Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and journalist David Zweig discuss his role in breaking the Twitter Files, government censorship in society, the extent to which lockdowns were effective, how they affected children in particular, and how one renegade church would not bow to overzealous regulation.
David Zweig is a writer and journalist, with multiple books published, such as “Invisibles” in 2014 and the upcoming “Abundance of Caution” that centers on the effects of the COVID-19 response on schools and children. He was also one of the journalists who helped break the Twitter Files, focusing on the suppression of information to the satisfaction of the U.S. government and the public health establishment.
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(0:00) Coming up
(1:16) Intro
(1:51) The role of the media
(3:25) How Zweig joined the Twitter Files team
(5:02) Parameters of the investigation
(6:00) Determining relevance
(9:39) Why Zweig chose to tackle lockdowns
(14:13) Having solid stories turned down
(18:44) Bari Weiss, willing to listen
(21:53) What the suppression of voices on Twitter means
(26:23) Public trust in vaccines before the pandemic
(30:45) The biological parallel
(33:00) Overt focus on the pathogen left us blind to the side effects of our response
(35:43) “Stay in your lane”
(30:42) The problem of having too many options
(41:58) Why we have natural, inalienable rights
(47:55) Early data that was completely ignored
(49:52) Weighing risk against value
(53:45) An astonishing lack of curiosity
(54:40) The evidence based hierarchy: where expert opinion ranks
(57:30) The censorship at Twitter exposed
(1:00:25) Some censorship is not unreasonable
(1:01:03) Psychology of troll behavior
(1:03:09) The few can corrupt the whole
(1:05:22)The job of a journalist is NOT to draw the line
(1:07:26) Authoritarian information control
(1:13:43) Confusing a model with actual data
(1:14:52) The error in “techno-solutionism”
(1:18:07) The places that stayed closed and those left outside
(1:22:22) Critical well being dispensed over assumptions
(1:25:10) Asking questions makes YOU the pathogen
(1:27:08) Spying on church members, millions in fines
(1:31:50) Rapidly diminishing returns across time
(1:33:30) The truly affected are those who lost their support systems
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Around End of March 2020 I heard Ioannidis "A fiasco in the making". From then it was totally clear that official policy was desastrous garbage. Day after day it became more and more clear it was a complete hoax. The media and politicians should go to jail for that and most scientists feeding that craze should be denied future funding.
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Did this guest snort a bunch of coke before the interview?
I like this guys enthusiasm and ethics.
I would be hesitant to dismiss some of the more outlandish claims as ‘crazy conspiracy theories’ given how far from the truth the picture painted by the establishment has been.
Micro chips without evidence, fair enough, outlandish. But I would be open to seeing any such evidence.
Once a source of information has proven to be deliberately deceptive, dishonest and outright lying, it must be dismissed, from a logic perspective.
If anything, these politicians, institutions and organisations have proven their willingness to give no regard for safety if it gets in the way of their profit and power grabbing.
They have openly admitted not testing for transmission, having instructed all the talking heads to parrot the line “safe and effective” when it is neither.
I would out anything past that filthy parasite, Bill Gates.
The reality that is presented to you online is not accurate. Go outside and interact in your community and the world. That is real.
David seems a really lovely person, and his honesty is compelling. Well done and steady on!
Anyone remember that time Bari Weiss went on Rogan and called Tulsi a "Assad toady"? (Without really knowing what toady meant)
I worry that this man is nothing more than the clean up crew to the greatest crime in human history. Whether he be naïve and unwitting enough to get "published" in the Atlantic or actively admitting only the banal non-controversial issues about "the elites" opportunistic reaction to an artificial problem.
The questions now are way deeper than should the schools be closed argument-bait from 2021
I hoped to see instructions to doctors to fraudulently change cause of deaths to COVID, and the many lies on the safety and efficiency of the vaxx, plus the cancel imposed to those of us who shared news from prominent doctors on hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin!
Anyone with a brain (real experts) were silenced and threaten even with job losses. That's what kept them from being more interested in being more vocal about their opinion. In Totalitarian regimes the scholars and intellects were the first to be silenced usually by death. Were not there yet but if we keep falling the socialist path, we will be there sooner rather than later
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals." – C.S. Lewis
These busy bodies need held accountable so it doesnt happen again. If it does, they will make it worse.
Mortem tyrannis.
It was the same in South Africa. They targeted our church tremendously because our Pastor were outspoken and he has a global platform every Sunday. They would send health officials to come and spy what we are doing and when they couldn't find something, they would check the expiration dates on the fire extinguisher. At one point they've send the police and miltary one Sunday armed with AK47's to arrest our pastors. All of this, while political parties have rallies with thousands attending.
Jordan- here is WHY the liberals gravitated to restrict… because they came to power under Biden and wanted to support political power. Think of this: If Trump had won 2020 and continued to require mask/vaccines, you can bet the sides would have been flipped.
Next time someone tells us to ruin our lives to prevent some danger, real or not, we all will ignore them. A cure worse than the disease is nonsense worthy of ridicule. Who cares if you stifled COVID-19 if you're already dead in every meaningful sense?
The claim David makes at the 1 hour mark about Twitter and other social media giants filtering the content so that their websites aren't littered with pornographic images and offensive content is not so true anymore. I can't scroll my FB feed without being bombarded with adds for sex toys and adult themed comics and LGBT cross overs/ fan art that is also inapropriate. No matter how many times I choose the option to have FB block that stuff from my feed, an alternate source of the same filth finds it's way into my feed.
Interesting. I seem to remember a lot of people dying due to church gatherings.
The surveillance of the churches is a peephole into what is coming with the 15 minute cities. If you don't know what that is, I urge everyone to look into it and speak up against it. It is already being worked out in Toronto, Ottawa, Edmonton, Vancouver, in Leeds and Oxford in England, etc. March 2020 was a prequel of what's coming.
All g7 counties are owned by the world economic forum and are bringing about the 4th Industrial Revolution using Covid 19 as the excuse. sources are here: Covid 19 and the great reset, list of young global leaders and members, build back better, London 2012 summer Olympics opening, agenda 21, the great reset Calvin Robinson, false alarm climate crisis Peter Robinson, a great new contract for health and healthcare davos 2021, resetting geopolitics davos 2021, transforming food systems and land use. All of these sources are on YouTube. Watch Biden rides the dragon.
blah right. Totalitarians tatty twisted people who should have known better, but caved to BIG BROTHER. I like you guys, but you got lost in the narrative. The gov did it. covid shmovid.
I love the “door vs wall” analogy and I’ve also thought it perplexing to see the Liberal political sphere become so “pro-wall.” I see that as a symptom of a “1984” style of brainwashing where the meanings of freedom, strength, and love have been reversed and our words systematically redefined.
Wow, a half a million deaths doesn’t move you?
Why do they always have fa9 lisps and methhead energy
Thank you so much for mentioning that the churches were shut, while the casinos, liquor stores and malls stayed open!!!!
There are a LOT of people, especially in the Canadian government, who want to minimize the effect and absolute hypocrisy of that decision.
The fact that the main stream media refuses to cover the Twitter files in any kind of depth tells the whole story. Because people who complained about being shadow banned or outright banned are conspiracy theorists who must be ignored.
Now we have proof that the governments were intervening – basically, the conspiracy theory is now validated as true – and no one I know (who watches CNN etc) knows anything about it.
Worse… they don’t care. CNN etc know that people don’t want to hear that they were misled and denied information so that the governments could justify insane expenditures and damaging mandates.
Hey… where is the normal government mandated warning I usually get on videos that mention c19???
I’m scared to be hopeful… but mostly because I’m Canadian and they just passed C11 and are still trying to figure out how to disarm legal gun owners. Plus WHO just gave themselves more powers…
A little too early to be overly optimistic, but thank you. ❤
Jordan, I’m an avid follower. However, I’m a stickler for language, as you are. Please do not say “general concessus “ again. As that is redundant. Concusses is enough.
“Most interventions don’t work” that is so important to understand!
In parts of Britain they as good as locked people in their homes. A lot of working class Brits live in much smaller houses and flats with no or very small gardens/balconies. They closed the sporting events venues, churches, public parks, gyms etc and prevented movement between neighborhoods. They basically locked people in the cells of their tiny homes indefinitely. My wife still has relatives in the UK and two of her aunts died during covid, not of covid but of health complications as a direct result of being locked in their homes.
I can identify with David's "flip" of his point of view. I always considered myself liberal to left in my worldview and disagreed strongly with conservatives on many things social and political. I am now conservative apparently even though the main core of my moral and ethical beliefs haven't changed by much. That's because the left itself has changed, they shifted from being champions of the little guy to being part of an establishment that only wants to protect its own interests. My shift happened a year before covid when after years of defending the left online it eventually dawned on me that the left I was defending didn't exist anymore and probably hadn't existed in North America for many decades. I only moved to North America in later life and where I grew up I associated the left with genuine working class activists, who were of those disadvantaged communities and fought for those communities to get basic amenities from what was then a very right wing establishment. The modern left is the establishment and it doesn't give a damn about the working class. I now find myself between the two camps, but agreeing with more so called conservative voices because they are the only ones calling out the authoritarian tendencies of the neoliberal establishment. Like David i also abhor the far left and far right who might differ in rhetoric, but are the same in practice and both have lead to the deaths of hundreds of millions of people.
I’ve been following Jordan since he first came to public attention over the compelled speech debacle and considered him an important voice. But…
He is a terrible interviewer. STOP INTERRUPTING YOUR GUESTS!!!
It’s as if he really isn’t listening to what the guest is saying, and breaks into the flow of what they are saying, Constantly!!
It’s not only annoying, it prevents us learning what the guest has got to say.
54:10
"miracle of paradox"?
The liberals (facists) are in power and power corrupts. The label no longer fits the group as they are far from liberal having come to power.
How do you define a weed?.
54:50
"astonishing lack of curiosity"
They are the establishment and no longer the resistance.
What did the majority of all of the Bolshevik's have in common Dr. Peterson?
Covid felt more like a line in the sand separating the extremely wealthy from the rest more so than anything. A pure greed and power play.
Elon Musk is a hero
"Stay home save lives" is not unrelated to "the world is overpopulated" or even "kill yourself save lives". Its an anti-human idea. I was very disturbed and depressed hearing members of my own family say they would wear masks "forever" if they needed to, without good evidence that masks were a net good.
This is a reporter in a sea of sociology professors
Mr. Zweig is very persuasive.
Words out of my head..I could never articulate to this level. I wish I could share this with so much of my family that fell into this trap…that now they act to like they forget. But they'd never donate this much head space to information. Just listening. I think many have allowed themselves to become mentally limited to the sensationalized partisan television news format….bright, loud, word salad, pandering, digital running strip s of Wallstreet numbers and headlines from other news stories and professional sport stats….the overloaded stupifying casino like tactics of the modern mainstream media.