Royce Merlin engine into the Mustang, which totally transformed it. The Mustang engines were built by Packard Cars in Ohio under license from Rolls Royce and were called the Packard Merlin.
The German navy would have got out instead of being bottled up in North Sea ports and fjords, which Would have been another way for Germany to access the raw materials it lacked . If Turpitz had of joined Bismark in an Atlantic without the Royal Navy then Russia could not been supplied by the North Atlantic convoys that sailed from Britain with supplies produced in the US .
There is one fact, if Germany had won the war, I would not have been born and the same would have been for millions of others. It would be interesting to think what the world would be like now if that had been the case.
I'm an old American fart and my uncle flew for the RAF in the Battle of Britain in 1940 before the U.S. entered the war. He flew Hawker Hurricanes and Supermarine Spitfires. He brought home some crazy photos, as well as some outstanding guns. Miss the old guy.
If the U.K. had lost the Battle of Britain, and the Nazi operation Sea Lion had succeeded, We would have had to still invade North Africa and take that in order to get into Italy or Invaded Norway to get airbases for the 8th Air Force bombing campaign. The Manhattan project was already underway, so we could have dropped nukes on Germany in 1945. Roosevelt didn't want to nuke Germany, but Truman didn't have any qualms about it.
The first thing to remember is that this was a different time, chronically and culturally. Today, we are different people. It would not happen, and we would not respond, the same way
We would have supplied Russian units with equipment and later manpower. We could have resupplied over the Pacific.( Alaska).
Hitler started the war before the Luftwaffe was ready. They were outnumbered 800 to 1 even before the US and USSR became involved and their aircraft designs were tactical rather than strategic. It was a miracle for the German crews that they did so well for so long – 6 years almost non-stop! You should, as an American, learn about The Eagle Squadrons – three fighter squadrons of the Royal Air Force (RAF) formed with volunteer pilots from the United States during the early days of World War II (1940), prior to America's entry into the war in December 1941. My Great Uncle knew some of them. WW2 was his third war – after the Boer War and WW1. US Air Force Officer Billy Mitchell was ridiculed for thinking and demonstrating that aircraft could sink battleships… then came Pearl Harbour. If Britain fell, North Africa, Egypt and the Middle East – most vitally the OIL – would have been in German/Axis control. The Axis war with Russia would have lasted longer and, despite "General Winter" and the vast distances, Stalin could have been beaten by the combined forces of Germany, Hungary, Italy, Rumania, Bulgaria and Japan. Japan would also control most of South East Asia and most if not all of China.
America would have stayed out of war, Americans totally under appreciate how important it was for Britain to stand alone against Germany for years
I don't know this Persons name, or not even one atom of knowledge about him, but this I know. He is STUNNINGLY IGNORANT!.
What if the RAF had been defeated?
Germany could have attempted an invasion but without enough ships. Only two capital ships were available, no specialist landing barges and few merchant ships. Even with total air supremacy, it is unlikely that the Luftwaffe could have inflicted major damage on the Royal Navy. (At this point in time, no major warship had ever been badly damaged by aircraft at sea – A year later, things might have been different). Even if the Germans had already developed the anti-shipping skills that Fligercorps X would eventually master, they could not have defeated the many smaller British warships that would have decimated the invasion fleet. Short of shipping space (of which at least 30% would have been given over to fodder for their horses), the Germans would have used commercial river barges. This would have seriously disrupted Germany's internal economy and might have shortened the war.
If uk fell… the world would be speaking German it's that easy lol. America couldn't have even fought. Hitler would have had both French and birtish navy in his power the 2 most powerful in the world at the time. Least not to say Japanese fleets, Italian fleets, Turkey & Germany itself with Uboats. The USA wouldn't have been able to sail a single ship anywhere in the world without it being sunk.
It's hard to say what America would have even done. Would canada invade usa on Britain's terms due to it being in the empire or would there be revolt and usa take control in that land war… would have been interesting to say the least, also Australia etc would they join uk send fleets to Pacific, along with China/ Hong Kong (Hong Kong still in empire in this time) etc.
Hitler should have took UK out and war would have been won probably – but he knew if he took UK out the empire would strike him & the empire had more men etc. It wouldn't happen now but back then the king and queen and empire meant alot no doubt about that & now its more like nato. Imagine nato but UK is the mother country… if makes sense. If uk fell would the empire strike Hitler or would they listen to the king/queen and strike usa etc. Would have been interesting.
if britain fell, the govt and royals moved to canada with the home fleet. the war in the med goes on, but might have gone badly for us with more german air power deployable to north africa. we lose everything in the pacific and india is hard pressed to defend itself. but at least there would be no indian famine, since the food churchill had sent to britain doesnt leave, and its the british being rounded up into death camps because hitler considered us aryan but so implacably opposed we were too dangerous to be permitted to live.
secure on the atlantic coast, more troops head to north africa and soviet union. i still think they'd lose in russia unless the japanese (who hitler believed not even human and planned to wipe out after the german victory) invaded siberia.
would japan still be under such oil sanctions then that it attacks pearl harbor? i doubt it, given the oil they get in the 'greater east asia co-prosperity sphere' which was their phony name for the new japanese empire. ask the koreans and chinese how the conquered populations there would have been treated – serfs with no value other than work.
america likely eases off the sanctions on japan and prepares a lot better to defend its possessions, but may still go to war – how else can the japanese imperial forces set up their empire with the philipinnes in the way? the british empire has to devote resources to support america. britains starve to death en masse, the europeans all become slave labour and servants. who knows how long the war would have gone on like that and maybe america secures north america, south america is left neutral by germany and japan unless they can invade canada, then invade america from the north.
further than that i cant see. but no D-Day, defeat for britain in north africa also, and the east, meaning india is isolated, and likely declares independence, plus the suez canal under german and italian control. turkey would fall fairly easily along with the whole mid east. germany then has the oil it needs and can build a fleet to rival the combined fleets fighting from america.