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Artillery without the Art is just illery.
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And here I am using my grot guns as “wound” counters 🤣 I just take line of sight from the grot on the gun with the binoculars because “ya usez dem to see da enemy!”
I just put the grots on top of the mek gun.
I will repeat: wh and 40k were never meant to be played competitive. We have(had?!) the 'golden rule' that states that in case of rules being contradictive, players should behave like civilised people and solve the conflict. Or something like that.
But we wanted competitive, and GW delivers in their known manner. The people making the original game have long since been let go.
In 7th I remember it was technically illegal to charge a model standing on a wall or something, because base contact could not be made…
But in practice nobody would do that and any halfway serious event would have someone who judges these questions… Or else face the wrath of someone stomping your little plastic men, because you want to be that guy and put your jetpack movers into impassable terrain….
This is so fucking dumb this is rulelawing as a asshole
The rule is not a thing and its not sportmanship to do it
Should at least be able to charge em
They’re part of the model and you don’t literally fight the cannon you kill it’s crew
you just put it as close as you can and agree that it is engaged
I think it's perfectly fine the way it is. If both of those supposedly good players can't figure out how something plays in game like adults maybe we're better off not having them win.
And anyone complaining about how the rule helps an emplacement that can't move in an army that's already underpowered needs to get a life.
1. This is a Tournament using every Advantage you can get is reasonable. And i personally would say even the right thing to do so you can offizielle point out problems in the rulebook (very famous in Magic the 2000 Card Deck, because there was no max Deck size limit
2. How i would handle it is the Engagement range of the Crew gets added to the Engagement range of the artillery.
So as soon as you are in engagment range of the Crew you can attack the Artillerie.
What's that? Games workshop removing rules loopholes by for example, play testing? Pfft, good luck with that!
Easiest thing to do is just remove crew entirely by forcing the artillery pieces to be on a base and the crew must be on the same base eg like IG heavy weapons teams
If crew models are considered part of the model for all rules then you should be able to charge the crew?
I think we can all agree that the simplest solution is to change current 40K artillery rules to the 6th Edition Fantasy Battle War Machines and Crew rules. The sight of crews slowly walking from their destroyed cannon to the cannon that had lost its crew on the other half a player's deployment zone was one of the most glorious things I've ever witnessed…
Tournament players riun everything
So, Essentially, you cannot attack the Model because of conflicting rules
everyone involved knows exactly how this "should" work or be played. some people just suck and care more about winning then the hobby as a whole.
You think thats bad? You have never been cock blocked by tyranid bio mines all over the fucking board preventing movement/charges.
I do like finding these little rules, I remember one from 5th or 6th edition where it stated only one weapon profile can be use per turn, then out comes some space marines with multiple weapon profiles, one for shooting and one for assault, but the wording in the rules stated per turn not per phase, so you had to choose between shooting or assaulting, my local store upon finding this out homebrewed it to mean per phase as it's done now, most likely an oversight as it was put in an errata a few months later, but until that it was always funny to bring it up at other stores and see there reactions 😀
The simplest answer for this would be to require artlary and crew to be mounted on the same base and treated as a single multi would model.
The house rule a friend and I have for this as I have mek gunz is that I place the grots behind or to the side of the gun and just use them as wound counters for the gun itself
I feel like a referee should have stepped in and made a ruling in this situation.
The sole reason these models exist is due to them being aesthetically flavourful. Therefor if they're in the way of game interactions, they should just be moved somewhere else or taken off the board if it gets too crowded.
It'd be cooler if the crew could shoot but also have individual wounds with the clause that if the crew die then the gun ceases to be functional. Also make the crew mandatory and can be targeted.
I think the crew is supposed to be BEHIND then cannon not in front of it, just saying..
Issues like these arise when winning is more important for you then actually having a spine and being a functional social being..
First person i thought of when watching this was Mani Cheema, whether it's him or not i've heard plenty of tournament organisers/players give their story about how toxic him and his team can be, embarrassment to the game and a shame people who only see him on his youtube channel get different impressions
This encapsulates the local 40k scene here perfectly and is why I haven't played competitive 40k for a long time. This game was never designed to be played competitively.
Stories like this are why I will never play in a major tournament. Using placement of the crew models to gain an advantage is cheating.
Are you kidding? GW has been at war with their customers for years. Somewhere in the Eye of Terror Corax frowns a little less.
In fantasy you just ignore the crew. Simple thing for GW to add
They ran out of time and they couldn't come to an agreement on the final score. One was especially being a douche so the TO said screw this and gave both of them a big fat goose egg. Kinda of messed up for the player than wasn't really being a douche but since they couldn't come to an agreement both of them had to be penalized. I suppose it could have been ruled a draw but once again the douchery came into play. The judges weren't going to have any of that.
The artillery rule was just a small part of that, not the sole reason for the result.
One of these rules, where everyone knows how it should work (the decorative guys doesn't really matter) but few morons exploit it because.
Mani bitching and moaning about mekgunz not beeing chargeable beeing bullshit and not as intended Also Mani plays flamers in EC /Facepalm
Mani put Tzeentch daemons in his Emperor’s Children army. And won all over the place. He’s a cheaty pants.
This is absurd. I am a rules lawyer and like to say "the rules make the game", but the spirit of the rule > rules as written. People like this ruin the game.
Who were the people in question?
the crew is the gun until the gun is destroyed. this seems like the rules are absolutely broken
Seems to me the douchie player placing them in such a way should be nut punched. That’s a just a shitty way to play that model. Anyone that has any knowledge of gun crews know that the gun crew man’s the gun. Ie the set up in such a manner to indicate such manning. SMH that people cannot play honorably